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Kaleb
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Posted - 2003.10.17 23:11:00 -
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When Playboy was selling their 4th spot for the Apocolypse BP copies, Heff sold that 4th spot twice (once to me, once to another corp), and luckily we received our bp THE VERY DAY copies were to become limited (we BARELY received the 5th copy). I was told numerous times they would not refund our money to boot.
Just wanted to share that.
Burn.
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Data Loss
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Posted - 2003.10.17 23:24:00 -
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well if what the GM says is true he lied to try to get stuff for free. bad thing to do
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Rhiannan
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Posted - 2003.10.17 23:32:00 -
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When Playboy was selling their 4th spot for the Apocolypse BP copies, Heff sold that 4th spot twice (once to me, once to another corp), and luckily we received our bp THE VERY DAY copies were to become limited (we BARELY received the 5th copy). I was told numerous times they would not refund our money to boot.
Just wanted to share that.
Burn.
He lied to most people that went into the BP "deals". You know the part where PB said "We'll contribute the majority share for the BP" ? Wrong. As Kaleb has nicely proven, he simply oversold on some of the slots, and got PB's "share" of the money that way. Effectively PB obtained original Moa, Rupture, Thorax, Maller, Apoc & Mega BP's by just using other people and their money. This is just one of the many deceptions from him which i'm quite happy to share now that he tried to screw me over OOG.
But hey, i'm just a lying piece of $hit 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.18 00:17:00 -
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No offence Rhiannen but anybody with half a brain must have realised Playboy were doing that in anycase.
Its the "obvious" thing to do and any business-savy corp would have done the same. So long as they fulfilled their obligations as promised at the end of it then its no big deal.
You put X money in you get X money out.
What happens to the isk in-between isn't really a cause for "cocnern" and certianly not one for any sort of outrage.
As far aas Im aware Playboy were not saying that any isk received would only be used in good charitable causes within minmatar space using slave-free labour..
Thus - keep the "Character-assassinations" off the forums please.
Same as I asked Heff Im asking you... same as i told him, it only makes you look bad.
Your choice, its your rep.
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Rhiannan
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Posted - 2003.10.18 01:34:00 -
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Fair point Morkt. I'm not going after him anyways, he's done a good enough job of that himself. And if you check in the original thread I stuck to what I said and kept quiet after I'd revealed to everyone what happened. I was just pointing out not so much that they did this, but that they made such a big deal of all "their" hard work lost, when it wasn't their work at all that got them the BP's, unless you're counting the 8 jumps they had to make to pickup the BP's as work.
Anyhow, i'll stfu now 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.18 01:51:00 -
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Rhiannen I think all that goes without saying... anybody who requires any of "that stuff" highlighting is either not going to listen or doesn't care .. thus.. again..
a bit pointless.
So - how many offers had you have on the BPs yet?
(Nobody dare say they hadn't thought that.. ya know me im not afraid to ask...)
and what was the final list of BPs?
(Feel free to tell me to foxtrot-oscar, or drop me an eve-mail  )
/em waits for the wrath of the sally-army brigade to descend from above..
Hey Im a Caldari.. what can I say?
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Rhiannan
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Posted - 2003.10.18 02:01:00 -
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Rhiannen I think all that goes without saying... anybody who requires any of "that stuff" highlighting is either not going to listen or doesn't care .. thus.. again..
a bit pointless.
So - how many offers had you have on the BPs yet?
(Nobody dare say they hadn't thought that.. ya know me im not afraid to ask...)
and what was the final list of BPs?
(Feel free to tell me to foxtrot-oscar, or drop me an eve-mail )
/em waits for the wrath of the sally-army brigade to descend from above..
Hey Im a Caldari.. what can I say?
LMAO
Apocalypse Original
Megathron Original
Moa Original
Thorax Original
Rupture Original
Maller Original
Iteron V Original
Happy now?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.18 02:08:00 -
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Did I tell you we run a cosmetic surgery clinic? ... include genetic modification, alternate clone accounts, all sorts...
a whole new "character" without any effective loss of skill points...
its surprisingly popular.... ask The Mole from TTi.. ah, though that might be difficult seeing as TTi still don't know who he was and I'm not saying 
"Start a whole new life in the off world colonies..."
ah damn.. wrong advert..
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Rhiannan
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Posted - 2003.10.18 02:10:00 -
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Sold 
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LORD STEALTH
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Posted - 2003.10.18 02:29:00 -
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just goes to show you, watch who your dealing with.
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Rath Amon
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Posted - 2003.10.18 03:06:00 -
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Is anyone really going to deal with this thief?
A better question is: why can people still get away with theft with no penalties? This thief's character should be in jail somewhere for a long, long time (with no access to assets).
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Cattraknoff
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Posted - 2003.10.18 03:21:00 -
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Is anyone really going to deal with this thief?
A better question is: why can people still get away with theft with no penalties? This thief's character should be in jail somewhere for a long, long time (with no access to assets).
yet anoyher dumb idea, they'd just use alts
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Rhiannan
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Posted - 2003.10.18 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: Rhiannan on 18/10/2003 03:24:22
Technically i'm not the thief. I didn't take the BP's from PB
(Sorry, couldn't resist)
But if it makes you feel any better, i've got about 10-15 people on my ass trying to KOS me wherever I go, so yes, effectively I am in jail...
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nails
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Posted - 2003.10.18 03:45:00 -
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what tangled webs we weave.
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Samsson
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Posted - 2003.10.18 12:25:00 -
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Is that all I was hoping for a lynch Mob
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Angry Rod
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Posted - 2003.10.18 15:09:00 -
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The Angry Mob is always available :)
We're angry
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.18 15:59:00 -
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""Start a whole new life in the off world colonies..."
ah damn.. wrong advert..
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Aye; that one turned out to be a work of Amarrian Ministry of Labour, and aimed at potential Minmatar candidates... didn't it? o.O
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.18 16:09:00 -
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/em acts innocent
Those weren't our transport ships btw... they just looked like them.
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DrPRoberts
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:44:00 -
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Heh I like j0sephine much more now that she's got that sig I wonder what that says about me...
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.10.18 19:05:00 -
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May i ask you whats the reason of this topic? what did Heff do? (i dont like him either, but thats only cuz he acted like a total *)
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.10.18 19:09:00 -
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I don't see what the problem is, you knew what going on in the game, and he didn't hide anything. There's no point in bad mouthing him.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.10.19 11:30:00 -
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I still dont know whats going on... O_o share the love
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.19 11:36:00 -
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AFAIK, Heff didn't have full control of who had what hangar access.
Someone stole all the blueprints out of PE's hangars.
Heff realised his mistake and concocted a grand conspiracy theory about an exploit being used to dump BP's into your own hangar if you hare a factory manager etc and ended up slandering the GM's etc etc.
In the end, Heff bull****ted the world of Eve in order to mask his own stupidity and to try tricking the GM's into giving him his BP's back.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Ezra
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Posted - 2003.10.19 21:31:00 -
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AFAIK, Heff didn't have full control of who had what hangar access.
Someone stole all the blueprints out of PE's hangars.
Heff realised his mistake and concocted a grand conspiracy theory about an exploit being used to dump BP's into your own hangar if you hare a factory manager etc and ended up slandering the GM's etc etc.
In the end, Heff bull****ted the world of Eve in order to mask his own stupidity and to try tricking the GM's into giving him his BP's back.
Heff concocted it?
If you bothered to read the original thread, Heff knew nothing about that exploit until OTHER people (Reputable people, such as Datsevlu from Techell) told him about it. And CCP acknowledged the existence of the exploit in a news item 3-4 days afterwards. Corpmates of mine have independently confirmed aforementioned exploit. It is NOT a conspiracy theory, the exploit exists (or at least existed when Heff's blueprints were stolen.)
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.10.19 21:38:00 -
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Regardless of whether the exploit existed, it's not what happened.
If someone has a gun and kills you, does that mean they neccessarily used the gun?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.19 21:44:00 -
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I wasn't saying he concocted the exploit.
I'm saying he concocted a story using the exploit as the reason for him losing the bp's.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.10.19 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Drethen Nerevitas on 19/10/2003 21:48:45
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What Josh said.
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Balisk
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Posted - 2003.10.20 01:32:00 -
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I am so happy that people are begining to realize the evilness of Playboy. I heard once that they employed an alt of a known scammer into their corp, and pulled some nasty scams. in the end, heff blamed it all on the scammer, and booted him (however he knew what was going on). similarly, He lost all his bps and tried to blame his mistake on an exploit. I hate scammers/ore theives, but at least they are known for what they did. but Heff and his corp always tries to play the innocent, which is an out right lie. He should be banned for his last stupid scamming effort
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Heff
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Posted - 2003.10.20 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Heff on 20/10/2003 19:02:33
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When Playboy was selling their 4th spot for the Apocolypse BP copies, Heff sold that 4th spot twice (once to me, once to another corp), and luckily we received our bp THE VERY DAY copies were to become limited (we BARELY received the 5th copy). I was told numerous times they would not refund our money to boot.
Kaleb, we did not sell you any slot. We had a blueprint copy available and you bought it. If you didnÆt want it, you didnÆt have to buy it. In the end, you got an infinite run BP for ridiculously cheap. What did you pay? Maybe 150 million? If you want a refund, feel free to bring your BP back and I will refund your money right now.
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I heard once that they employed an alt of a known scammer into their corp, and pulled some nasty scams. in the end, heff blamed it all on the scammer, and booted him (however he knew what was going on).
If you have any specific examples or names, I would love to hear them. You may remember MMBMA from these forums. We did receive word that we he had an alt of his in our group and we booted him immediately. Look at his posts and tell me where he says he worked a scam through Playboy. Or find anyone else who did as it would be the first I heard about it.
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He lost all his bps and tried to blame his mistake on an exploit.
We were told by very senior officials at CCP that our BPs were likely lost because of an exploit. We didnÆt make it up. If CCP wants to give me permission to show the screenshots of the chatlog I have that says so, I would be happy to post them.
If ANYONE feels that we ripped them off in ANY way, come forward now. Never have we delivered anything less than we promised for anything weÆve ever sold. If you have a contrary example, speak up. More than anything, I'm sure everyone wants to take their turn punching the punching bag... a successful corp gets dinged and everyone wants a shot. We can take it.
Heff
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Johnsus
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Posted - 2003.10.20 19:20:00 -
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Heff, don't waste your valuable time explaining yourself to these folks. Some will have angst, some will move on with the game and continue to have fun (grudges are for losers).
I too read the posts about the BPs, and because I have an ounce of sense about me, I can see in the posts clearly that those involved were learning things >as they went along<, kinda like solving any crime.
If it turned out to be a thief (which it appears it has) and not an exploit, so what? Initially, is it better to blame your friends and partners, or to be unable to imagine the horrific atrocities they are capable of? Backstabbing, two-timing, thieves. Who'da thunk?
Even your RL friends will rob you blind if it's in their best interest. Terrible day when "Trust No 1" is our motto...
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.20 22:30:00 -
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If it turned out to be a thief (which it appears it has) and not an exploit, so what?
So he led hundreds of people on a witch hunt against CCP and the "exploit" all based on a lie - that he and Dora were the only ones with hangar access. Why would he make this claim so many times with knowledge of the third party unless he was purposefully trying to cover it up in a shameful attempt to get his BPs back.
Plenty of corporations have been ruined by theft. Heff just tried to beat the system with a huge lie, and I think he's a shameless ***** for leading us all on and "gaining our support" in his charade.
Veruna Caseti
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.20 22:35:00 -
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If it turned out to be a thief (which it appears it has) and not an exploit, so what?
So he led hundreds of people on a witch hunt against CCP and the "exploit" all based on a lie - that he and Dora were the only ones with hangar access. Why would he make this claim so many times with knowledge of the third party unless he was purposefully trying to cover it up in a shameful attempt to get his BPs back.
Plenty of corporations have been ruined by theft. Heff just tried to beat the system with a huge lie, and I think he's a shameless ***** for leading us all on and "gaining our support" in his charade.
The only problem with your well thought out tirade, Veruna, is when a CCP representative told me (and any one that read the CSM log) that only 2 people had access to the hangar.
With that happening well after Heff posted the thread, it's kind of difficult to automatically reverse heading and say "Heff lied".
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.20 23:11:00 -
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The only problem with your well thought out tirade, Veruna, is when a CCP representative told me (and any one that read the CSM log) that only 2 people had access to the hangar.
CCP aren't omniscient, nor are their logs as we all know. The representative you talked with was probably a victim of the same lie that everyone else on these boards was. Just goes to show how effective Heff was in pulling the wool over everyone's eyes and starting a mass hysteria hoping it would result in reimbursement of BPs he lost "fair and square" - or in the same manner as many other corporations.
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With that happening well after Heff posted the thread, it's kind of difficult to automatically reverse heading and say "Heff lied".
Heff himself openly admitted knowledge of the third party. He also revoked hangar access to them after the BPs were stolen but before coming here to post his thread.
How much more evidence do you need that it was an orchestrated attempt to receive a succesful reimbursement where so many others have failed? Instead of just coming forward and saying "we were robbed" like the others, Heff decided to try and avoid becoming another statistic by making it look like an exploit was at fault.
I think it's disgusting that he let it go on as long as he did, with all of us supporting him and wishing him well, and talking smack about CCP who all along were looking for something which obviously wasn't there (while we blamed them for taking too long to find it).
The whole thing stinks to high heaven, and I for one find myself finally not feeling bad for a corporation that's going down in flames because of a theft.
Veruna Caseti
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Heff
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Posted - 2003.10.21 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Heff on 21/10/2003 00:45:16
Veruna, you really don't know squat about the matter at all. Any longwinded remarks you make only push your point further from the truth.
We were told we had a thief in our group AND that the thief likely used an exploit. We believed what we were told.
If you have a problem with that, we can settle it outside 
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.21 01:37:00 -
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Heff I don't give a **** what you were told by CCP. What's important is what you knew, and the way in which you strategically left out certain pieces of knowledge to drum up a massive 20+ page hysterical rant against CCP and the support staff who were trying to help you in an obvious attempt to retain the blueprints you lost.
From the start your claim that only two people had access and neither committed the crime was the sole reason most people immediately jumped to your side and egged CCP on to reimburse you.
Either you or Dora had to know that a third party had access (since you subsequently removed said access) - and obviously since neither of you did it - by the simplest of logic you knew that this was probably the party involved in the theft.
So why would you let the thread grow to 15+ pages without a single mention of this third party and the possibility that they were the legitimate culprit?
Maybe, just maybe you used these boards and everyone here in an underhanded attempt to pressure CCP into reimbursing you for items you shouldn't have been reimbursed for?
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We were told we had a thief in our group AND that the thief likely used an exploit.
Precisely. "Likely" means no confirmation - yet you used the "only 2 people" line to make it look like it HAD to be an exploit so everyone here would give you a shoulder to cry on and join you in badmouthing CCP who were already going out of their way to help you.
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We believed what we were told.
So did we. 
Unfortunately what we were told was 2/3rds of the story - just enough to get us all to post how bad we felt for you and how angry we were with CCP for not giving you back your blueprints.
Veruna Caseti
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.10.21 02:01:00 -
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Have to agree with Veruna Caseti on this issue... Heff knew that at the time of the theft, 3 people had access, but he repeatedly stated it was only 2... |
H3ff
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Posted - 2003.10.21 09:21:00 -
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FFS heff you where scammed, you lied to CCP to try and get your BP's back.
Take it like a man and stop whinging, declare war and fight it out.
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Posted - 2003.10.21 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Heff on 21/10/2003 00:45:16
Veruna, you really don't know squat about the matter at all. Any longwinded remarks you make only push your point further from the truth.
We were told we had a thief in our group AND that the thief likely used an exploit. We believed what we were told.
If you have a problem with that, we can settle it outside
So sad to see you still beating the drum like this Heff.
The fact you are still trying to weasel out of it just lowers your reputation further. (If that's at all possible)
Wouldn't recommend going outside with you either, if you lost you'd probably try to get the other person banned. :(
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Johnsus
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Posted - 2003.10.24 19:48:00 -
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~shrug~ Veruna (and others)... it's obvious you have some personal grudges or vendettas against Heff/Dora and/or Playboy, by your long-winded "See, the more crap I spew, the more true my misleading, misinformation becomes" posts...
Maybe, since you have so much time on your hands, you can chronologize all the posts from Heff, Dora, members of PB, and the theives, and corolate them to the CSM logs and evemails, and you can have your "case" won once and for all.
Until then, you are a speculator -- just like everyone else not involved. Good days to you. Move on with your life and stop trying to slander someone elses rep to suit your own agendas.
Johnsus - CEO
"When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me."
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