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Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.12.09 15:46:10 -
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I should probably heed this advice myself to be honest, but with the events and information that has become available, I have been seeing people grasping at straws to try and connect them. I would like to mention the scientific axium: correlation does not equal causation, and like to share the related bit of wisdom to not try to hard to connect things together lest you start seeing patterns that don't actually exist.
Here's what we know of:
A couple of months ago a number of sleeper (or at least sleeper occupied/controlled, if not sleeper constructed) facilities have begun appearing and they seem to house a variety of materials. They also seem to have been damaged by some unknown force which has made them visible when they were previously cloaked.
As of today, sleeper ships have begun appearing in known space. So far the only actions they have taken have been to warp from point to point in a system and perform scans. These ships also appear to have shields while the sleepers found in their own space lack shields and are protected solely by armor
A number of other unidentified structures have shown up across known space. They appear to be cloaked in some fashion but the cloak is imperfect and they have become valid targets for warp in, but actual observation remains limited and no details have been gleaned yet.
A number of weeks ago an object, now dubbed Caroline's Star appeared in space visible across new Eden which suggest FTL implications, and the location has been triangulated to the UUA-F4 region, but no further data has been gleaned about it. it MAY resemble a similar anomaly that appeared a few years ago.
A member of the Sisters of Eve has come forward to reveal the location of a colonized system known as Thera that seems to have suffered an accident. it is claimed the SoE have wormhole generation capabilities, but Caroline's star has been interfering with them, but claims have not been corroborated. The nature of what has happened is still being sorted, but we do know that a number of planets have been shattered and three stations destroyed. The SoE also seem to be carying out some research related to Sleepers and talocan.
Some of these events may be linked, but not necessarily, and the research SoE has been doing in Thera may or may not be related to whatever incident happened there. We can surmise all we want, but without facts, we can;t prove much of anything. |
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.09 22:59:18 -
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Who knows, if these sleepers are good or bad. But what we can know for sure, God sent them. Maybe they will bring us destruction and punishment for heathens. Maybe they will bring us love and blessing.
Anyway, I think we all should get to them and touch their rays, they are completely harmless, and it might be a blessing!
And I would really like to hear official position of Theology Council about this.
Please don't attack and don't kill them while we don't get official statement!
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Tyrel Toov
Eplison Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.12.09 23:13:54 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:Who knows, if these sleepers are good or bad. But what we can know for sure, God sent them. Maybe they will bring us destruction and punishment for heathens. Maybe they will bring us love and blessing.
Anyway, I think we all should get to them and touch their rays, they are completely harmless, and it might be a blessing!
And I would really like to hear official position of Theology Council about this.
Please don't attack and don't kill them while we don't get official statement!
I vote we do the exact oppsite of this.... with extreme prejudice.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
946
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Posted - 2014.12.09 23:29:45 -
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The sleepers have been highly aggressive when encountered in wormhole space and they have violated our borders for the purpose of their own surveillance and analysis. That will not be tolerated by Amarr and I highly doubt any other sovereign nation would permit such either.
I have no intention of going to wormholes or other places to hunt sleepers, but any I see in Amarr space will be considered a threat unless I receive different orders from my superiors. Which I doubt will happen. The sleepers have never communicated with humans even after years of sharing space with wormholers, I doubt they'll start now.
Unknown entities conducting illegal and unauthorized surveillance of our space can in no capacity ever be considered "harmless". |
Nolocarbo Random
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.09 23:31:33 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:I vote we do the exact oppsite of this.... with extreme prejudice.
I'll take the middle road. I'm willing to coexist peacefully, as long as they are too.
"It's amazing how much mature wisdom resembles being too tired." ~ Robert Heinlein
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Sakul Aubaris
IX Legio Hispana Aquila Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2014.12.09 23:42:41 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote: I vote we do the exact oppsite of this.... with extreme prejudice.
I agree because of two reasons.
The first: We all ready know, those sleepers are not peacyful. They all ready have given us their "last and only" warning. This are preparations for a strike against humanity and we need to disturb them!
Second: If a religious fanatic tells you how to do something, all ways do it the other way around! |
Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:21:05 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Unknown entities conducting illegal and unauthorized surveillance of our space can in no capacity ever be considered "harmless". Ah, Amarrians. We violated their borders and everyone was fine with it. Now they finally noticed us and violated our borders and everyone looses their mind.
As long as they don't shoot civilians, I'm fine with them. Perhaps we will be finally able to establish a contact and share some knowledge.
Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
946
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:36:53 -
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Don't do pull this "Amarrians" ****. Every single sovereign empire would react the same way to unidentified foreign intruders conducting unannounced surveillance in their space. Most nations would consider that a prelude to war, and react accordingly. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
714
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:51:52 -
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I think perhaps the point is that we, not just Amarrians, but all capsuleers already invaded their sovereign space and even attacked them. For them now to come into our space seems more of a reaction than premeditated aggression.
-Eran |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
946
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Posted - 2014.12.10 01:01:58 -
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And my point is that it doesn't matter if it's proaction or reaction. Who acted first is irrelevant. Whether or not it is instigated by capsuleer actions in the wormholes (and that is what it primarily is, capsuleers, as the Empires haven't had official presence in the wormholes in years), it is still a violation of our sovereignty.
"We invaded them first" is not a valid reason whatsoever to let them do as they will in our space, without formal negotiations preceeding it. And those do not and are not likely to happen. |
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Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
714
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Posted - 2014.12.10 02:14:14 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:And my point is that it doesn't matter if it's proaction or reaction. Who acted first is irrelevant. Whether or not it is instigated by capsuleer actions in the wormholes (and that is what it primarily is, capsuleers, as the empires haven't had official presence in the wormholes in years), it is still a violation of our sovereignty.
"We invaded them first" is not a valid reason whatsoever to let them do as they will in our space, without formal negotiations preceeding it. And those do not and are not likely to happen.
Some strange double-standards there. Also, I wouldn't consider scanning things, as if searching for something lost, to be that frightening especially considering how many thousands of sleeper drones we've destroyed and sites and relics we've brought back to K-space. People are beginning to realize the Sleepers aren't as mindless as they assumed, and perhaps that's the most frightening thing about it, perhaps our actions do have consequences.
-Eran |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2014.12.10 02:39:16 -
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I say, observe them first, determine what exactly they are up to, then decide whether we want to shoot them.
These drones are operating under a set protocol. Someone is controlling them. We should observe and determine who sent them and why and for what purpose are they scanning things. Only after we determine hostile actions do we actually destroy them.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Sakul Aubaris
IX Legio Hispana Aquila Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:27:35 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:I say, observe them first, determine what exactly they are up to, then decide whether we want to shoot them.
These drones are operating under a set protocol. Someone is controlling them. We should observe and determine who sent them and why and for what purpose are they scanning things. Only after we determine hostile actions do we actually destroy them.
For me, this are Scouts scanning all our infrastructure for strategic informations in preparation of an initial strike against humanity, maybe an invasion, maybe just checking witch targets are worth drestroying and obliterate them all in one strike. I've found some of them scanning a Customs Office in Branch the employees told me they allready scanned the planetary colony. I destroyed them just to make sure, they don't collect more strategic data.
We should remember the Sleeper Messege we received and what might follow...
Sleeper Message
They don't have any peacyfully attempts. This is an revenge campain!
And what makes me as scared as it gets, they don't even try to hide themselves! This is not the behavior of someone fighting an enemy who could fight back. This is the behavior of someone who says "now its my turn and there is nothing you can do about it"
The empires can't defend themselves from Nations incursions, how should they against an enemy like the sleepers? Have you ever fight against some of them? Your shields are melting in their fire, your amor ripped apard from their pure destructive power and it feels like your ships structure does not exist. We on the other side can't realy harm their amor without the help of capitalships as support.
And now remember what the message says:
Quote:We are deeply disappointed with what you are doing to our children.
We were patient and passive for too long - that changes now.
We just faced their children! I prepare for the worst and you should do so too. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
948
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:50:40 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:And my point is that it doesn't matter if it's proaction or reaction. Who acted first is irrelevant. Whether or not it is instigated by capsuleer actions in the wormholes (and that is what it primarily is, capsuleers, as the empires haven't had official presence in the wormholes in years), it is still a violation of our sovereignty.
"We invaded them first" is not a valid reason whatsoever to let them do as they will in our space, without formal negotiations preceeding it. And those do not and are not likely to happen. Some strange double-standards there. Also, I wouldn't consider scanning things, as if searching for something lost, to be that frightening especially considering how many thousands of sleeper drones we've destroyed and sites and relics we've brought back to K-space. People are beginning to realize the Sleepers aren't as mindless as they assumed, and perhaps that's the most frightening thing about it, perhaps our actions do have consequences. -Eran
I see no double-standards. I fully expect that when we do the same to another, that that other would defend themselves against us. Did I ever say they should have allowed us to go about their space peacefully? Did I ever question their hostile response to capsuleers in wormholes? No. When you invade someone, it is expected that they will fight back.
Now we're the ones being invaded, and whether or not we invaded them first is irrelevant because this is our space under potential attack. And if you don't consider scanning things to be that threatening then you really, really don't seem to understand the importance of surveillance and intelligence gathering in prosecution of war. Do you go into combat without d-scan, without scouts, without setting up forward operating bases in enemy territory? I do not care whether they are mindless or not. What I care about is that they are in Amarr space, conducting secret surveillance and constructing hidden infrastructure.
Actions have consequences? Yes. That goes for everyone. Whether or not we are the instigators, they have entered our space and we shall defend ourselves against that intrusion. If anything, the previous actions undertaken by wormholers only mean that we should be even more prepared to defend ourselves, for the enemy has every reason to want to invade in retaliation.
If you hit someone, that does not mean you are obligated to let them hit you back. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2014.12.10 11:58:30 -
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Sakul Aubaris wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:I say, observe them first, determine what exactly they are up to, then decide whether we want to shoot them.
These drones are operating under a set protocol. Someone is controlling them. We should observe and determine who sent them and why and for what purpose are they scanning things. Only after we determine hostile actions do we actually destroy them. For me, this are Scouts scanning all our infrastructure for strategic informations in preparation of an initial strike against humanity, maybe an invasion, maybe just checking witch targets are worth drestroying and obliterate them all in one strike. I've found some of them scanning a Customs Office in Branch the employees told me they allready scanned the planetary colony. I destroyed them just to make sure, they don't collect more strategic data. We should remember the Sleeper Messege we received and what might follow... Sleeper MessageThey don't have any peacyfully attempts. This is an revenge campain! And what makes me as scared as it gets, they don't even try to hide themselves! This is not the behavior of someone fighting an enemy who could fight back. This is the behavior of someone who says "now its my turn and there is nothing you can do about it" The empires can't defend themselves from Nations incursions, how should they against an enemy like the sleepers? Have you ever fight against some of them? Your shields are melting in their fire, your amor ripped apard from their pure destructive power and it feels like your ships structure does not exist. We on the other side can't realy harm their amor without the help of capitalships as support. And now remember what the message says: Quote:We are deeply disappointed with what you are doing to our children.
We were patient and passive for too long - that changes now. We just faced their children! I prepare for the worst and you should do so too.
Always have enough guns for when shite hits the fan, Sleeper or no. This is a dangerous cluster and all.
And you are taking that message seriously? No matter how I look at it it looked like some University thespian trying to garner some publicity about some film or poetry about Sleepers or whatnot.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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