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Yay IgotScammed
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:31:00 -
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I make an arrangement with a guy out of game (not involving E-Bay or any cash). The guy gives me his account information because he is apparently too broke to pay the transfer fee himself. I play EVE so I know that account transfers are not a legit means of transferring ownership. I log into the account and pay the character transfer fee, using my own credit card and money, to a trial account that I was planning on activating whenever I wasn't feeling so lazy. The transfer goes through fine. I talk to the guy on MSN that very day and he is happy with my part of the arrangement as well (not related to EVE).
I play with my new main for a while last night, and go to sleep. I wake up this morning. BOOM. Account banned (EULA violation). What? What did I violate? Nothing. Not only that, the character is now not on my account. OH! Not only that, the other three accounts I pay and play with are also banned! Imagine that! I petition using the website here, and obviously they have now blocked my e-mail address or something because I am getting no response by filing an Exploit petition. A petition of this nature usually demands a response in less than 4 hours, don't you think?
The best thing about it is, that the guy has blocked me on MSN, and basically scammed me using CCP as the goat. Good job CCP, all this talk about scamming and you guys are the means to the end. Appreciate it, really I do. Because of CCP I plan on becoming a pit fighter now, and hopefully will be the next Pride Heavyweight champion.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Yay IgotScammed
Account banned (EULA violation). What? What did I violate?
You violated the EULA, read it: Linkage
If you have any further questions take it up with CCP and the GMs. The forums aren't the place for it.
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lofty29
Gallente
Tolarri Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:36:00 -
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Tbh, this is a bit of a petty ban. You logged onto his account to transfer the char. CCP, this is a little bit of a low-blow 
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Yay IgotScammed
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:37:00 -
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As far as I can tell, he is the one that violated the EULA, not I. And still gives no reason to ban all my accounts and give him his character back, and ignore my petitions.
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Micia
Minmatar
N.A.S.A.
Cobra Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:37:00 -
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But how is it CCP's fault, in this instance? 
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Tekka
Caldari
Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:39:00 -
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Obviously to them it looks like you were stealing the character.
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Yay IgotScammed
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Micia
Edited by: Micia on 08/09/2006 20:37:21
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Yay! I got scammed thanks to CCP!
But how is it CCP's fault, in this instance?
The reason why is because of their complete and utter lack of any communication. In this instance, you would think that I would at least be notified of a pending investigation? No I am not. What this guy did is make an arrangement with me, use an excuse, like "Oh man I am really broke right now, my wife just had a baby and money is tight. I can not afford the 20$ transfer fee". Then use the fact that I logged into the account after he gives me the password and pay the transfer fee with my own money. Wait until he gets his part of the arrangement. Then petition and whine that his account got hacked or whatever. CCP falls for it in a matter of seconds of hearing his tears and gives him his character back and I have no recourse to get my part of the agreement back.
Like I said, they have ignored all of my petitions. Something like this would get more precedence over say a GTC scam don't you think? They respond to those in a matter of minutes. This, oh no.
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Brisi
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Yay IgotScammed
As far as I can tell, he is the one that violated the EULA, not I. And still gives no reason to ban all my accounts and give him his character back, and ignore my petitions.
Yes the original user violated the EULA too, but he most likely claimed that you cr4cked his account pw to transfer the character to your own account. That way he can get the isk and keep his character. It's sad, but there's no way for CCP to know your out-of-game agreements (you made them MSN).
That is exactly why it's against the EULA. DO NOT VIOLATE THE EULA. You even knew that it wasn't allowed, and you did it anyway.
Theoretically speaking, you could be trying to cheat CCP too by claiming that this is what happened, and you're trying to get a character that's not rightfully yours. It's only you and the other guy who knows for sure what's happened. There's no way for CCP verify it.
I'm sorry for your loss, but don't violate the EULA.
I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
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Uriel Kador
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:46:00 -
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Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate
Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:46:00 -
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At the very least, you should stop payment on the credit card transaction and possibly even flag your credit card as being stolen, since I don't know if the original account holder now has your info.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Yay IgotScammed
I make an arrangement with a guy out of game (not involving E-Bay or any cash). The guy gives me his account information because he is apparently too broke to pay the transfer fee himself. I play EVE so I know that account transfers are not a legit means of transferring ownership. I log into the account and pay the character transfer fee, using my own credit card and money, to a trial account that I was planning on activating whenever I wasn't feeling so lazy. The transfer goes through fine. I talk to the guy on MSN that very day and he is happy with my part of the arrangement as well (not related to EVE).
I play with my new main for a while last night, and go to sleep. I wake up this morning. BOOM. Account banned (EULA violation). What? What did I violate? Nothing. Not only that, the character is now not on my account. OH! Not only that, the other three accounts I pay and play with are also banned! Imagine that! I petition using the website here, and obviously they have now blocked my e-mail address or something because I am getting no response by filing an Exploit petition. A petition of this nature usually demands a response in less than 4 hours, don't you think?
The best thing about it is, that the guy has blocked me on MSN, and basically scammed me using CCP as the goat. Good job CCP, all this talk about scamming and you guys are the means to the end. Appreciate it, really I do. Because of CCP I plan on becoming a pit fighter now, and hopefully will be the next Pride Heavyweight champion.
Bold = Where you ****** up.
Italics = You being stupid.
Your story is full of holes, so it's safe to say you're leaving some rather important stuff out, not to mention, you logged onto the other account,a nd you've already said you knew that was against the EULA. Saying that CCP blocked your email address as a result of you being banned is absurd, and if that was ture, you could spend 30 seconds making a hotmail account to contact them.
Have a nice day.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour  - Immy
Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath |
Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Yay IgotScammed
The reason why is because of their complete and utter lack of any communication. In this instance, you would think that I would at least be notified of a pending investigation?
"hey we think you're breaking the rules, so we're going to investigate you, just keep acting normal."
Riiight.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy
Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath |
DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:49:00 -
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this is why you post it on the forums or in an evemail, so ccp can see what the deal was, and abide by it.
for CCP to be fare in this, both should be banned.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 08/09/2006 20:50:54
Originally by: Yay IgotScammed
As far as I can tell, he is the one that violated the EULA, not I. And still gives no reason to ban all my accounts and give him his character back, and ignore my petitions.
From the EULA:
This transfer option is available from the EVE Online Account Management web site https://secure.eve-online.com/login.asp and is subject to fees and the following limitations:
1. You may not offer to transfer characters except your own, or act as a "broker" or intermediary (for compensation or otherwise) for anyone wishing to transfer or obtain characters.
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i. Suspension of Account
Without limiting CCP's rights or remedies, CCP may immediately, and without notice, discontinue or suspend access to the System through your Account, and any and all other Accounts that share the name, phone number, e-mail address, internet protocol address or credit card number with the discontinued or suspended Account, in the event of (i) a breach of the EULA (including the Rules of Conduct) by you or any user under your Account; or (ii) unauthorized access to the System or use of the Game by you or any user under your Account.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:53:00 -
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You logged onto someone elses account.
You transferred characters from their account with your money.
It looks like you stole their characters from the point of view of someone looking at logs. Especially if the person petitioned it after you transferred the characters.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 08/09/2006 20:54:32
Well I don't know if you're telling the truth, but if you are then this fellow played the GMs and they danced to his tune.
I seriously doubt they blocked your email, maybe they just haven't gotten around to your petition yet ?
I suggest mailing [email protected] about it if the GMs aren't helping you.
The GMs should ban the other guys accounts too, not just yours, banning you seems a bit harsh, but that's their policy, so I don't really think you're gonna get unbanned.
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Yay IgotScammed
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:55:00 -
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Ok. Fine, you got me! I hacked his account using my leet sauce hack tricks and then decided to use my own credit card with my name and address on it to skillfully transfer the character to an account tied to all three of my other accounts! My god I am a f-ing genius, CCP must be Sherlock freaking Holmes, because damn I am such a an elite hacker.
Get a grip. Ya, the guy have me his account information, and wow, I logged into his account (or should I say my account) and transferred the character off because he is a broke new parent that cant afford diapers for his kids.
Burn me at the stake, I am a heretic of the worst degree. I mean, hey, no one ever shares their account information, right?
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Gonada
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: Gonada on 08/09/2006 20:56:32
how many times do you wierdos have to experience this?
your own ignorance is your downfall.
read the eula. make your own characters, do not use anyone else3s account, nor lend your out.
how many times must we all tell you this?
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:57:00 -
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Gms remind me of cops, too much camping to hand out speeding tickets and not enough catching bad guys.
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Yay IgotScammed
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:59:00 -
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You all are right though, I guess if you looked at it from the other point of view it could easily seem like this. But really in order for me to get his password would be hella hard, he would have probably given it to me if you really look at this in the grand scheme of things. The actual chance of me guessing someones password and account name is about slim to none, hell I couldnt even hack my own passwords when I was trying to reactivate one of my accounts recently. But I do understand, they could say that they think I stole his character. Really though, is that plausible? Is it really really plausible that I hacked into this guys account and transferred his character off? No, it isn't. The rational answer is that the guy gave me his account on an account swap or some other arrangement, and then reniged. Which is why I am kinda upset right now to be honest.
I do see where you guys are coming from though, I shouldn't have logged into his account. To be honest though, I did not look that deeply into the EULA, and did not remember seeing anything about sharing your account information or what not.
I just wanted a quick response from CCP I guess and just needed to vent.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Yay IgotScammed
Get a grip. Ya, the guy have me his account information, and wow, I logged into his account (or should I say my account) and transferred the character off because he is a broke new parent that cant afford diapers for his kids.
You should say his account, as it was not yours.
You've admitted agan that you broke the EULA, and now you're crying and *****ing because CCP enforced it. I hope they start breaking more people who do it. People need to learn to read what they sign.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy
Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath |
Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:09:00 -
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Well, I've read the first four sentences of your story, and I'm already wanting to ban you. You logged into his account. Goodnight, game over, you lose.
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hendo001
Caldari
Quantum Tech Mining
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:13:00 -
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Do you have your msn chats logged?
As you could send your chat logs to ccp
just a thought
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: Baldour Ngarr on 08/09/2006 21:21:55
Originally by: hendo001
Do you have your msn chats logged?
As you could send your chat logs to ccp
Unless those chat logs prove that he *didn't* log into someone else's account, they aren't going to help him.
Oh, and OP: I read a bit more of your original post. The reason your exploit petition wasn't responded to within 4 hours, is because you filed it in the wrong place, so it was most likely deleted. As it should have been.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:23:00 -
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I am never a failure until I begin blaming others.
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Ash Vincetti
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:25:00 -
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I'm sorry to say that you could have gone about it differently.
You could have used PayPal (for example), to send him the Transfer fee and he could have paid CCP for it.
You could have mailed him a check
you could have made some kind of legal agreement to have this character transfered.
Instead, you payed for the transfer fee on his account with your credit card, (which is a different card from what's on file for him, and even a different name and address).
Obviously, something does not compute and they ban the accounts pending an investigation.
Contest the credit card charges with your credit card, you are not liable as you did not actually receive a service.
As far as CCP being scammers, take a breath dude, if any of my customers pulled something shady like that you can be damned sure i would put my services on hold till i knew what the hell had just happened.
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Beef Hardslab
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:28:00 -
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[noob]
So, logging into someone else's account is against the EULA? I'm concerned because even though I've only been playing for about a week, I have a bunch of friends playing too, and if I'm hanging out at their house sometimes I log into my account to keep my skills training. Am I going to get in trouble for this?
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deadbear
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:28:00 -
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If CCP did this just do a charge back on your creditcard. call the bank and resolve the issue.
try and charge back as far as you can, only way to get CCP to respond is take away the $$$$
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Yay IgotScammed
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:30:00 -
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Alright, well I guess I violated the EULA, did not notice that it was against the EULA for someone else to log in to your account at the time.
My fault. Just wanted to hear it from a GM of some sort I guess. If I made the mistake. Something noting what I acutally violated or something of that sort if they are going to ban 4 of my accounts for this.
I thought exploit was where to file such petitions to be honest. That is where you typically file such things as GTC scams, charcter scams on the forums, etc etc.
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Exiled One
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:37:00 -
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You violated the EULA, you got what you deserve.
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