Easy fix: make boosts only work on-grid.

Yes, but as Diomedes mentioned - devs would like to do that but it's not easy to do. It's probably why their first pass at this was restricting what boosts could be run from within a POS shield instead of going to a grid based system.

OGB need to be fixed. I imagine that they will at some point. But there are obviously other priorities.

I guess I'm glad CCP isn't one of those developers that waves the ban-wand with the magic word "exploit" when there is a mechanic they are having trouble correcting. -- will just have to wait I suppose.

I know it's off topic.. but what is OGB? I guessed that it meant the same as OP (Original Poster)

I was of the impression that if you joined fleet with someone in an active war you became a valid war target as well (including showing up in local chat with the war target icon). Since you have to be in fleet to provide boosts the booster is a valid war target.

If only boosting provided a suspect flag in the same way that reps do.

It wouldn't solve the off grid problem. But at least you could see them flashing in local and shoot them once you found them.

So obvious situation:

A mining fleet is up with an orca. Someone asks if they can join fleet to get boosts, and in the effort of being social the fleet accepts the new member.

Of course, the person docks up after a load of ore, joins a corp in a war dec, undocks, and all his buddies gank the orca.

End result: reason to be even less social in a game built on social interactions. If you don't like off grid boosting go to low/null for your PvP, don't whine about high sec PvP rules.

So obvious situation:

A mining fleet is up with an orca. Someone asks if they can join fleet to get boosts, and in the effort of being social the fleet accepts the new member.

Of course, the person docks up after a load of ore, joins a corp in a war dec, undocks, and all his buddies gank the orca.

End result: reason to be even less social in a game built on social interactions. If you don't like off grid boosting go to low/null for your PvP, don't whine about high sec PvP rules.

This would be an obvious situation if it didn't also require that person to find a war target and attack it. I suppose, if we are going to be paranoid, 2 corps could be set up do to this type of thing. But honestly--very quickly those corps would lose standing against everyone who is a miner.

So the answer would be to create 2 new corps every couple of weeks. and wardec them just to hunt orcas.
--------I don't know the cost directly, but I'm almost certain it is cost prohibitive for high sec without large scale cooperation.

Personally, if this was a thing--I would actually welcome it. It shows a level of creativity and social interaction that is commensurate with all successful and fun experiences within Eve. No social interaction is destroyed, in fact--new ones are created.


OGB isn't social interaction.... it is something for your sidekick account to do for you. -- 2 people are partners.. not a team. 2 people are a relationship -- not a community.

Off grid links are usually paper thin - scan em down and suicide gank them - on a t3 you'll pretty much always win the ISK war.

^^ Perfectly doable, just harder to do and come out on top ISK wise.

^^ Perfectly doable, just harder to do and come out on top ISK wise.

This would be an obvious situation if it didn't also require that person to find a war target and attack it. I suppose, if we are going to be paranoid, 2 corps could be set up do to this type of thing. But honestly--very quickly those corps would lose standing against everyone who is a large scale miner.

So the answer would be to create 2 new corps every couple of weeks. and wardec them just to hunt orcas.
--------I don't know the cost directly, but I'm almost certain it is cost prohibitive for high sec ore without large scale cooperation.

Personally, if this was a thing--I would actually welcome it. It shows a level of creativity and social interaction that is commensurate with all successful and fun experiences within Eve. No social interaction is destroyed, in fact--new ones are created.


OGB isn't social interaction, it is something for your sidekick account to do for you. -- 2 people are partners - not a team. 2 people are a relationship -- not a community.

End result: reason to be even less social in a game built on social interactions. If you don't like off grid boosting go to low/null for your PvP, don't whine about high sec PvP rules.

Just realized - 13 posts before the first nonconstructive personal attack. Seems you have a decent community. Well Done!

Approximately how many Orcas would you need to put down per week to pay for wardec? I can't find a reliable source for the cost of wardec--but the ones I have found have said 500 million isk... not sure if that is per day or per week or per month....

The ship is destroyed, so discount that--my profit would be some cargo and a few mods/drones.

The answer to this question completely hinges the "don't nerf OGB" argument. But even they haven't answered it.

Edit: since it appears you posted at the same time as me -- you are still discounting the required aggression to give out the suspect tag, and since we are particularly discussing Hi-Sec.. it also requires a wardec to prevent CONCORD from blowing you up.

^^ Perfectly doable, just harder to do and come out on top ISK wise.

Just realized - 13 posts before the first nonconstructive personal attack. Seems you have a decent community. Well Done!

Approximately how many Orcas would you need to put down per week to pay for wardec? I can't find a reliable source for the cost of wardec--but the ones I have found have said 500 million isk... not sure if that is per day or per week or per month....

The ship is destroyed, so discount that--my profit would be some cargo and a few mods/drones.

The answer to this question completely hinges the "don't nerf OGB" argument. But even they haven't answered it.

Edit: since it appears you posted at the same time as me -- you are still discounting the required aggression to give out the suspect tag, and since we are particularly discussing Hi-Sec.. it also requires a wardec to prevent CONCORD from blowing you up.

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Its down to a minimum of 50M/week. which is fairly easy.

I'm of the understanding that you can be fleet boosted while engaging war targets by people who are not in your corp with no consequence. I've looked at several other posts, but they are from over a year ago (and are locked). I haven't tried it myself, so please excuse me if this mechanic has changed.

Every other type of direct out of corp support between war targets is rewarded with a suspect flag. I wonder why this is not the case with fleet boosts. If a fleet member attacks a war target during fleet ops - the suspect flag would allow the OOC people the opportunity to dock, especially in the current case where the fleet booster is in a "safe" location.

At this point, the proliferation of this particular technique makes it almost a requirement in order to be competitive in a high sec war as players would have to attack illegal targets in order to counter this. IMO, it is undermining the existing economic factors of these wars by providing a benefit of contributing while not actually paying the proper dues or risk to participate. Also, the "Has Offered Assistance" mechanic is also broken and unused to this same effect.

Again.. I haven't seen any discussion on the matter in over a year and those posts were locked without much discussion. Perhaps there is some trolling mechanic that is avoided by not flagging people who are fleet boosting that I don't see in my inexperience.