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Mythosen
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Posted - 2006.09.08 22:35:00 -
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I belong to a very small corp who is constantly under attack by a small pirate corp who uses mostly Gal Hacs, and on occassion some minimatar AF's. The AF's do not bother me much however they are never alone usually in 2-3 man gangs.
I have the skills to I believe fairly adequately tank a Raven both shield or armor.
How would I setup the Raven for maximum tanking, while I wait for my corp to come in with the cruisers/frigs to try and take out the HAC's?
I will not be using any Faction gear.
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vyperpit
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.09.08 22:48:00 -
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you can not tank a THORAX with a raven for long enough that your corp comes in and kills them [assuming that they need to undcok and jump say 1 system] and that is assumeing that they are ready for it
the only true way to tank them for long periods of time is to JAM them, yep ECM
are they using deimos or ishtars?
also if u can use t2 seige you should be able to tank 2 deimos long enough to kill at least one! [javelin torps and EM dmg]
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vyperpit
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.09.08 22:54:00 -
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you need to give us more info if you want us to fully help you
what are ur skills like?
what exact hacs do they use [there is a MASSIVE difference from an ishtar to a deimos]
In what ships can your friends help you?
how quick can they get to you?
give us that info and we will try help, but just to get u started
6x siege t2 [with javelin trps] , 2x small lasers or ac
2x t2 invol fields, xl-t2 booster, heavy electrochemica cap injecter with 800s. sensor booster, amp
lows would be 2 dmg mods t2, cpu mod, 2 wcs.
also, jamming them means tehy cant attack you unles they use drones! if u fit galante jammers and have decent skills u can keep them jamed pretty long.
Nos means a deimos cant shoot which stops their dmg
Stabs means u can warp out before you die [in a way its tanking]
should help u get started, but unless u use officer/faction mods [and i mean the really high end stuff that cost 10bil a mod] you will not be able to tank a thorax [a properly fitted one anyway] for too long, let alone a deimos
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.08 22:56:00 -
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4 Heavy Nos (kills Deimos, they have to come into range) or mix some neuts in with an injector, 4 Large Smartbombs (kills an Ishtar's damage output).
Few slot boosted cap injected active tank with ECM and whatever you need to fit it in the lows.
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quiet beauty
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Posted - 2006.09.08 23:25:00 -
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Don't play their game, start annoying them with warp to 100km, then warp away etc(make sure you have scout)... then fit few painters, t2 sieges, jammers and warp at 60km so they will try to get you.... And before they realize what is happening they are painted and hit for too much damage. And if they get too close they get jammed.
But you need t2 torps for this, t1 won't cut it.
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knifee
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.08 23:52:00 -
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Another way to go, if they are (predicatbly) in Gal hacs is to go the ECM route, take some large NOS, a smart bomb (for the drones), some lanchers to shoot back with and fit your mids with a load of racial ECM, with plates and and whatever rep you can fit in lows.
Try if u can to fit at least one 20km scam and a web so that you can hold one of them long enough for your friends to arive.
You dont need much of a tank if u smartbombed their drones and have them Jammed.
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Audrea
Widowmakers
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2006.09.09 00:30:00 -
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If they are working as a gang, he cant shut down the hacs' dps probably.
I mean, they would have one dedicated tackler, freeing the Deimos to fit cap booster+ECCM, effectively turning his dual NOS and racial jammers almost 100% useless.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.09.09 01:11:00 -
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 Originally by: vyperpit
you can not tank a THORAX with a raven for long enough that your corp comes in and kills them [assuming that they need to undcok and jump say 1 system] and that is assumeing that they are ready for it
Uh, X-L shield booster, + invul fields + boost amp + heavy electrochem should do well for that...
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Mythosen
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Posted - 2006.09.09 02:13:00 -
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Sorry for vagueness.
My skills are average with the Raven. I have shield skills all at lvl 4. I only lack cruiser 4 - 5 and I could fly Gal HAC's aswell so all of those related skills are good. I can use T2 items for every slot atm on the Raven other then Weaps. The same is true for the Gal Dom.
I could use a Domi for this also if it would work better.
The enemy flys mainly Ishtar's from what we've seen in our encounters. The last battle we had they fielded 2 Ishtars, 1 Arazu, 1 Wolf.
This is typical type of setup, tho usually just 2 or 3 of them rather then 4+.
My corp would be fielding mostly T1 Amarr and Gal Frigs, Cruisers, and BC's.
One member can field some T2 Min Frigs and can adequately equip a Tempest out.
I hope this helps, and I appreciate all information given.
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xlop
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.09 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: vyperpit
you can not tank a THORAX with a raven for long enough that your corp comes in and kills them [assuming that they need to undcok and jump say 1 system] and that is assumeing that they are ready for it
Uh, X-L shield booster, + invul fields + boost amp + heavy electrochem should do well for that...
i take it you have no yet seen a thorax!
it will not be able to tank it! just for ref your average t2 kitted 25mil sp player raven does 600dps [with 3 dmg mods] and your average throax pilot does 600DPS, and if my calculations are right, the raven can only tank about 450dps of thorax dmg
so no you wount tank it, as for dual thorax, u got no chance
but u will easily tank it long enough to kill it for sure
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Levin Cavil
Lucid Ambition
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Posted - 2006.09.09 02:24:00 -
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if you cant use precision torps then a domi might be a batter choice although the raven can still be very good. Try an xl booster, 2x invul II, 55% em II, heavy cap injector with 800s and a 20km warp disruptor to hold one of them in place. In the low slots you can fit an RCU and CPU as needed and then 3 BCU IIs. Use target painting drones and you should be able to do decent damage to them although torps probably wont bte the most effective weapon without t2 versions. The tank should hold up very well however, at least long enough for your friends to arrive.
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Minmatar
Oblivion's Gate
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Posted - 2006.09.09 02:33:00 -
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6 cruise, 2 heavy nos, xl booster, amp, 2 invuln, heavy injector, 3x bcu, damage control, PDU or whatever you may need should work.
Rax isn't hard to tank, and if its set up for heavy damage, you just nos it, and kill it.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.09.09 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: xlop
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: vyperpit
you can not tank a THORAX with a raven for long enough that your corp comes in and kills them [assuming that they need to undcok and jump say 1 system] and that is assumeing that they are ready for it
Uh, X-L shield booster, + invul fields + boost amp + heavy electrochem should do well for that...
i take it you have no yet seen a thorax!
it will not be able to tank it! just for ref your average t2 kitted 25mil sp player raven does 600dps [with 3 dmg mods] and your average throax pilot does 600DPS, and if my calculations are right, the raven can only tank about 450dps of thorax dmg
so no you wount tank it, as for dual thorax, u got no chance
but u will easily tank it long enough to kill it for sure
I get 156dps acitvely tanked 12shield/s passive making that 168dps tanking, and 162.756 effective dps, assuming your 600dps is correct, and using the therm/kin damage ratio of void m. This is using 1 x-l c5 shield booster, 3x invuln field 2s, 1 boost amp, cap booster and a damage control. (other modules are irrelevant unless you improve the shields with more PDUs)
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