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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.09.09 00:14:00 -
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In summary  Blockade Runners are pointless ships.
Why would/does anyone, taking Minmatar as an example, fly a Prowler instead of a Mastodon 
In order to actually be useful and serve a purpose Blockade Runners bonus to Warp Core strength should be skill dependent 
/me waits ..
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RangerXT
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.09 00:16:00 -
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I agree 100%. It's well past time that this oversight be corrected and game mechanics worked as intended.
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.09.09 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: Vicious Phoenix on 09/09/2006 00:26:21
I love my Proator, my Impel is a useless piece of ****. Blockade runners are fast as crap and have nice -warp scram strength. Lets face it, the transports are sturdier but if you're in one and get shot at you're still going to die. They are also unbearbly slow. The best way to use the "deep space" transports is actually to avoid being suicide ganked in empire
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.09.09 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 09/09/2006 00:27:50
So you fit 2 of the Impel's low slots with WCS ..
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.09.09 00:38:00 -
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 Originally by: MOOstradamus
Edited by: MOOstradamus on 09/09/2006 00:27:50
So you fit 2 of the Impel's low slots with WCS ..
Still slow as crap. Speed is the key. Impel + 2 WCS + 5 nanos is still way slower than Proator with 4 nanos.
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ArtemisEntreri
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.09.09 00:42:00 -
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MASS:
Prowler = 10000000 kg
Mastodon = 18500000 kg
That's why...
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Montero
Black Omega Security
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.09.09 00:58:00 -
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The prowler is anb incredibly usefull ship for moving stuff in 0.0. Jumping into a gate camp is easy enough to survive and chances of getting killed are very slim. Try that in a mastodon.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.09 01:24:00 -
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in one hand you have a ****** ship wich packs no defence and is capable to warp minimal distances, even with a rater big cap.
on the other you have a indy that handles like a stabber and is as sturdy as a BC (or better).
choices choices...
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.09.09 01:34:00 -
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I'm still not convinced
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.09.09 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
in one hand you have a ****** ship wich packs no defence and is capable to warp minimal distances, even with a rater big cap.
on the other you have a indy that handles like a stabber and is as sturdy as a BC (or better).
choices choices...
Not quite. I can manage 80% across the board on my Impel with 4500 armor and a med t2 rep. It won't survive concentrated fire, but its not a terrible tank either.
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Kurtz
Minmatar
Eldorado Exploration Expedition
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Posted - 2006.09.09 01:56:00 -
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The Prowler is a better utility transport.
The Mastadon is the better tank. I have survived A Raven gate camping that had me warp scrambled, cause I had full expanders. The sentries wore him down, before he got into armor my armor.
A Prowler is one of the best run about ships for shopping there is. Decent cargo space, high warp speed, low warp cost, high agility, great acceration, and two high slots, a turret and a launcher, no other blockade runner has both.
For looting missions the Prowler also wins over the heavy transport. Two tractor beams are better than one.
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Eternal Fury
Caldari
Brotherhood of Light
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Posted - 2006.09.09 03:34:00 -
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I don't know about the other blockade Runners, but my Prorator is the best ship I've ever bought.
It can take a few hits, not much but it can. it's a little light on the cargo space, but I can get a single Large Secure cargo container on it bringing it up to just over 4000 m3 with my skills.
but the BIG thing is, that with the 4 low slots, and the +2 built in stabs, I can fit 4 nano's and in the time it takes me to align and get up to speed to warp, almost nothing can lock me in that time.
Toss on a Cloak, and you can avoid even gate camps with bubbles.. though it's slow for that purpose..
For each prorator I loose to gate camps, i get away from at least 500. And that's not an exageration. Once you've used one in 0.0 with insta's you start to feel invicible.
Sure I may have to make a few more cargo runs then someone who uses the deep space transport, but the deep space transport is too slow.. it'd get caught by NORMAL gate camps, let alone ones with bubbles.
I don't know about the other transports, but my Prorator is the best ISK I've ever spent. I feel safer in my prorator in 0.0 then I do in my fully T2 fitted Raven.
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franny
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2006.09.09 04:52:00 -
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I spent the better part of the week rounding up corp stuff from our old base
I cloned jumped out there, and my mk5 got blasted by a sniper early, so I managed to make it to empire and thought hmm... I can grab the occ and nano it up, or buy a new viator(the main one is deep in 0.0 space)
so after I did a half ass job fitting out the new viator I set out to haul
the occ is great for space, but the damn thing aligns slower than a beached whale in labor
25hrs or so of hauling later, blowing thru a couple low sec sniper camps and past a ceptor pilot in 0.0(t2 sniper mega I laughed as he took me to 40% shields, t2 fitted apoc got a rush as he got me into armor(note to self, add em shield hardener to the new viator), crow that was just a joke I didn't even have instas for there(I forgot to copy syndicate over to my alt ))
could the occ have gotten thru, maybe, with nano's and stabs, but it would have still been a slow lumbering beast... i'll take my blockade runner any day of the week and twice on sundays
but if ccp wants to give me a +1 wcs per lvl in place of the repair bonus, I wouldn't complain
/me dreams +4warp core str and 3 nanos on a viator
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Sovereign533
Caldari
133rd Ghost Wing
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.09 10:30:00 -
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i agree with most ppl... the Blockade Runner is really the best one...
i have both... and i only run any pipe solo in my Prorator... but when i'm in my impel, i ask for a scout and escort to take me down (or up)... (and no, i never use my Impel for myself)...
and yeah, i fly the Prorator, and i'm very happy i trained for it :)
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Ortu Konsinni
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.09 10:40:00 -
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Hey, you know what, fine, let's have my skills count toward warp core strength so I get +1 per level of Transport Ships instead of the fixed +2, I can handle that.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:42:00 -
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The blockade runners have better resists and the +2 WC strength makes it good for running through lawless space. Also the other T2 indys have bigger cargo space like Sigil -> Prorator -> Bestower -> Impel.
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roBurky
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:45:00 -
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I'm going to disagree with the original poster as well. Blockade Runners are awesome, whereas I can't see a use for Deep Space Transports that wouldn't be better served by a blockade runner or a tech 1 industrial ship.
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Captin ShadowHawk
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.09 14:21:00 -
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I have been flying the prowler for a while now. Although this ship is fast and agile my concern is when T2 warp scram's are released that +2 warp strength looks useless now  |
Ortu Konsinni
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.09 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Captin ShadowHawk
I have been flying the prowler for a while now. Although this ship is fast and agile my concern is when T2 warp scram's are released that +2 warp strength looks useless now
Don't worry, I'm pretty sure T2 scramblers will NEVER be released under the current system of warp scrambling.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:15:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 11/09/2006 09:23:10
OK so I've been flying the Prowler again for a few days and yes it is much much faster at aligning and entering into warp (less cargo space than the Mastodon is an acceptable sacrifice) but even so I'd still like the WCS bonus to be skill dependent making it future proof now
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Wilfan Ret'nub
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:04:00 -
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WCS bonus becoming skill dependand is probably too much of a boost. Still, the current bonus to shield boosting/repairers (either ammount or cap needed) is rather useless on blockade runners. You need the cap for MWD and sustained tanking is rather pointless when running out of a bubble.
I'd rather have a bonus to shield size and/or MWD cap penalty.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:15:00 -
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If instas 'go' then blockade runners become worthy.
Although I would tend to agree, they do need a bit more.
Especially the caldari - bustard I can fit 5 WCS and a MWD, crane, 2WCS + 'inbuilt 2' and afterburner is the best you get.
Personally I'd go with a little more stats wise towards 'running away' (enough grid to fit a MWD on a crane would be a start), and more agility/base speed still.
And warp core stability +1 per level would make a measure of sense. (Maybe even +2, but that gets a little sick :).
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MOS DEF
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: MOS DEF on 11/09/2006 11:20:35
Forget about that wcs bonus and even more important forget about tanking.
Prorator with 4 nanofibers warps before anything locks you.
Only an instalock Stiletto has a chance and for that your +2 strengh helps.
If you run into a bubble camp the speed will most likely get you back on gate even if webbed.
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Sovereign533
Caldari
133rd Ghost Wing
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
If instas 'go' then blockade runners become worthy.
Although I would tend to agree, they do need a bit more.
Especially the caldari - bustard I can fit 5 WCS and a MWD, crane, 2WCS + 'inbuilt 2' and afterburner is the best you get.
Personally I'd go with a little more stats wise towards 'running away' (enough grid to fit a MWD on a crane would be a start), and more agility/base speed still.
And warp core stability +1 per level would make a measure of sense. (Maybe even +2, but that gets a little sick :).
everybody would train it to lvl 5 then... and then it can't be captured... only by well placed bubbles... and blockade runners are worthy even with insta's... the strength here is the speed it alignes... and shoots off to warp... and the little amount of cap it needs to warp...
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: MOOstradamus
Edited by: MOOstradamus on 09/09/2006 00:15:56
In summary Blockade Runners are pointless ships.
Why would/does anyone, taking Minmatar as an example, fly a Prowler instead of a Mastodon
In order to actually be useful and serve a purpose the Blockade Runners' bonus to Warp Core strength should be skill dependent
/me waits ..
BOTH ships are outstanding for their purposes.
The Prowler and Prorator are both incredibly effective at their design role. Viator is also very good. Crane, not so good, but better than nothing. The main danger to a Prowler is a careless pilot and an enemy bubble. Not much else will stop it if it is fitted right (for agility) and in the hands of a skilled pilot. (Enough scrambling could stop one, but the tackling pilots would need have faster than normal reflexes....)
The Mastadon (and Bustard) are both outstanding for being able to absorb some punishment AND carry large cargo. While not the best tanks out there, for avoiding suicide ganks in empire, and for surviving light raiders in 0.0 systems where you have fast backup, they are great. (The toughness is worthless if you have no in system backup, as you just die a bit slower).
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Kamikazi ONE
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:09:00 -
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It's a shame they don't make it so the Blockade Runners don't get rejected from using a gate if they fire on an enemy ship. It would be great to get a few shots off to delay enemy ships and still be able to warp/dock.
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Raeff
Caldari
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:40:00 -
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i wasnt sure the 27mil skill was worth it till i flew the prowler for about a week .. it is now in my top 3 favorite ships, and i'm a pvp pilot(atleast i like to call myself that lol) .. ive run countless empire gate camps and a couple dozen 0.0 gate camps in it .. it will always be a part of my fleet
*warps as quick as a cruiser(well seems like it)
*can warp extremely far(i estimate it could warp well over 300au with a mwd fitted)
*i can get it up to almost 2km/s with average mods
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Callisto Augustus
Funny Farm Fugitives
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Raeff
Edited by: Raeff on 11/09/2006 14:49:30
*can warp extremely far(i estimate it could warp well over 300au with a mwd fitted)
the large transports suck balls though .. slow(60m/s with a mwd when you got xpanders in all the lows) .. super slow to warp .. got warp? they dont, they can barely warp 40au WITHOUT a mwd fitted
Since when do MWD's extend warp range? Hmm Never heard of that and I'm a 16 month old player. I thought they just give you a massive sub-warp speed boost and large signature 
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Drake Water
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:51:00 -
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They don't increase warp range, they decrease it because of their 25% cap reduction. I think the above poster was saying that he thought it could hit 300au in spite of a MWD, not because of one.
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Reatu Krentor
Minmatar
Void Spiders
Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:53:00 -
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hmm everyone seems to be missing the blockade runners warp speed is also much higher, 9 au/s. While the deepspace transports warp at 3 au/s.
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