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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:45:23 -
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Nobody hates miners. Some argue that mining is very boring because it's monotonous, but then again so is hauling, so is 0.01 ISKing on the market, so is waiting in a gatecamp, so is staring at a gate waiting to bump someone, so is a myriad of other things in this often-slow paced rubbish game like EVE (and we all love playing it).
What people dislike though, are those who fail to understand that EVE is fundamentally a player vs. player game (in its broadest definition). Quite often, the people who don't get that and complain the loudest are those who choose to mine as a primary profession. The low barrier of entry + low effort combination makes mining something a lot of people get into, quite possibly many who are effort averse and risk averse.
A complainer, a lazy player, a risk averse player: if you are not any of these, then don't worry about it.
Source: I'm a miner.
Friendship is the best ship.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:02:45 -
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Sol Project wrote:One could enjoy watching local and checking d-scan constantly, yes. One could enjoy being social
while mining, yes. One could enjoy watching youtube while mining, yes ...
... but all of these have nothing to do with mining per se.
Yep. This is a good way of saying it. I enjoy being in an unarmed can on the verge of being shot at. I think it's a fun mechanic.
Friendship is the best ship.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:18:41 -
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Anslo wrote:So much buttbattering
Kohai, such words 
I do not know their meaning..
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:39:55 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Please go ahead and listen to Sahsa Nyemtsov reading James 315s manifesto 2 for a reasonable summary of how utterly terrible miners are and how they have had a massive negative impact on the gameplay of others. If you get done and you're thinking "Isn't he overstating the negative impact miners have on the gameplay of others?" No he isn't. People hate them for real reasons.
Zealots are never able to articulate an argument. I believe it has something to do with being unable to think for themselves.
Sasha does have a wonderful voice though. I'd listen for hours if he was the voice on my books on tape.
Friendship is the best ship.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.13 05:15:43 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:The cool thing about sand castles is building them. After all, at the end of the day, the waves will still come and destroy them. Plus, I prefer my sand castle crude and bucket shaped.
Speaking of sandcastles, there are two kinds of players in EVE.
Friendship is the best ship.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.13 13:52:50 -
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I do. The best thing about having a mining vessel already in belt is it makes an excellent scout to warp to with an alt.
Friendship is the best ship.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.15 06:10:37 -
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Capt Starfox wrote:I don't hate miners; I enjoy profiteering off their exploded spaceships.
A bit like squeezing blood out of a turnip, isn't it?
Friendship is the best ship.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
19250
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Posted - 2014.12.17 05:24:58 -
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I'm going to dig up a Deep Space 9 analogy here.
One of my favorite episodes featured an alien named Tosk, whose sole purpose was to outsmart his hunters. It was certainly easy for Chief O'Brien, a human who was helping him, to see the hunters as vicious killers and Tosk as a victim.
As it turns out, Tosk had a deep reverence for the Hunter and the Hunt, and the Hunters respected and worshipped the Tosk for doing its work as prey, to outsmart the hunters and live another day.
We seem to have this environment in EVE where the hunters keep arguing that blowing up ships is within their rights, and that they aren't responsible for anything further than that, like sportsmanship or respect.
The hunted keep arguing that they have no responsibility to outwit and outrun the hunter, or have any respect for the hunt.
So, when I see the hunters complain about drowning in expletives (an EVE player is fully within her rights to use bad language), or the hunted complain about getting blown up (a PVPer is within her rights to blow up any ship she wants), I feel no sympathy.
Both sides have created an environment of hostility. Things could really be different, but they aren't.
Friendship is the best ship.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
19255
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Posted - 2014.12.17 06:00:02 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Yes, the sandbox is full of choices. Two of which are, you can go and find players that shoot back, seek out good fights or you can go and find those that are pretty helpless and look for easy kills.
Which do you think is more likely to be lauded and which choice do you think is considered craven?
If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.
-Sun Tzu
I guess he was craven, too.
Friendship is the best ship.
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