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Marus Sulla Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan 38	Posted - 2014.12.20 20:09:57 - [31] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Marus Sulla wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Marus Sulla wrote: Chaos ? How did we ever build one of the most advanced civilizations pre our encounter with the Amarr slave fleets. This sneering you see from outside the tribes is laughable. So Tribal ! The injustices ! When will they ever be like us ? We Remain True. If you had one of the most advanced civilizations, you would be masters and they would be slaves. As I already posted above we don't count as civilized a society that thinks in terms of master and slave. Marus Why? You certainly have had slavery in your far past. Perhaps you've evolved beyond that point now (although Havohej would suggest that you are certainly capable of devolving back in that direction) but you certainly have the concepts within your culture - even before the Amarr could have put them there. Please feel free to enlighten us on the history of slavery within our culture and it's relevance now. MM Recruitment is open. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=386561 http://masuataa.org/
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 181	Posted - 2014.12.20 20:32:49 - [32] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Marus Sulla wrote: Chaos ? How did we ever build one of the most advanced civilizations pre our encounter with the Amarr slave fleets. This sneering you see from outside the tribes is laughable. So Tribal ! The injustices ! When will they ever be like us ? We Remain True. If you had one of the most advanced civilizations, you would be masters and they would be slaves. A natural disaster followed by an invasion kinda stopped that....
Karynn Denton Clan Katanga Caravan 339	Posted - 2014.12.20 20:38:16 - [33] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Why? You certainly have had slavery in your far past. Perhaps you've evolved beyond that point now (although Havohej would suggest that you are certainly capable of devolving back in that direction) but you certainly have the concepts within your culture - even before the Amarr could have put them there. Absolutely correct. Even today, the taking of thralls as spoils of victory on the battlefield still persists amongst a rare few clans. And it is their right to do so. Karynn Denton Caravan Master
Andreus Ixiris Duty. Circle-Of-Two 5205	Posted - 2014.12.20 20:41:52 - [34] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Why? You certainly have had slavery in your far past. I thought condescendingly telling people about the history of their own cultures was a bad thing only Gallenteans did and Caldari would never stoop to. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Havohej Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2014.12.20 22:38:51 - [35] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Why? You certainly have had slavery in your far past. Perhaps you've evolved beyond that point now (although Havohej would suggest that you are certainly capable of devolving back in that direction) but you certainly have the concepts within your culture - even before the Amarr could have put them there. Leave me out of this, unless you want me to join Pyre and bring my slaves with me. Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames. OOC Forums @ Backstage
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 182	Posted - 2014.12.20 22:42:52 - [36] - Quote Havohej wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Why? You certainly have had slavery in your far past. Perhaps you've evolved beyond that point now (although Havohej would suggest that you are certainly capable of devolving back in that direction) but you certainly have the concepts within your culture - even before the Amarr could have put them there. Leave me out of this, unless you want me to join Pyre and bring my slaves with me. Please don't....... I think? I don't know which would be worse / funnier.... some mix of both maybe?
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 182	Posted - 2014.12.20 22:57:23 - [37] - Quote If it were to happen I just hope they have the foresight to field a neut domi fleet...
Havohej Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 128	Posted - 2014.12.20 23:24:56 - [38] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: If it were to happen I just hope they have the foresight to field a neut domi fleet... That would not work if I were in their corporation. Also, I eat neut Dominix fleets for breakfast. It's RR Dominix fleets that are my bane. You make sure your boss remembers that, should we ever find ourselves on opposite sites of the same battlefield. Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames. OOC Forums @ Backstage
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 182	Posted - 2014.12.20 23:31:36 - [39] - Quote Havohej wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: If it were to happen I just hope they have the foresight to field a neut domi fleet... That would not work if I were in their corporation. Also, I eat neut Dominix fleets for breakfast. It's RR Dominix fleets that are my bane. You make sure your boss remembers that, should we ever find ourselves on opposite sites of the same battlefield. I meant the minmatar militia, and uh, OK I'll relay that message I guess? Didn't really know there was bad blood, or much of any of it for that matter (I try not to ask too many questions honestly).
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 182	Posted - 2014.12.20 23:52:26 - [40] - Quote Please make any explanations or what not a private matter if you so wish... Honestly I don't want to be caught in the middle of anything though.

Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 26768	Posted - 2014.12.20 23:54:43 - [41] - Quote So try hard. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 182	Posted - 2014.12.21 00:03:36 - [42] - Quote I'm going to assume this is one I should stay out of?
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 90	Posted - 2014.12.21 00:48:03 - [43] - Quote Well that lasted... actually, a bit longer than I expected.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 182	Posted - 2014.12.21 00:50:40 - [44] - Quote wait.... what?
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4367	Posted - 2014.12.21 00:52:19 - [45] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Why? You certainly have had slavery in your far past. I thought condescendingly telling people about the history of their own cultures was a bad thing only Gallenteans did and Caldari would never stoop to. I don't know why you'd think that. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 431	Posted - 2014.12.21 01:49:28 - [46] - Quote Havohej wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Why? You certainly have had slavery in your far past. Perhaps you've evolved beyond that point now (although Havohej would suggest that you are certainly capable of devolving back in that direction) but you certainly have the concepts within your culture - even before the Amarr could have put them there. Leave me out of this, unless you want me to join Pyre and bring my slaves with me. I'm not sure when joining us became a threat. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 26812	Posted - 2014.12.21 01:56:38 - [47] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Well that lasted... actually, a bit longer than I expected. You can have him back. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 183	Posted - 2014.12.21 02:02:34 - [48] - Quote Sooo confused right now....
Archbishop PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2014.12.21 05:31:05 - [49] - Quote The heathen terrorists of Masuat'aa Matari have for years turned their backs on the will of God and the gift the Amarr have offered them. A life in service, a purpose, a relationship with God and a life in service. Instead they embraced a life of terror, violence, poverty and suffering. The myths behind the so called "Day of Darkness" are half-truths and lies told to Matari children when they are young to make them hate the Amarr. The Minmatar leaders do not tell the truth that the Amarr only wish to save the Matari from their own devices and bring them closer to God. As I have recently returned from a few years at monastic retreat I have been shocked upon reviewing of the continued barbarity of these terrorists and their violent ways. It seems destruction is the only language they understand or appreciate. So be it. After so many years your insignificant uprising and feeble efforts to "come for your people" have accomplished little but to secure the fates of more "rescued Minmatar". Rescued to a life of despair and darkness. "The Amarr people came into the world and the world came into being. Our illustrious ancestors freed their souls from the evils of the old. world and created a new one. The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man. To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled. The Lord gave our Emperor the power to harness the Good and punish the Evil. Ever since, the Emperor has lived the lives of his subjects and breathed the air of authority." - The Scriptures, Book I 1:14 Read the scriptures and understand the flaw in your thinking Masuat'aa Matari... For the true "Day of Darkness" is one of your own creation. It is the day when a Minmatar who served God is yanked away from the light of God and a life of service and is brought to the darkness of the Minmatar "society". Archbishop His Lordship the Honorable Archbishop Retired Admiral & CEO of PIE Incorporated Currently serving as Spiritual Advisor
Havohej Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 128	Posted - 2014.12.21 06:27:16 - [50] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: I meant the minmatar militia, and uh, OK I'll relay that message I guess? Didn't really know there was bad blood, or much of any of it for that matter (I try not to ask too many questions honestly). There isn't. Scope Works poses no threat to me, nor I to it, as I live neither in Placid nor Syndicate at the moment. And I doubt I'll be joining any militia entities. Anslo wrote: So try hard. Terrible CEO is terrible. Kalaratiri wrote: I'm not sure when joining us became a threat. Do you have any idea how much bad PR I bring with me? You really don't, do you? Archbishop wrote: Look at my enormous chin! Archbishop The chin is pretty impressive. Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames. OOC Forums @ Backstage

Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2014.12.21 09:34:52 - [51] - Quote Havohej wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: I'm not sure when joining us became a threat. Do you have any idea how much bad PR I bring with me? You really don't, do you? Don't worry about PR, even you can be redeemed! Repent, join Empire as a slave and you will be forgiven! (( If you are a roleplayer, or want to learn about roleplay, please join "*Out of Character" and "Intergalactic Summit*" channels in game, Lets show CCP that there are many roleplayers still here, and we want more Live Events!! ))
Andreus Ixiris Duty. Circle-Of-Two 5209	Posted - 2014.12.21 11:46:41 - [52] - Quote Kalaratiri wrote: I'm not sure when joining us became a threat. Your corporation will instantly become at least 200% more vulnerable to attacks from RR Dominix fleets. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 687	Posted - 2014.12.21 12:25:30 - [53] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: I'm not sure when joining us became a threat. Your corporation will instantly become at least 200% more vulnerable to attacks from RR Dominix fleets. We have faults beyond counting. Even more when our fleet commanders are sober. The risk of us accepting that madman Havo is not a potential fault of ours.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 191	Posted - 2014.12.21 15:07:43 - [54] - Quote Luna Hanaya wrote: Havohej wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: I'm not sure when joining us became a threat. Do you have any idea how much bad PR I bring with me? You really don't, do you? Don't worry about PR, even you can be redeemed! Repent, join Empire as a slave and you will be forgiven! But if he did that he would be abandoning his Amarrian slaves.....
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 431	Posted - 2014.12.21 17:41:28 - [55] - Quote Havohej wrote: Do you have any idea how much bad PR I bring with me? You really don't, do you? I'm not sure why you think your "bad PR" is something we would be at all interested in adopting. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 194	Posted - 2014.12.21 17:54:01 - [56] - Quote Seeing as it doesn't look like anyone's really said anything on it... Thanks for the second installment! I've heard the "war of the flea" term somewhere before, don't recall where. I, like with the first installment, really enjoyed reading this and look forward to the next. I also found the section on the effects of moral really intreating. The whole thing in general gave me plenty of food for thought. Thanks!
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 291	Posted - 2014.12.21 18:16:05 - [57] - Quote Siddhar Gangari wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: No former slave will ever really become what the Republic wants us to become, because your culture isn't our culture. It hasn't been for generations. The Ammar culture isn't "your" culture either - everything about it has set your people up to fail and persist in this universe with their lives in the hands of cruel strangers. However, I am not unsympathetic to your position and I will cease trying to convince you. One day you will see the truth for yourself. It will either destroy your weak, simple mind or it will give you the kick in the head you so desperately need. Sallamaka al-lahu, maulaa. On the contrary, Lt. Kernher represents an exemplary example of what it means to be an Amarrian Matari. She is fully a part of the greater Amarrian culture. For you see, unlike your rigid reconstruction of an idealized culture that never actually existed, Amarr has room for cultural diversity under the rule of God. Lt. Kernher and myself are not of the same culture, this is true, but we are both part of the greater Amarrian whole. She has every right to be proud of her accomplishments and of her place in Amarr and I am personally quite pleased by her accomplishments and the newly developing addition to the Amarrian cultural whole that she represents. The Amarrian-Matari culture exemplified by Lt. Kernher or the Martyr Abel Jarek is a great asset to the Empire and I look forward to seeing how it develops in freedom. Lord Admiral of PIE inc. \| -áRecruitment Information \| Public Forum \| Neocom channel: "PIE Public" \| Amarr Victor!
Marus Sulla Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan 41	Posted - 2014.12.21 18:48:05 - [58] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Seeing as it doesn't look like anyone's really said anything on it... Thanks for the second installment! I've heard the "war of the flea" term somewhere before, don't recall where. I, like with the first installment, really enjoyed reading this and look forward to the next. I also found the section on the effects of moral really intreating. The whole thing in general gave me plenty of food for thought. Thanks! Appreciated. The 'war of the flea' is as old as warfare itself and the Flea Fleet doctrine appears to have been making headway in the warzone recently. Given the response the first two installments have had (degeneration into our usual positions in the trenches) the third installment will be an exposition on the meaning of Freedom and Slavery as understood by the Masuat'aa. My only hope is that the wider audience of the IGS rather than our regulars are getting a better understanding of who we are and why we fight. Marus MM Recruitment is open. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=386561 http://masuataa.org/
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 198	Posted - 2014.12.21 19:07:03 - [59] - Quote This really was a great idea for your anniversary, I hope it does spread a bit more understanding for your cause and such.
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 95	Posted - 2014.12.21 19:29:10 - [60] - Quote Gaven Lok'ri wrote: Siddhar Gangari wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: No former slave will ever really become what the Republic wants us to become, because your culture isn't our culture. It hasn't been for generations. The Ammar culture isn't "your" culture either - everything about it has set your people up to fail and persist in this universe with their lives in the hands of cruel strangers. However, I am not unsympathetic to your position and I will cease trying to convince you. One day you will see the truth for yourself. It will either destroy your weak, simple mind or it will give you the kick in the head you so desperately need. Sallamaka al-lahu, maulaa. On the contrary, Lt. Kernher represents an exemplary example of what it means to be an Amarrian Matari. She is fully a part of the greater Amarrian culture. For you see, unlike your rigid reconstruction of an idealized culture that never actually existed, Amarr has room for cultural diversity under the rule of God. Lt. Kernher and myself are not of the same culture, this is true, but we are both part of the greater Amarrian whole. She has every right to be proud of her accomplishments and of her place in Amarr and I am personally quite pleased by her accomplishments and the newly developing addition to the Amarrian cultural whole that she represents. The Amarrian-Matari culture exemplified by Lt. Kernher or the Martyr Abel Jarek is a great asset to the Empire and I look forward to seeing how it develops in freedom. While it is indeed interesting to see the public face of these things, it's far more interesting to see the glimpses when the masks crack and what is underneath shows for a brief moment just how little someone like Little Kin really belongs there. Of course, she doesn't belong in the Republic either much the same as me and most other freed slaves, but I think you'd be surprised to see how much of what you take at face value is a mask she and others try really hard to pretend is the real face. Even to themselves.



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