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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.12.21 22:21:19 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
While it is indeed interesting to see the public face of these things, it's far more interesting to see the glimpses when the masks crack and what is underneath shows for a brief moment just how little someone like Little Kin really belongs there. Of course, she doesn't belong in the Republic either much the same as me and most other freed slaves, but I think you'd be surprised to see how much of what you take at face value is a mask she and others try really hard to pretend is the real face.
Even to themselves.
What goes on behind a mask is not relevant. Actions are what matter.
Lord Admiral of PIE inc. | -áRecruitment Information | Public Forum | Neocom channel: "PIE Public" | Amarr Victor!
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Havohej
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
131
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Posted - 2014.12.21 23:46:15 -
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You keep telling yourself that.
Maybe one day it will even be true.
Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
298
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Posted - 2014.12.22 07:38:26 -
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It has been true since the beginning of time, so that "one day" is far far in the past.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
99
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Posted - 2014.12.22 13:17:54 -
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It is a very Amarrian thing, yes. Wear the mask. Pretend real hard. If you do it for long enough, you forget that it is a mask and believe you truly are who you pretend to be. Enforce this in your captives and they are that much easier to turn into zealots of your own. It is rather chilling, and frankly more horrifying than simple slavery. It's eradication of the actual human being.
Well, attempted, at any rate. Those few moments when the mask slips and someone else is glimpsed behind it? Those moments are all that are needed to redouble the efforts in the fight. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4371
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:13:07 -
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To be fair that isn't a solely Amarrian concept. Everyone wears a mask in public, especially when talking to those who aren't considered their friends.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
103
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:17:19 -
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This is of course true, but the difference lies in how it is enforced in a culture, and with what motivation. It is one of the things I remember rather well from my upbringing and how different it was from anywhere I've been since. A public face to bring forth your desirable traits, hiding your flaws and such is one thing while trying to force that mask to become reality and suppress or even eradicate the person underneath is another entirely.
It is chilling to consider, if you value a human being for what they are, isn't it? |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
203
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:45:20 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
While it is indeed interesting to see the public face of these things, it's far more interesting to see the glimpses when the masks crack and what is underneath shows for a brief moment just how little someone like Little Kin really belongs there. Of course, she doesn't belong in the Republic either much the same as me and most other freed slaves, but I think you'd be surprised to see how much of what you take at face value is a mask she and others try really hard to pretend is the real face.
Even to themselves.
What goes on behind a mask is not relevant. Actions are what matter.
What about when this mask forces your hand to do those actions that you, behind the mask wouldn't? What about when the separation from this mask worn doesn't really exist and all you are is what others make you out to be? Yes everybody wears a public face but without ever feeling the ability to remove said mask is achievable, that just isn't healthy. |
Claudia Osyn
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
1004
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:08:58 -
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Masks should only be worn at partys... Unless you're a super hero.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4371
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:02:45 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:What about when this mask forces your hand to do those actions that you, behind the mask wouldn't? What about when the separation from this mask worn doesn't really exist and all you are is what others make you out to be? Yes everybody wears a public face but without ever feeling the ability to remove said mask is achievable, that just isn't healthy.
That's what kirjuunen, suuolen and family are for. Masks aren't supposed to be removed in public - unless to reveal another mask. Veikitamo always told me that and I believe she was wise in this respect. When you show something of yourself in public you cease to own it and it becomes common property.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
203
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:14:13 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:What about when this mask forces your hand to do those actions that you, behind the mask wouldn't? What about when the separation from this mask worn doesn't really exist and all you are is what others make you out to be? Yes everybody wears a public face but without ever feeling the ability to remove said mask is achievable, that just isn't healthy. That's what kirjuunen, suuolen and family are for. Masks aren't supposed to be removed in public - unless to reveal another mask. Veikitamo always told me that and I believe she was wise in this respect. When you show something of yourself in public you cease to own it and it becomes common property.
What about not being able to remove these masks around them? I'm not really going to argue about in public, that to say the least is understandable. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4371
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:41:27 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:What about not being able to remove these masks around them? I'm not really going to argue about in public, that to say the least is understandable.
Yes, we agree. That would be SUPER unhealthy. If you aren't being honest to your near & dear then the odds are that you aren't being honest to yourself, either.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
203
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Posted - 2014.12.22 23:11:20 -
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That's more less the point I was trying to make. The mask does have to come off at some point. That on top of You really shouldn't compromise your own true nature to hold the fascad the make you wear shrouds you in. |
Claudia Osyn
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
1007
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Posted - 2014.12.22 23:25:55 -
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So avoid mask partys and being a superhero.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
203
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Posted - 2014.12.22 23:30:00 -
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I don't think were all talking about the same masks...... |
Claudia Osyn
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
1007
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Posted - 2014.12.22 23:56:49 -
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Nonsense, sweety, there is only one type of mask that one can take off and put on as if it where some kind of accessory. If you happen to be discussing hidden emotional traits of indivuals and the act of useing more plesent emotional traits to cover them up, its not a mask, its social conditioning.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
203
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Posted - 2014.12.23 00:59:19 -
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I guess were discussing social conditioning then? I think....? |
Claudia Osyn
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
1008
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Posted - 2014.12.23 02:25:28 -
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Why are we talking about that? It seems like such a dull topic.... can we go back to dressing up Pieter?
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
203
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Posted - 2014.12.23 03:07:21 -
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Think Pieter needs a mask? I thought you already had dressing him covered! |
Anslo
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
27333
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Posted - 2014.12.23 03:18:53 -
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Scope Works. Straight talk since whatever this year is.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
204
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Posted - 2014.12.23 03:38:25 -
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Still not a reporter! I don't like talking to people! |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4371
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Posted - 2014.12.23 05:22:19 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Still not a reporter! I don't like talking to people!
Boy do you have a funny way of showing it, missy!
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
204
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Posted - 2014.12.23 05:40:12 -
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I don't mind... like..... um.... talking to people I know, or talking in general, I just... uh.... can't... like...... talk to people one on one is all....
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
240
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Posted - 2014.12.23 05:44:13 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:I don't mind... like..... um.... talking to people I know, or talking in general, I just... uh.... can't... like...... talk to people one on one is all....
But we aren't talking here, we are sending messages back and forth.
I assure you that I am nowhere close to being as eloquent as my posts.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
204
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Posted - 2014.12.23 05:49:54 -
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that's exactly why I don't have a problem talking here, I don't have anyone specifically as an audience, its just....people..... people not staring at me, or specifically listening to me really... |
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2014.12.25 17:39:31 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:Havohej wrote:Kalaratiri wrote:I'm not sure when joining us became a threat. Do you have any idea how much bad PR I bring with me? You really don't, do you? Don't worry about PR, even you can be redeemed! Repent, join Empire as a slave and you will be forgiven! But if he did that he would be abandoning his Amarrian slaves.....
No, he wouldn't!
He is responsible for them, and must bring them with him to the Empire to serve together with him as slaves.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
212
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Posted - 2014.12.25 18:05:26 -
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His slaves are Amarrians he bought off a Thukker caravan if I'm not mistaken. He's not a holder and there's nothing religious about their servitude. I could be wrong on my understanding of his "arrangement" but I don't think they would be too keen on him retaining them after joining |
Havohej
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2014.12.25 18:25:57 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:His slaves are Amarrians he bought off a Thukker caravan if I'm not mistaken. He's not a holder and there's nothing religious about their servitude. I could be wrong on my understanding of his "arrangement" but I don't think they would be too keen on him retaining them after joining
This is correct.
Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2014.12.25 18:49:27 -
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His holder will decide their fate.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
214
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Posted - 2014.12.25 18:58:34 -
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Sorry if I'm understanding this wrong, but they would stay as slaves for being enslaved by a non Amarrian? If so that's kinda dark! Would it be some kind of reteaching thing or? |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
Circle-Of-Two
5240
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Posted - 2014.12.25 19:18:38 -
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Can we stop humouring Luna Hanaya, since she's just vacantly repeating suggestions she's apparently completely unaware will never be followed? Her soulless, mechanical repetition of Amarrian platitudes is actually kind of unnerving, and shouldn't be encouraged.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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