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Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.11.29 23:59:00 -
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Party Lips wrote:twiddles fingers yess yesssss come to low sec. muhahahaha
The problem with this is that no one in their right mind is going to go to low sec either. The predictable outcome is that prices will rise like the temperature on Texas asphalt at noon until CCP decided to 'correct' the issue because nerfing High sec this hard means that PI is now out of reach for newbs AND POCOs die too fast to defend unless your corp lives in that system alone 24 7 and has more then a handful of people. So, PI, at 250k a day in profit at best will require an easily destroyed 100m isk floating turkey.
The vets will just sit back and watch and wait to see what happens, because as of right now, the market is in for a wild rollarcoaster as T2 prices soar so high that harvester drones look attractive again. |
Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:37:00 -
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Yeah, CCP just pretty much broke the economy. Taxes are at 22% in Metro. |
Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:49:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Not really. For the new players doing PI harvest in hi-sec, it won't change a thing. Prices will go up for P1, so they'll be able to charge more - and people who find math difficult will abandon the market, making P1 prices higher, which means more money for the PI harvesters at the bottom of the pile.
For new players trying to do lo-sec PI - they'll have to adapt or die. Or join forces and get standings with the residents or move to null/w-space. Or change their setups to produce P2 and survive off of command center launches.
For the factory planets - if it's not profitable to make if you assume that you buy inputs off the market and pay the import/export fees - then don't make that particular commodity. Find another niche rework your factory planets to pull from lower down on the tier.
Bob, the problem is that new players will be scared off by the fact that a single day's production costs more then their ships to export and takes days to sell off at seller's prices, and they take a loss at buy order prices.
And P2 isn't possible in lowsec due to the 500m3 limit on launches. You'd have to launch every hour to keep up.
Effectively this is going to bring quite a large amount of T2 production to a halt due ot the increase in cost of doing business, until the players start screaming about the rising cost of T2 heading back to what it was in the bad old days when a handful of people held a monopoly on it. |
Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:21:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Seriously.
Some of you are UNSUBBING because your almost worthless highsec activity is now even more worthless?
Risk : Reward, retards. If you won't risk doing PI where it is valuable ... you don't get to reap the rewards.
Working as intended, finally.
Oh, another clueless one saying 'risk reward!' again.
Please.
Let me be blunt: eve is about dodging risk and stealing reward. Even the PvP is 'risk adverse'.
Oh, and the PI in low sec isn't that great.
I've got fifteen worlds on a couple alts and I make about 300k average profit (not net, profit) per world per day, in low sec.
To recoup one POCO, it would have to run uninterrupted for two years to make back the initial investment.
Let me point that out again: it would take TWO YEARS to make the isk back.
Now, granted, this is at current prices, which are guaranteed to climb rapidly, and this is assuming that nothing ever happens to it.
But just think about that. Two Years.
Risk vs reward indeed.
BTW: I'm surprised that CCP hasn't locked this thread yet too. |
Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.12.02 00:08:00 -
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You're assuming too much there Bob.
You fail to factor ship loss, clone costs, and any import taxes. Those are also losses that count against your profits. |
Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.12.02 00:17:00 -
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Dr Mercy wrote:
There is so much wrong with what you've written there that I don't know where to start.
Carebears of course care about risk - that it the entire point of the definition. Their tolerance for risk is so much lower that they simply stop being able to have fun when is gets above a very low threshold.
CCP should not care too deeply about carebears who decide to quit over a change to PI. They simple do not drive the sandbox storylines of the game which keep the majority of people playing.
Whilst a large population of the game may not involve themselves in PVP - it is PVP that drives the market. Without PVP you gut market demand. Who is going to buy minerals or stuff from the LP store or anything else for that matter is it isn't to replace ships and assets lost in PVP.
That's about as far as I can be bothered to write..
As a carebear, I have enough isk I really don't care about it. What I do care about is CCP trying to force certain styles of gameplay.
I AM however, curious about this 'sandbox storylines' thing you speak of. I've played this toon since 04 and the game since 03, and this is the first I've heard of this. Perhaps you could enlighten me.
Unless you mean that carebears don't have private GM's/Devs like the major alliances do, and then I'll admit that yes, we're sadly lacking in having our own pet CCP employees to lobby for us.
ANd, conversly, without carebears, who is going to mine for those ships that Pvp looses? I've actually had to sit and listen to a bunch of PvPers have to mine their replacement ships when I refused to do so for them.
If you think that people whine on the forum, try that sometime. They put the forum whines to shame. |
Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.12.02 02:31:00 -
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Jack Dant wrote:
If you are losing clones in lowsec, you are doing it very wrong. I have only lost one pod in empire in the last 2 years, despite nearly 200 ship losses.
And with proper ships and scouting, losing haulers should be extremely rare.
Jack, I fly a blockade runner cloaked.
And, if you're not getting podded, than whoever is the tackler is for your local PvP corp, sucks.
I always factor in the possibility of at least two losses, because I have to contend with heavy alliance action in my area. Hot dropping carriers isn't their only trick, you know. If I don't lose them, I made additional profit. But when I figure my numbers, I always factor it in. |
Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:44:00 -
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Marsan wrote:
You are think about it the wrong way. If you replaced the POCO, which I question you could by yourself, sure it would take years to reap the profits. On the other hand if you set the tax rate at a reasonable level you'd be making money off all the folks using your POCO. Now honestly I don't see a single player doing that but there will be low sec and null sec corps that set reasonable tax rates. To profit from the taxes and/or provide a people for them to gank.
Marsan, I have about three planets that I even have a single other player using.
How much you think I'm gonna get at 10%?
BTW: I actually did look into doing one myself: while it will only take me an hour or two to kill the existing interbus unit, the 200m that the POCO currently costs seems like wasted isk. |
Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.12.02 14:39:00 -
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The cost of cap ship parts is not likely to go down much because of this, the initial cost of the gantry is in the 100m range. The additional PI items to bring it online are currently about 90m and climbing in my region. |
Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.12.02 23:49:00 -
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It's fun to see a goonswarm alt like Regneir try and troll.
Mostly because if they, say, nerfed rats, moons, and arknor into the ground like PI, they'd be one of hte first groups to line up and scream. |
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Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.12.03 06:35:00 -
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FastJack316 wrote:
Arkonor? Really? Really?
You think we mine?
You, personally, no, I doubt you have the patience. But others do, and they work for, or are alts of, goons, meaning they're part of your income too.
And, notice, neither of them denied the rats bit.
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Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.12.04 15:36:00 -
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Esunisen wrote:FastJack316 wrote:No, we don't. I can guarantee you that nobody in Goonwaffe mines and if you ever find someone who does I promise I will ask the Directorate for authority to give them an incredibly demeaning title or shoot them. Then you should better watch what is happening in Deklein. 5S-KXA, industry level 5 (B: 7) 85-B52, industry level 4 (B: 10) 3JN9-Q, industry level 3 (B: 14) O-2RNZ, industry level 1 (B: 8+3) K5F-Z2, industry level 2 (B: 8) AD-CBT, industry level 1 (B: 16) R8S-1K, industry level 2 (B 6+1) Industry index is maintained only with mining. Maybe in Goonwaffe nobody mines, but not in CONDI. Or is it some carebear slaves (bots?) working for you ?
Shush, we're not supposed to know that goons are lying through their teeth in order to get what they want. It's 'social PvP'.
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Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.12.04 18:25:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: ---gets caught in a lie---- BUT OTHERS ARE DOING IT MORE!!!
Sorry, something > nothing.
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Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.12.04 20:09:00 -
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And yet, they insist that I know nothing of goons.
I suppose this shows... neither do goons.
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Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:19:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Well, that just makes whomever it is that's mining enough to get that system to level 5 are even dumber motherfuckers than initially thought.
What, you think they bought all those ships they give you?
Let me see if I got this straight: they charge you a premium, for ships they're building themselves, and making more isk off it then they would in high sec, while you loose the ships defending the ops, which in turn build you more ships at a premium. '
And you think they're the dumb motherfuckers?
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Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.12.06 14:53:00 -
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You totally missed the point. Basically you're paying for the privilege of losing ships to defend ops that sell you ships at inflated prices. The fact that you apparently totally missed this point was what billngi was talking about.
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Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2011.12.06 15:08:00 -
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For some reason, PT Barnum just came to mind...
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