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GaKarr Savage Research Technologies 0	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:18:00 - [1] - Quote Just installed patch , as usual my daily task is exporting Enriched unranium from my planets to customs office to haul to station, last night pre-patch from each launch pad i export approx 750 to 850 Units of Enriched Unranium, this would cost approx 8,000 iskies , now the same amount post patch is 724,000 isk !!!! This is in a high sec 0.5 system, this is absolutley nuts, To import refined materials for about 10 k of each would cost about 8,000 now its 100,000 !! Check your walllets guys when you are doing that importing/exporting , NO WAY are they meant to be this high , 1000% increase , this has got to be a bug.
Linka Romanov Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:24:00 - [2] - Quote GaKarr wrote: Just installed patch , as usual my daily task is exporting Enriched unranium from my planets to customs office to haul to station, last night pre-patch from each launch pad i export approx 750 to 850 Units of Enriched Unranium, this would cost approx 8,000 iskies , now the same amount post patch is 724,000 isk !!!! This is in a high sec 0.5 system, this is absolutley nuts, To import refined materials for about 10 k of each would cost about 8,000 now its 100,000 !! Check your walllets guys when you are doing that importing/exporting , NO WAY are they meant to be this high , 1000% increase , this has got to be a bug. It's not a bug - see the following developer-moderated page: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice Taxation Tax % is taken off the material's taxable value. This value is set by CCP and is based off the market values in November 2011 Import is always half of export tax The taxable value are the same for all items in the same tier Advanced Commodities: 1,350,000.00 ISK Specialized Commodities: 70,000.00 ISK Refined Commodities: 9,000.00 ISK Basic commodities: 500.00 ISK Planet Resources: 5,00 ISK The fact is, in order to ensure that anyone would actually bother with using a player owned customs office, they needed to be able to 1) generate enough revenue that anyone would care to put them up and 2) provide an attractive tax haven alternative to highsec. If you don't like the tax rates, either include the cost in your sell price, put up your own POCO with a 0 tax rate, or partner up with someone who owns a POCO to get a favorable tax rate.
Jacabon Mere Capital Storm. Shadow of xXDEATHXx 1	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:24:00 - [3] - Quote Did you wonder why PI prices went up 100% in the last couple of months? That is what is covering the tax. Capital Storm is recruiting Aussie carebears with teeth. Join "Capital Storm Pub" channel ingame.
Hundo Kay Great White North Exploration Gryphon League 14	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:30:00 - [4] - Quote From http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice Taxation Tax % is taken off the material's taxable value. This value is set by CCP and is based off the market values in November 2011 Import is always half of export tax The taxable value are the same for all items in the same tier Advanced Commodities: 1,350,000.00 ISK Specialized Commodities: 70,000.00 ISK Refined Commodities: 9,000.00 ISK Basic commodities: 500.00 ISK Planet Resources: 5,00 ISK Custom tax rates can be set based on corp to corp standings, as well as for alliance members or corp members. So for your High Sec Factory planet. Per Cycle Import Tax (assuming importing Toxic Metal and Prec Metal) = (40+40)500.05 (half of 10%) = 2,000 Isk Export Tax = 5 * 9,000 10% = 4,500 isk Total Tax = 6,500 isk per cycle or 1300 isk per unit. Should be easy to confirm the numbers. So for a factory planet with say 24 factories. 24 factories 6500 isk/cycle * 24 hours = 3.7M per day in taxes.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 40	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:34:00 - [5] - Quote Yea the crappy thing is the valuation. it would have been nice if they had been updating the market value all along. Then there would not have been this major spike.
Hundo Kay Great White North Exploration Gryphon League 14	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:35:00 - [6] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Yea the crappy thing is the valuation. it would have been nice if they had been updating the market value all along. Then there would not have been this major spike. The question is how often will they reindex it?
Rex Augustus Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 0	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:37:00 - [7] - Quote :smug: Working as intended. Valuation indexing - this WILL be interesting to see. Monthly actually would be pretty badass, but I suspect it may be more along the lines of quarterly or every major update like this. shrug We shall see, tho.
Tahna Rouspel BWE Special Forces Rage Alliance 20	Posted - 2011.11.29 21:53:00 - [8] - Quote Ouch, this is unexpected. I knew they were raising the NPC tax to 10%, but I didn't know the value was increased! This will definitely have some serious impact on the market prices and POS fuel costs.
Rex Augustus Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 0	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:20:00 - [9] - Quote Hundo Kay wrote: From http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice Taxation Tax % is taken off the material's taxable value. This value is set by CCP and is based off the market values in November 2011 Import is always half of export tax The taxable value are the same for all items in the same tier Advanced Commodities: 1,350,000.00 ISK Specialized Commodities: 70,000.00 ISK Refined Commodities: 9,000.00 ISK Basic commodities: 500.00 ISK Planet Resources: 5,00 ISK Custom tax rates can be set based on corp to corp standings, as well as for alliance members or corp members. So for your High Sec Factory planet. Per Cycle Import Tax (assuming importing Toxic Metal and Prec Metal) = (40+40)500.05 (half of 10%) = 2,000 Isk Export Tax = 5 * 9,000 10% = 4,500 isk Total Tax = 6,500 isk per cycle or 1300 isk per unit. Should be easy to confirm the numbers. So for a factory planet with say 24 factories. 24 factories 6500 isk/cycle * 24 hours = 3.7M per day in taxes. You forgot a very, very critical tax point in here that =SOMEONE= is going to have to pay: P1 export. Your assumption is that there is no initial export of the P1 (I guess you're assuming market purchase?) If you are running P1 harvest planets too, you need to add in another 4000 isk per P2 factor. 24 factories * 10,500 isk/cycle * 24 hours = 6,048,000 isk per day in taxes. Hisec PI => nerfed. Hard.
Party Lips Blackened Skies Death Jesters 2	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:34:00 - [10] - Quote twiddles fingers yess yesssss come to low sec. muhahahaha

Jim Hooknose Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:38:00 - [11] - Quote Party Lips wrote: twiddles fingers yess yesssss come to low sec. muhahahaha Mwhahaha-no, I don't like being forced to play one way or the other. CCP will not make me go anywhere in eve I don't want to go. I will unsub first... wait... I already have.
Caiyuga Onishi Custos Lumini 3	Posted - 2011.11.29 22:54:00 - [12] - Quote Unsubbing because of nerfed high sec PI.. you really shouldn't. Prices for commodities will most likely take another kilogram of crack soonGäó It's like on the real market - the customer pays the tax.
Jim Hooknose Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:10:00 - [13] - Quote Caiyuga Onishi wrote: Unsubbing because of nerfed high sec PI.. you really shouldn't. Prices for commodities will most likely take another kilogram of crack soonGäó It's like on the real market - the customer pays the tax. Fewer PI products will be bought because of their significantly higher cost which results in a larger supply of PI products. More supply means lower costs. It will balance out. The people with PI planets will suffer for it. Meanwhile, the massive alliances in nullsec effectively don't even notice this change since they will be able to buy a baker's dozen of POCOs every day if they needed to. Low/null sec gets a massive buff, high sec gets a massive nerf = CCP is trying to get players out of high sec and into low/null sec. Sorry, this game was billed to be as a sandbox. In my sandbox the devs don't paint me into a corner.
General Sauron Saurian Industrial Corporation DSM FOUNDATION 3	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:45:00 - [14] - Quote Anyone know the difference between prices for using the launchpad and the command center for launches?
Alisarina Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:48:00 - [15] - Quote Good luck using the launch pad to do a meat 500 m3 per how or whatever. Though I do agree there is too much moaning here about this. It's kind of sad really that people cannot learn to adapt.
General Sauron Saurian Industrial Corporation DSM FOUNDATION 3	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:53:00 - [16] - Quote Alisarina wrote: Good luck using the launch pad to do a meat 500 m3 per how or whatever. Though I do agree there is too much moaning here about this. It's kind of sad really that people cannot learn to adapt. For the amount produced by high sec PI, 500 is decent for launching P2.
General Sauron Saurian Industrial Corporation DSM FOUNDATION 3	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:58:00 - [17] - Quote For those that are interested, I did a little experiment on one of my planets. The launchpad now costs alot more as well. It equates to a about 15% tax rate. For those with low sec planets, under certain circumstances, it may be better to forgo the POCO, and just use the launchpad every two days.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association 3	Posted - 2011.11.29 23:59:00 - [18] - Quote Party Lips wrote: twiddles fingers yess yesssss come to low sec. muhahahaha The problem with this is that no one in their right mind is going to go to low sec either. The predictable outcome is that prices will rise like the temperature on Texas asphalt at noon until CCP decided to 'correct' the issue because nerfing High sec this hard means that PI is now out of reach for newbs AND POCOs die too fast to defend unless your corp lives in that system alone 24 7 and has more then a handful of people. So, PI, at 250k a day in profit at best will require an easily destroyed 100m isk floating turkey. The vets will just sit back and watch and wait to see what happens, because as of right now, the market is in for a wild rollarcoaster as T2 prices soar so high that harvester drones look attractive again.
Frederheim Dark Angel Freight Brotherhood of Legion's 0	Posted - 2011.11.30 00:02:00 - [19] - Quote PI is completely worthless to do now. 1 day of export costs from a single planet cost about 5k yesterday. Today it costs 550,000. How the hell can I sell it at a profit if it costs me 110 times as much to export off the planet? All 3 of my accounts canceled. Screw CCP.
Alisarina Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2011.11.30 00:04:00 - [20] - Quote If your only doing P2 in high sec, honestly your doing it VERY wrong. The main issue with it is import tax, due to being unable to extract the amount of materials you need in a HS planet to run enough to make P2/P3's from P0's. I ran, pre-expansion, P2 > P3 robotics factory worlds. Now post-expansion I'm looking at swapping over to possibly P1 > P3 production (unsure if robotics is going to be the final product or if something else is more profit). The major issue with CC launches is the 1 hour CD they have, and if your doing the old way of making P3's from say 19 factories, that's 57 an hour at 6 m3/unit. Every hour it makes 342 m3 worth of robotics. All fine and dandy for doing a launch an hour and picking it up. However realize not many people are online every hour of every day to do the 500m3 CC launch to keep up with demand, thus you will eventually be forced to export using the higher tax. I am not sure what teh tax you pay in CC launches but there is one I know. Another thing this prevents you from doing is being more than a few jumps away from the planet/s in question to pick up the cans in space, limiting your other fun pew pew's or other isk generating activities like missioning/incursions/camping Jita 4/4 and hoping to get a stupid hauler with more ISK than sense. I guess CC launches could be used for the P1-P3 worlds as they generate 12 robotics an hour at CCU 4 and 15 at CCU 5 and can thus be left for about 5 hours between exports. Not sure if the lower ISK/Hour would be worth it however, I'm going to run the numbers tonight after work.

Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp 55	Posted - 2011.11.30 00:10:00 - [21] - Quote Can someone give me an forecast on what will happen with construction blocks? I have seen the massive spike in PI POS fuel (I bought about 750M about 6 weeks ago for safekeeping), but construction blocks have gone down in the same period.
Teamosil Good Time Family Band Solution 56	Posted - 2011.11.30 00:20:00 - [22] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Yea the crappy thing is the valuation. it would have been nice if they had been updating the market value all along. Then there would not have been this major spike. That would actually be very bad if they decide to constantly update the base price based on the market price. The market will price in the tax, meaning prices will go up. Then if they set the base to the new price, and then tax on top of that again, the price will go up to reflect the tax again, set base, price raises, new base, raises again. That would guarantee that the price of the products would continually and rapidly rise.
Alisarina Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2011.11.30 00:21:00 - [23] - Quote Expect all PI related products to slowly start to creep up in price. By how much I honestly have no idea but they will go up, people will want to still make their profit with these extra taxes. One thing I do know is everything that has any required part thats PI related is going to go up in price so T2 drones, T2 missiles/torps, PoS structures and PoS fuels (and thus T2/T3 indirectly due to higher running costs) amongst many other things. It's a whole cycle of life thing, something that happens at the bottom resonates all the way tot he top, eventually. EDIT: The only thing I can see that is really bad about this price hike in taxes is the new players wanting to get into PI or who have just gotten into PI and don't have another reliable source of income, though if they know what they are doing they can skill up fo incursions or higher level missions, still kind of sucks for them however.
Hundo Kay Great White North Exploration Gryphon League 15	Posted - 2011.11.30 00:30:00 - [24] - Quote Rex Augustus wrote: Hundo Kay wrote: From http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice Taxation Tax % is taken off the material's taxable value. This value is set by CCP and is based off the market values in November 2011 Import is always half of export tax The taxable value are the same for all items in the same tier Advanced Commodities: 1,350,000.00 ISK Specialized Commodities: 70,000.00 ISK Refined Commodities: 9,000.00 ISK Basic commodities: 500.00 ISK Planet Resources: 5,00 ISK Custom tax rates can be set based on corp to corp standings, as well as for alliance members or corp members. So for your High Sec Factory planet. Per Cycle Import Tax (assuming importing Toxic Metal and Prec Metal) = (40+40)500.05 (half of 10%) = 2,000 Isk Export Tax = 5 * 9,000 10% = 4,500 isk Total Tax = 6,500 isk per cycle or 1300 isk per unit. Should be easy to confirm the numbers. So for a factory planet with say 24 factories. 24 factories 6500 isk/cycle * 24 hours = 3.7M per day in taxes. You forgot a very, very critical tax point in here that =SOMEONE= is going to have to pay: P1 export. Your assumption is that there is no initial export of the P1 (I guess you're assuming market purchase?) If you are running P1 harvest planets too, you need to add in another 4000 isk per P2 factor. 24 factories * 10,500 isk/cycle * 24 hours = 6,048,000 isk per day in taxes. Hisec PI => nerfed. Hard. Didn't forget it, just clearly stated it was for a factory planet.
Jenn Makanen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 80	Posted - 2011.11.30 00:41:00 - [25] - Quote If they rebase the price every so often, they'll need to remove the tax price from it before doing so. (Oxygen is a tax of 50 per unit, btw)
Severian Carnifex 80	Posted - 2011.11.30 00:42:00 - [26] - Quote Teamosil wrote: Verity Sovereign wrote: Question: Did the cost of planetary launches from the command center (limited to 500 m3 as often as you can keep doing expedited transfers to them) go up as well? Or it is possible to launch high tier, high value, items up 500m3 at a time and avoid the tax? The price of command center launches is pretty close to the price of using the customs office. For example, launching 333 coolant with the customs office costs 509k, launching it from the command center costs 439k. CCP... if you don't want to lower the price of Customs Office tax... please lower the price of Command Center launch so that that difference mean something... so that we can have a little bigger profit for much more trouble...
Zifrian Deep Space Innovations 39	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:32:00 - [27] - Quote I'm not really sure why they tax the jetcan exports so highly. I can understand using a PCO but if it's my command center? Anywho, best thing to do now is to wait out the price changes. Not exporting any PI for a bit until this gets changed or the prices stabilize. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! https://sourceforge.net/projects/eveiph/
BigDaddyMcFatSacks Space Olympics LLC 3	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:32:00 - [28] - Quote wow just tried to export some of my hi sec robotics, saw the cost and came here to see what was up. It's not worth the trouble at all with the new tax rate. PI was a pain in the ass but it paid, now its barely profitable. Hope this was a mistake otherwise PI in high sec is pretty much dead...
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association 3	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:37:00 - [29] - Quote Yeah, CCP just pretty much broke the economy. Taxes are at 22% in Metro.
electrostatus Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:56:00 - [30] - Quote I have just updated my PI profit calculator with the new tax rates and such. However, I haven't verified the taxes I saw on sisi two days ago and today. Any PI product will need to rise way up in costs because of these new tax rates. way up as in like, woah. PI Profit Calculator: calculates your profits and taxes of any PI product depending on how you built them!



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