You, personally, no, I doubt you have the patience. But others do, and they work for, or are alts of, goons, meaning they're part of your income too.

And, notice, neither of them denied the rats bit.

You, personally, no, I doubt you have the patience. But others do, and they work for, or are alts of, goons, meaning they're part of your income too.

And, notice, neither of them denied the rats bit.

Nobody mines in 0.0 (except maybe Intrepid Crossing, but they are the exception that proves the point). Other activities make so much ISK that 0.0 dwellers who need minerals can just buy them from high sec peons who lick asteroids 23/7 for pennies.

The only real mineral source in 0.0 is drone rats (drone goo refines into minerals) and that's probably where most of the high end materials come (=ratting). Prices would have to rise considerably before there is much point in mining the 0.0 rocks.

If you are losing clones in lowsec, you are doing it very wrong. I have only lost one pod in empire in the last 2 years, despite nearly 200 ship losses.

And with proper ships and scouting, losing haulers should be extremely rare.

Seriously.

Risk : Reward, retards. If you won't risk doing PI where it is valuable ... you don't get to reap the rewards.

Working as intended, finally.

It's fun to see a goonswarm alt like Regneir try and troll.

Mostly because if they, say, nerfed rats, moons, and arknor into the ground like PI, they'd be one of hte first groups to line up and scream.

^^ This, Im done. Yeah, yeah I know I can simply offset this by raising my own prices and raping customers, but thats OK, ill pass.

Done.

Contemplating shutting down my towers now, since high sec PI has been gutted. And with no towers, 50% of this game is not worth bothering with. Will make a decision to stick with no PI/Industry, or just bail (4 accounts).

And yes, this is an alt.

All complaining about taxes are rateards just recalculate all prices and start sell at new price if you sell at old price you are dump as hell and you deserve to lose. Fack some people just don't want adapt and learn.

Old tariffs vs new tariffs (as a percentage of the market price of the item).

P0 paid 0.10 ISK/u on products worth 1.50-3.50 (about 2.8% to 6.67%)
P1 paid 0.76 ISK/u on products worth 200-800 (anywhere from 0.095% to 0.38%)
P2 paid 9.00 ISK/u on stuff worth 6k-10k (about 0.09% to 0.15%)
P3 paid 600 ISK/u on stuff worth 35k to 70k (0.86% to 1.7%)
P4 paid 100000 ISK on stuff worth 500k to 1200k (8.3% to 20%)

Under today's prices and the new CONCORD tariffs:

P0 - 10% to 20% effective rate
P1 - 6.7% to 33%
P2 - 7.5% to 17%
P3 - 6% to 11%
P4 - 6% to 12%

Under the old system, the tariffs on P1/P2 were a joke compared to the other tiers. So everyone got lazy and stopped including those tariffs in their import/export calculations. Even the P3 tariffs were a bit of a joke. From a point of consistency, the new tariffs make a lot more sense across the P1-P4 tiers. As the cheaper P1/P2 products rise a bit in value, you'll see 6-12% tariffs across all of the tiers.

Now you have to pay attention to the tariffs and decide how many steps you want to do on a single planet. The more effort you put in (and the more tiers that you can skip), the better positioned you will be to make a profit at a price point below what your competitor (who is stuck in the old mindset) can survive at.

Yea recalculate, but who will buy if there are others selling under this price because they have no tax? Like the diference between Veldspar mining crystal II made from invented BPC and BPO. I dont want to whine about T2 BPO. I just want to say, that noone will buy my Veldspar crystal II from invented -4/-4 BPC for 200k if they are selling for 100k from 20/x researched BPO.

No, we don't. I can guarantee you that nobody in Goonwaffe mines and if you ever find someone who does I promise I will ask the Directorate for authority to give them an incredibly demeaning title or shoot them.

Then you should better watch what is happening in Deklein.

5S-KXA, industry level 5 (B: 7)
85-B52, industry level 4 (B: 10)
3JN9-Q, industry level 3 (B: 14)
O-2RNZ, industry level 1 (B: 8+3)
K5F-Z2, industry level 2 (B: 8)
AD-CBT, industry level 1 (B: 16)
R8S-1K, industry level 2 (B 6+1)

Industry index is maintained only with mining. Maybe in Goonwaffe nobody mines, but not in CONDI. Or is it some carebear slaves (bots?) working for you ?

Have you considered Economics 101?

--usual "opportunity cost"/"minerals are free" goose-stepping snipped--

Why are so many people so bad at math and basic business logic? Has TV and today's education mushed the brains of everyone or what...!?

Then you should better watch what is happening in Deklein.

5S-KXA, industry level 5 (B: 7)
85-B52, industry level 4 (B: 10)
3JN9-Q, industry level 3 (B: 14)
O-2RNZ, industry level 1 (B: 8+3)
K5F-Z2, industry level 2 (B: 8)
AD-CBT, industry level 1 (B: 16)
R8S-1K, industry level 2 (B 6+1)

Industry index is maintained only with mining. Maybe in Goonwaffe nobody mines, but not in CONDI. Or is it some carebear slaves (bots?) working for you ?

---gets caught in a lie---- BUT OTHERS ARE DOING IT MORE!!!

12m m3 to reach it, 6m m3 to maintain it, it seems.

Well, that just makes whomever it is that's mining enough to get that system to level 5 are even dumber motherfuckers than initially thought.