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Aston Martin DB5
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2014.12.21 01:26:24 -
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Here let me help you out: Add damage modifier x100 to your skill queue. Problem solved! |

Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
991
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Posted - 2014.12.21 01:29:22 -
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Nexus Day wrote:...You train into a cloaky bomber, read one post on how to fire bombs, and profit. ....
Solo bombers rarely kill anything, unless something tiny and squishy has it's MWD on. Solo TORP bombers, on the other hand, can kill ratting battleships easily, especially if the BS tank is already pressured by rats and the PVE dude is the sort of excitable pilot who fat-fingers things when faced with the conscious aggression only another player can provide. Your post shows more opinion than insight. Please head to the deepest most troubled waters you can find for a few months and watch your outlook change.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2014.12.22 11:50:21 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Cyndrogen wrote:
PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets.
Everyone does better in fleets. The point of flying solo is to challenge yourself and become better on your own without needing a crutch. Nothing in this game has been more thrilling for me, personally, than solo pvp, whether I'm winning or losing. I realized you hit the nail on the head for me. Yes, I never have had a kill. But my solos fights, they are so much fun. I've taken on 4 ships, had 3 down to the hull before dying. Someday, I'm gonna kill some of them before I die......Someday...
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1080
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Posted - 2014.12.23 02:49:47 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Nexus Day wrote:You stay in the game for years and then pick victims with lesser gear that cannot in a million years break your tank. Are you sure you posted in the right game forum? Yeah, welcome to EvE!
Step One: Pick a ship with a natural high tank.
Step Two: Add to the tank with Tech 2 defense modules. But you won't need many because you are hunting noobs.
Step Three: Find a noob in a PvP area. You know the ones that write post about their first PvP experience and how much they love dying and how much they learned.
Step Four: Watch them pound on your tank with Tech One weapons. You can really troll them by being hull tanked so they think they will have a chance.
Step Five: Open fire at your leisure. If it is a rookie ship one volley from your Tech Twos should suffice.
remember you don't get XP from achievements, just from sitting around. XP= Skill. Skill = Gear. Gear = Profit.
Edit: Caught one spelling error, probably more.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1080
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Posted - 2014.12.23 02:59:33 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Nexus Day wrote:...You train into a cloaky bomber, read one post on how to fire bombs, and profit. .... Solo bombers rarely kill anything, unless something tiny and squishy has it's MWD on. Solo TORP bombers, on the other hand, can kill ratting battleships easily, especially if the BS tank is already pressured by rats and the PVE dude is the sort of excitable pilot who fat-fingers things when faced with the conscious aggression only another player can provide. Your post shows more opinion than insight. Please head to the deepest most troubled waters you can find for a few months and watch your outlook change. Hanging out in wormholes doesn't count?
One suggestion from the many threads of how to be a solo bomber.
"If you are looking for large numbers of potential kill mails i would take my bomber to fountain and wait for some big battles to erupt. Right now there are 2100 people in PNQ fighting each other. Get a nice little bomb into the middle of that blob while they are fighting and you might find yourself on hundreds of kill mails.
I once did that in the middle of a fight between blast and panda team years ago and ended up on dozens of blast capital kill mails. It can work if you get a good perch set up on the battle and wait until they are engaged. As long as you are nuetral to everone on the field it can be entertaining. "
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
339
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Posted - 2014.12.23 05:57:39 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Take a frigate, scan down a mission running bear, shoot his mtu and/or steal his mission item, repeat till you find one that isn't a sissy, try kill him, warp out if it goes sideways on you (because they never have tackle), repeat till you no longer lose your **** under pressure  it works particularly well if you're in a frigate that takes a lot of micromanagement.
That is great advice.
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
339
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Posted - 2014.12.23 06:00:29 -
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Nexus Day wrote: "If you are looking for large numbers of potential kill mails i would take my bomber to fountain and wait for some big battles to erupt. Right now there are 2100 people in PNQ fighting each other. Get a nice little bomb into the middle of that blob while they are fighting and you might find yourself on hundreds of kill mails.
I once did that in the middle of a fight between blast and panda team years ago and ended up on dozens of blast capital kill mails. It can work if you get a good perch set up on the battle and wait until they are engaged. As long as you are nuetral to everone on the field it can be entertaining. "
It is way more fun if you're blue to one side and your bomb hits them. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5899
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Posted - 2014.12.23 07:01:03 -
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Cyndrogen wrote:I learned today that I am not good at PVP. No, actually I'm terrible at it. I don't understand the mechanics, it's difficult to watch modules, distance to ship and overall the GUI is pretty difficult for a beginner pvp pilot. Did I launch drones? Is the ship in range? Did I overheat my module? Did I stop overheating? Too many variables to keep track and in too many places and it moves so fast I forget what I'm doing!
I even had a decent fit and I still can't take down a simple destroyer hull. I got close, but I didn't notice he flew outside my rocket range because I was watching the hull.... bleh. How do you do it? Congrats to those with the patience to learn this, I think I prefer shooters and aiming with a mouse.
PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets.
I've been playing since 2006 and I'm still terrible at PVP.
Love playing the game though.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
829
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Posted - 2014.12.23 07:50:44 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:I'm playing 6 years...Never had a kill yet. I sucked so bad at PVP I just quit trying years ago. Now I find other things to do. If I get attacked I either escape or give up. I do play solo though. Join a corp. Corps don't want a 6 year old toon with no kills. The End... There are so many corps that take and teach nubcakes, I can't believe they won't take you just because of excessive SPs.
Brave, E-Uni (which has Low/Null/WH divisions and you can dive into at least first two right off the bat), RvB... They should take you if you want to join. OUCH (aka Open University of Celestial Hardships) kinda positions itself specifically as learning corp. Those are ones I know. Then there are many less known newbro-friendly corps, I'm sure you can find them on EVE-O or E-Uni recruitment boards. Use common sense while applying, but hey, that goes without saying. Then there are open communities like Spectre Fleet and Bombers Bar who occasionally offer training fleets. Agony does open lessons as well, as far as I can tell.
Just go ahead and try if that's what you're looking for.
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:shakes are normal
Forgetting everything is normal
Not understanding wtfeven happened is normal
The only solution for a new solo pvper? Fraps!
Trust me, do it. This is why anybody who suggests actual flight recorder to be implemented in the game gets instant +1 from me. |

VaIefar Drekavac
Independent Sharpshooters
8
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Posted - 2014.12.23 09:57:15 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:Cyndrogen wrote:BrundleMeth wrote:I'm playing 6 years...Never had a kill yet. I sucked so bad at PVP I just quit trying years ago. Now I find other things to do. If I get attacked I either escape or give up. I do play solo though. Join a corp. Corps don't want a 6 year old toon with no kills. The End... Eve was designed to punish solo play, it's monotonous, it's boring and repetitive on purpose. You are meant to team up.... I'm told "Never Trust Anyone"... So I wont...
You don't need to trust in order to "team up".
You just use them. |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1723
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Posted - 2014.12.23 12:58:12 -
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I'm a PvP nub, and what I do is record every fight, and take any fight I don't know I can't win.
Once you have recordings of a few different people killing you with the same ship, you'll have an idea of what to expect from that ship.
Also, accept that it is going to be a while before you remember to do even all the obvious things like launching drones.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2014.12.23 14:11:12 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:I'm a PvP nub, and what I do is record every fight, and take any fight I don't know I can't win.
Once you have recordings of a few different people killing you with the same ship, you'll have an idea of what to expect from that ship.
Also, accept that it is going to be a while before you remember to do even all the obvious things like launching drones.
So it is.
I am quite bad to and have to go a long way to break even. My mining alts have a hard time to keep my pvp expenses in check.
As Crumplecorn says: Check the killboards, check what was done to you. What equippment was used. Check the killboards of other fights. Compare the weapons, the charges.
Same as for miners: If the gankers always use Catalysts with void ammo, it is a wise idea to check what damage they do and what you need to counter this. Check for weaknesses. Void is close range, moving is wise.
In PvP keep those at distance. Greater ranges do less damage. I am playing a little more than a year and still there is stuff i understand better and better.
Always a good idea: check if you have enough ammo. I had an interesting fight when i ran out of ammo, cause i forgot to refill...
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Elena Morin'staal
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2014.12.23 14:42:16 -
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OP, I've been playing for about 6 and a half years, with breaks. Started PVEing with friends, my first taste of PVP was flying to meet some mates in my very first Hurricane, and taking a shortcut through Rancer. Guess how that turned out.
6 and a half years later, I still suck at PVP. I'm ok when I can fly a logi or recon in a fleet, but when it comes to Solo I'm freakin terrible.
On the other hand, I don't mind losing lots of cheap ships, and would rather fight and die than run away. So don't worry about whelping ships, its really not the end of the world, and can still be a lot of fun. After a few times, the "shakes" will drop to more handle-able adrenalin rush, and even when you die you can still have fun :) |

Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
74
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Posted - 2014.12.23 15:57:09 -
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I'm a pew PVP total noob too. I only managed to kill an Omen, on sisi with a 1v1 during a mass test, certainly by luck. But living in lowsec, as I do, teach you at least how to avoid pew PVP and gate camps. Better than nothing... I think that I will staying into the ninjain'g pvp avoidance until, one day, I will fit for a roaming fleet, but I don't like blob, and like someone else said, no one is interested to include you into a small gang fleet if you haven't any kill.
Keep it up, with your practice you will become better than many dudes and dudess in Eve.  |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9253
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Posted - 2014.12.23 16:03:29 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:I've never understood the attitude some have to 1v1 pvp, thinking it's somehow pure or a reflection of skill.
I blame TV and all those Rambo and Gladiator style movies. In real life even the best solo "gladiator" tended to do poorly aka die when outnumbered by as few as 2 simple badly trained conscript soldiers with pointy sticks lol.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7201
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Posted - 2014.12.23 16:07:31 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:I've never understood the attitude some have to 1v1 pvp, thinking it's somehow pure or a reflection of skill.
I blame TV and all those Rambo and Gladiator style movies. In real life even the best solo "gladiator" tended to do poorly aka die when outnumbered by as few as 2 simple badly trained conscript soldiers with pointy sticks lol.
Nah its Deathmatch FPS and LOL style gaming where teams are even and access to weapons is "fair".
The antithesis of survival.
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Yzen Danek
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.12.23 16:16:02 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:I've never understood the attitude some have to 1v1 pvp, thinking it's somehow pure or a reflection of skill.
I blame TV and all those Rambo and Gladiator style movies. In real life even the best solo "gladiator" tended to do poorly aka die when outnumbered by as few as 2 simple badly trained conscript soldiers with pointy sticks lol. Nah its Deathmatch FPS and LOL style gaming where teams are even and access to weapons is "fair". The antithesis of survival.
Or, you know, chess, tennis, or any other actual competitive endeavor that our society actually places value on. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9253
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Posted - 2014.12.23 16:40:00 -
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Yzen Danek wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:I've never understood the attitude some have to 1v1 pvp, thinking it's somehow pure or a reflection of skill.
I blame TV and all those Rambo and Gladiator style movies. In real life even the best solo "gladiator" tended to do poorly aka die when outnumbered by as few as 2 simple badly trained conscript soldiers with pointy sticks lol. Nah its Deathmatch FPS and LOL style gaming where teams are even and access to weapons is "fair". The antithesis of survival. Or, you know, chess, tennis, or any other competitive endeavor that our society actually places value on because they are measures of acute skill, talent, and training, instead of a mere willingness to throw an inordinate amount of time at assembling a gang in an online game.
EVE is simulating a futuristic high tech (but still virtual) world in a perpetual state of war, not a sport. Nothing wrong with solo pvp but the game is balanced along the lines of 'more is always better', like actual real life and unlike sports. That's what some of us like about the game, the 'fair' fight is the one where you live and the other guy dies.
The actual rules of EVE. |

Yzen Danek
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.12.23 16:49:09 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Yzen Danek wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:I've never understood the attitude some have to 1v1 pvp, thinking it's somehow pure or a reflection of skill.
I blame TV and all those Rambo and Gladiator style movies. In real life even the best solo "gladiator" tended to do poorly aka die when outnumbered by as few as 2 simple badly trained conscript soldiers with pointy sticks lol. Nah its Deathmatch FPS and LOL style gaming where teams are even and access to weapons is "fair". The antithesis of survival. Or, you know, chess, tennis, or any other competitive endeavor that our society actually places value on because they are measures of acute skill, talent, and training, instead of a mere willingness to throw an inordinate amount of time at assembling a gang in an online game. EVE is simulating a futuristic high tech (but still virtual) world in a perpetual state of war, not a sport. Nothing wrong with solo pvp but the game is balanced along the lines of 'more is always better', like actual real life and unlike sports. That's what some of us like about the game, the 'fair' fight is the one where you live and the other guy dies. The actual rules of EVE.
Yes, I understand what EVE is. It's perfectly nice to like the game.
It doesn't make one a higher class of gamer to like unstructured games over competitive ones, which is a sentiment I see repeatedly in this post and elsewhere on the site. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9255
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Posted - 2014.12.23 16:57:23 -
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Yzen Danek wrote:
Yes, I understand what EVE is. It's perfectly nice to like the game.
It doesn't make one a higher class of gamer to like unstructured games over competitive ones, which is a sentiment I see repeatedly in this post and elsewhere on the site.
You have it backwards. NO ONE chest thumps louder than 'solo' PVPrs (in this game or any game). I mean, some of them are so full of themselves because of their prowess in making other people's ships explode they make this guy look like he's not an arrogant jerk who hogs the ball (lol). The truth is, nothing any of us does in a video game amounts to a hill of beans and everyone knows that...execpt some solo pvprs...and Kobe Bryant 
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Yzen Danek
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.12.23 17:22:39 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Yzen Danek wrote:
Yes, I understand what EVE is. It's perfectly nice to like the game.
It doesn't make one a higher class of gamer to like unstructured games over competitive ones, which is a sentiment I see repeatedly in this post and elsewhere on the site.
You have it backwards. NO ONE chest thumps louder than 'solo' PVPrs (in this game or any game). I mean, some of them are so full of themselves because of their prowess in making other people's ships explode they make this guy look like he's not an arrogant jerk who hogs the ball (lol). The truth is, nothing any of us does in a video game amounts to a hill of beans and everyone knows that...execpt some solo pvprs...and Kobe Bryant 
On the front page of this site, I don't see any posts that are chest thumping solo PvPers saying really anything at all.
I do see a lot of posts containing chiefly self-congratulatory messaging among EVE veterans for, well, just being EVE veterans.
As someone trying to get a feel for what the EVE community is like, I have to say this site does not present it in a favorable light. |

Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
851
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Posted - 2014.12.23 18:42:23 -
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You yourself are the perfect example of the typical community member.
"Babies scream all the time, for no good reason" post
"This is hilarious. Watch it" post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9yugcNW_xI ("Fuck EVE!")
-- Sabriz Adoud
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Seven Koskanaiken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1392
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Posted - 2014.12.23 19:30:56 -
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I can't wait until I reach 100M SP so I can be part of Manfred Sideous' wrecking ball. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7202
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Posted - 2014.12.24 08:46:39 -
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Yzen Danek wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:I've never understood the attitude some have to 1v1 pvp, thinking it's somehow pure or a reflection of skill.
I blame TV and all those Rambo and Gladiator style movies. In real life even the best solo "gladiator" tended to do poorly aka die when outnumbered by as few as 2 simple badly trained conscript soldiers with pointy sticks lol. Nah its Deathmatch FPS and LOL style gaming where teams are even and access to weapons is "fair". The antithesis of survival. Or, you know, chess, tennis, or any other competitive endeavor that our society actually places value on because they are measures of acute skill, talent, and training, instead of a mere willingness to throw an inordinate amount of time at assembling a gang in an online game.
Your society.
Sports are measures of natural ability over trained skill, and actively remove any freedom of thought from the so-called competition.
In short, sports are games for the weak-minded.
"assembling a gang in an online game" has nothing to do with survival, or even what we are talking about.
Go back to your TV, sportsfan.
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
2908
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Posted - 2014.12.24 08:52:25 -
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Yzen Danek wrote:As someone trying to get a feel for what the EVE community is like, I have to say this site does not present it in a favorable light. Dude... your hair.
Wtf.
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
2323
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Posted - 2014.12.24 09:40:10 -
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The sheer scope of the PvP is what draws so many in. Most other games have PvP in an arena of some varying description with few consequences, and (this is key) few variables. EVE PvP is very similar to actual strategy in real conflicts, obviously not in impact, it is still a game; but the freedom and creativity EVE PvP allows is absolutely amazing. You're not plopped down in front of an opponent in honorable 1v1 (or 2v2, 4v4 whatever) space bushido combat in an arena. You have a galaxy full of people, resources, and geography to use and exploit against whoever is, or will be, blinking red on your overview.
In other PVP games, you employ tactics. EVE gives you the freedom to strategize.
Also, there's exploding spaceships. That's cool too.
"I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish
GSLLC Recruitment
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9267
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Posted - 2014.12.24 13:11:24 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: Sports are measures of natural ability over trained skill, and actively remove any freedom of thought from the so-called competition.
In short, sports are games for the weak-minded.
I know I'm not the 1st person to interact with 'leet solo pvp'rs in game and get an Erie feeling of deja vu about dealing with high school football players....all of whom were football/basketball Gods in their own minds, none of whom made it anywhere close to the NFL or NBA  |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7207
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Posted - 2014.12.24 13:15:02 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: Sports are measures of natural ability over trained skill, and actively remove any freedom of thought from the so-called competition.
In short, sports are games for the weak-minded.
I know I'm not the 1st person to interact with 'leet solo pvp'rs in game and get an Erie feeling of deja vu about dealing with high school football players....all of whom were football/basketball Gods in their own minds, none of whom made it anywhere close to the NFL or NBA 
Im probably exaggerating in my above statement.
But can you show me a sportsman with something useful or interesting to say?
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
869
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Posted - 2014.12.24 17:45:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: Sports are measures of natural ability over trained skill, and actively remove any freedom of thought from the so-called competition.
In short, sports are games for the weak-minded.
I know I'm not the 1st person to interact with 'leet solo pvp'rs in game and get an Erie feeling of deja vu about dealing with high school football players....all of whom were football/basketball Gods in their own minds, none of whom made it anywhere close to the NFL or NBA  Im probably exaggerating in my above statement. But can you show me a sportsman with something useful or interesting to say? Hulk Hogan created the whole business by himself and that would have never worked without talking. You can not deny that, at all. Without Hulks Hogan charisma and micskills there wouldn't be this multi-billion industry, the modern "Gladiators".
The Rock ... one of the best guys on the microphone, electrifying the masses.
CM Punks shoot promos are legendary. This guy is a master on the microphone and when he talks people always listen, because he always has something to say and usually it's straight honest, even against his own company or boss.
Don't forget ... wrestling is still a sport. If you don't believe that, I suggest letting yourself get dropped, thrown around and smacked a few times.
Most people here are weaklings ... I would love to see them go through a bit of pain ... ... just to laugh at them for being tough guys on the internet.
Anyhow. You asked ... I deliver. |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5677
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Posted - 2014.12.24 19:18:46 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:
Sports are measures of natural ability over trained skill, and actively remove any freedom of thought from the so-called competition.
In short, sports are games for the weak-minded.
This sounds like the excuses and rationalization of someone who didn't make the team or watched too many cliche movies about jocks and nerds.
Anyone who's been a contributing member of a decent high school athletics program would find your claims not only wrong but mildly offensive.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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