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Cyndrogen Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector 666	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:24:25 - [1] - Quote I learned today that I am not good at PVP. No, actually I'm terrible at it. I don't understand the mechanics, it's difficult to watch modules, distance to ship and overall the GUI is pretty difficult for a beginner pvp pilot. Did I launch drones? Is the ship in range? Did I overheat my module? Did I stop overheating? Too many variables to keep track and in too many places and it moves so fast I forget what I'm doing! I even had a decent fit and I still can't take down a simple destroyer hull. I got close, but I didn't notice he flew outside my rocket range because I was watching the hull.... bleh. How do you do it? Congrats to those with the patience to learn this, I think I prefer shooters and aiming with a mouse. PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1217	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:28:41 - [2] - Quote How did you get exactly 666 likes ? That's a cool trick.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 7479	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:31:12 - [3] - Quote Take a frigate, scan down a mission running bear, shoot his mtu and/or steal his mission item, repeat till you find one that isn't a sissy, try kill him, warp out if it goes sideways on you (because they never have tackle), repeat till you no longer lose your **** under pressure. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
DaReaper Net 7 1441	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:32:21 - [4] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: I learned today that I am not good at PVP. No, actually I'm terrible at it. I don't understand the mechanics, it's difficult to watch modules, distance to ship and overall the GUI is pretty difficult for a beginner pvp pilot. Did I launch drones? Is the ship in range? Did I overheat my module? Did I stop overheating? Too many variables to keep track and in too many places and it moves so fast I forget what I'm doing! I even had a decent fit and I still can't take down a simple destroyer hull. I got close, but I didn't notice he flew outside my rocket range because I was watching the hull.... bleh. How do you do it? Congrats to those with the patience to learn this, I think I prefer shooters and aiming with a mouse. PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets. You learn. You go 'oh that fit failed.. well lets try again but maybe if I do this...' practice, practice, practice. or you join a pvp school. There are plently that will teach you about fittings, solo pvp, group pvp, etc. Mostly its trial and error and reseach OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Paranoid Loyd 3028	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:32:44 - [5] - Quote Your fit was fine. Your target selection was the problem. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Cyndrogen Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector 666	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:33:49 - [6] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Your fit was fine. Your target selection was the problem. we had almost identical fits, only his had more pew pew pew I tanked well until my 7th charge was depleted.
Cyndrogen Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector 666	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:35:19 - [7] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Take a frigate, scan down a mission running bear, shoot his mtu and/or steal his mission item, repeat till you find one that isn't a sissy, try kill him, warp out if it goes sideways on you (because they never have tackle), repeat till you no longer lose your **** under pressure it works particularly well if you're in a frigate that takes a lot of micromanagement. I'm trying to skill up my pvp, what better way then going up against FW pilots? I'm sure carebears are ez targets but I am trying to learn flying mechanics, when to orbit when to pull back etc etc
Paranoid Loyd 3028	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:35:43 - [8] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Your fit was fine. Your target selection was the problem. we had almost identical fits, only his had more pew pew pew I tanked well until my 7th charge was depleted. The only similarity between a frigate and a destroyer is the size guns they use, not sure what you mean. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Cyndrogen Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector 666	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:36:06 - [9] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Cyndrogen wrote: I learned today that I am not good at PVP. No, actually I'm terrible at it. I don't understand the mechanics, it's difficult to watch modules, distance to ship and overall the GUI is pretty difficult for a beginner pvp pilot. Did I launch drones? Is the ship in range? Did I overheat my module? Did I stop overheating? Too many variables to keep track and in too many places and it moves so fast I forget what I'm doing! I even had a decent fit and I still can't take down a simple destroyer hull. I got close, but I didn't notice he flew outside my rocket range because I was watching the hull.... bleh. How do you do it? Congrats to those with the patience to learn this, I think I prefer shooters and aiming with a mouse. PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets. You learn. You go 'oh that fit failed.. well lets try again but maybe if I do this...' practice, practice, practice. or you join a pvp school. There are plently that will teach you about fittings, solo pvp, group pvp, etc. Mostly its trial and error and reseach Well the fit is solid, I can't do better, if you can make a suggestion how to make it better please do. I think I need better piloting skills not a better fit.
Karl Hobb Imperial Margarine 2142	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:37:27 - [10] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: repeat till you no longer lose your ** under pressure ^ This. Once you've calmed the ** down you'll start noticing all the little things. That's why so many people recommend you go out and lose 30 frigates. A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Ioci Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 529	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:37:48 - [11] - Quote You will find if you focus on the minutiae of anything in EVE we suck as stand alone capsuleers. While we still suck at the per capita level in groups, a fleet of any kind eliminates having it thrown in your face and you don't walk away demoralized. R.I.P. Vile Rat
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7560	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:41:22 - [12] - Quote Go take an Agony Unleashed class. Some returning vets even do that when they've been out of the game long enough to feel useless at PVP. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Cyndrogen Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector 666	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:41:31 - [13] - Quote Ioci wrote: You will find if you focus on the minutiae of anything in EVE we suck as stand alone capsuleers. While we still suck at the per capita level in groups, a fleet of any kind eliminates having it thrown in your face and you don't walk away demoralized. If I keep up this rate of fail, I will blow up around 10 ships an hour or more. Good for the economy sure, but I feel like my piloting skills are not improving much... I wish I could pause and play back my fights. I guess I could use fraps.
Cyndrogen Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector 666	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:42:58 - [14] - Quote Karl Hobb wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: repeat till you no longer lose your ** under pressure ^ This. Once you've calmed the ** down you'll start noticing all the little things. That's why so many people recommend you go out and lose 30 frigates. 10 or so down, I'm on my way. ;) I think it will take a lot more then 30 ships though
Cyndrogen Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector 666	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:46:07 - [15] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Cyndrogen wrote: we had almost identical fits, The only similarity between a frigate and a destroyer is the size guns they use, not sure what you mean. Destroyer hulls are paper thin usually, while they have more dps. I can tank the dps, sorta, but in this case instead of killing his hull, like i should have done, I allowed him to fly outside my rocket range while he continued to shoot my ship.
Ioci Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 529	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:52:21 - [16] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: Ioci wrote: You will find if you focus on the minutiae of anything in EVE we suck as stand alone capsuleers. While we still suck at the per capita level in groups, a fleet of any kind eliminates having it thrown in your face and you don't walk away demoralized. If I keep up this rate of fail, I will blow up around 10 ships an hour or more. Good for the economy sure, but I feel like my piloting skills are not improving much... I wish I could pause and play back my fights. I guess I could use fraps. Certain ships beat certain ships. I don't know what your working assets look like but usually strategy in EVE involves switching hulls more than switching fits. Or switching target hulls to one your hull was designed to beat. Or play EVE as it has come to be defined as. Gank em. R.I.P. Vile Rat
Karl Hobb Imperial Margarine 2142	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:56:33 - [17] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: 10 or so down, I'm on my way. ;) I think it will take a lot more then 30 ships though Maybe try re-arranging your viewport? Alcohol (my most recent loss was very lucid, I remember managing heat, range, watching the bars, losing, all while fairly drunk)? vOv Just saying, after a few hilarious fights I was feeling like I could manage all the information OKAY. Remember, even the pr0s out there miss stuff, and they love pointing it out if they've Fraps'ed their fights. Anyway, good luck out there! A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Cyndrogen Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector 666	Posted - 2014.12.16 01:23:43 - [18] - Quote Karl Hobb wrote: Cyndrogen wrote: 10 or so down, I'm on my way. ;) I think it will take a lot more then 30 ships though Maybe try re-arranging your viewport? Alcohol (my most recent loss was very lucid, I remember managing heat, range, watching the bars, losing, all while fairly drunk)? vOv Just saying, after a few hilarious fights I was feeling like I could manage all the information OKAY. Remember, even the pr0s out there miss stuff, and they love pointing it out if they've Fraps'ed their fights. Anyway, good luck out there! Do you have a better arrangement? Can I see it? Mine is probably fail terrible and spread out too much.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4087	Posted - 2014.12.16 02:34:34 - [19] - Quote OP keep working at it. My first few engagements I got intense shakes. Those calm down over time, although I still get them whenever I engage in a more expensive ship. Just remember - your ship is a consumable, no less ephemeral than a potion in other games. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 7484	Posted - 2014.12.16 02:59:05 - [20] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: Karl Hobb wrote: Cyndrogen wrote: 10 or so down, I'm on my way. ;) I think it will take a lot more then 30 ships though Maybe try re-arranging your viewport? Alcohol (my most recent loss was very lucid, I remember managing heat, range, watching the bars, losing, all while fairly drunk)? vOv Just saying, after a few hilarious fights I was feeling like I could manage all the information OKAY. Remember, even the pr0s out there miss stuff, and they love pointing it out if they've Fraps'ed their fights. Anyway, good luck out there! Do you have a better arrangement? Can I see it? Mine is probably fail terrible and spread out too much. Here's mine. Sortof, this is from sisi (the test server) so it's a tad different than my normal tq one but not in any substantial way. I play drunk a fair amount so I like to have the modules, drones,targets and selected item really close to each other to minimize the amount of distance to cover with the mouse, I always try to have modules in the same place in the ui on each ship I'm flying so my hand can remember where itt is and I can tell from my peripheral vision what's going on there (overheating being a great example). the blackened bit is another client with my booster/scouting toon that I can just click on to bring up if I need to (but I can still keep an eye on) . Also , this might be of interest. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Seven Koskanaiken Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1376	Posted - 2014.12.16 03:27:16 - [21] - Quote Don't have to be good. Just less worse than the other guy.
Karl Hobb Imperial Margarine 2145	Posted - 2014.12.16 04:07:13 - [22] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Cyndrogen wrote: Do you have a better arrangement? Can I see it? Mine is probably fail terrible and spread out too much. Here's mine. Sortof, this is from sisi (the test server) so it's a tad different than my normal tq one but not in any substantial way. It's all personal preference (quoting Ralph for ease of clicking links). Mine is a bit different because of muscle memory, hotkeys, and I rely on the server's 1-second heartbeat to account for my laziness; I've had it set up similarly since '11. But Ralph's undoubtedly has its benefits over mine. A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Serene Repose 1752	Posted - 2014.12.16 10:47:13 - [23] - Quote It's what you said specifically. Rockets? Those are in-your-face weapons. If you're using short range weapons, distance from target is way more important than anything else, unless you're pulling the plug and looking for a way out - a point you already had in mind before you started, right? If you're going to lose control of range, then use light missiles, not rockets. Take it from a freighter pilot. Even I know that. Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
knobber Jobbler Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 493	Posted - 2014.12.16 14:55:21 - [24] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Your fit was fine. Your target selection was the problem. With 700 Ishtars on scan, what could possibly be the issue.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1910	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:08:19 - [25] - Quote Fight people you can kill. That's literally all there is to it.
Celthric Kanerian Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation 155	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:20:05 - [26] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: I got close, but I didn't notice he flew outside my rocket . How long does it take you to do missions then...??
Dersen Lowery Drinking in Station 1373	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:35:59 - [27] - Quote The somewhat lower-risk way that I took once I realized that the run-all-the-things, cap-stable mission fits I'd be using were doing me more harm than good was to outfit a cap-injected, active-tanked, MWD, drone-launching neutron blaster Brutix and take it into L3s. It's an absolutely horrible mission boat, but that was the whole point: It forced me to get used to pulsing (especially the MWD, because ~blasters~). I could flail and fail and chew through far too many cap boosters in relative safety, and stop once I got comfortable with that level of active management. The advantages of that approach over the PVP approach are that you can isolate the problem of learning to manage your own ship until you're good at it, and the risk is comparatively low and rat spawns are far enough apart to make MWD management a thing that you have to worry about. The disadvantages are that you don't shake the PVP shakes, and you learn nothing about the current metas, or about which engagements to take and which to avoid and why. Agony and OUCH are both good "learn to PVP" alliances. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
Prt Scr 569th Freelancers 94	Posted - 2014.12.16 17:00:58 - [28] - Quote set your chosen orbit range and then open fire (when at it) This is my signature, there are many like it , but this one is mine
Rhea Rankin Nolen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2014.12.16 20:39:06 - [29] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: I even had a decent fit and I still can't take down a simple destroyer hull. I got close, but I didn't notice he flew outside my rocket range because I was watching the hull.... bleh. How do you do it? PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets. This is a perfect example how high skill points(or decent fits) mean nothing without piloting skills. Yes, for a beginner pvp in EvE is hard, solo pvp is even harder, but the rewards of mastering it make it all the sweeter.
Cyndrogen Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector 667	Posted - 2014.12.16 22:09:38 - [30] - Quote Dersen Lowery wrote: The somewhat lower-risk way that I took once I realized that the run-all-the-things, cap-stable mission fits I'd be using were doing me more harm than good was to outfit a cap-injected, active-tanked, MWD, drone-launching neutron blaster Brutix and take it into L3s. It's an absolutely horrible mission boat, but that was the whole point: It forced me to get used to pulsing (especially the MWD, because ~blasters~). I could flail and fail and chew through far too many cap boosters in relative safety, and stop once I got comfortable with that level of active management. The advantages of that approach over the PVP approach are that you can isolate the problem of learning to manage your own ship until you're good at it, and the risk is comparatively low and rat spawns are far enough apart to make MWD management a thing that you have to worry about. The disadvantages are that you don't shake the PVP shakes, and you learn nothing about the current metas, or about which engagements to take and which to avoid and why. Agony and OUCH are both good "learn to PVP" alliances. You lost me at "missions"
Cyndrogen Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector 667	Posted - 2014.12.16 22:13:04 - [31] - Quote Rhea Rankin Nolen wrote: Cyndrogen wrote: I even had a decent fit and I still can't take down a simple destroyer hull. I got close, but I didn't notice he flew outside my rocket range because I was watching the hull.... bleh. How do you do it? PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets. This is a perfect example how high skill points(or decent fits) mean nothing without piloting skills. Yes, for a beginner pvp in EvE is hard, solo pvp is even harder, but the rewards of mastering it make it all the sweeter. I hear ya loud and clear, I don't understand what happens to me though when I engage someone. My mind behaves differently. I know I have to keep range and be within a certain distance but I experience some sort of mental block caused by adrenaline??? I don't know I just need to fight through it, and remember to fire all the things, overheat all the things, keep in range all the things and watch my own shields and armor always... I'm still not flying with reflex gut feelings, it's still very much a "remember you need to do A before you do B" instead of just instinctively knowing to do it. I use to forget to launch drones before when I engaged someone, is that typical?
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 306	Posted - 2014.12.16 22:36:19 - [32] - Quote I'm playing 6 years...Never had a kill yet. I sucked so bad at PVP I just quit trying years ago. Now I find other things to do. If I get attacked I either escape or give up. I do play solo though. Join a corp. Corps don't want a 6 year old toon with no kills. The End...
Cyndrogen Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector 667	Posted - 2014.12.16 22:41:26 - [33] - Quote BrundleMeth wrote: I'm playing 6 years...Never had a kill yet. I sucked so bad at PVP I just quit trying years ago. Now I find other things to do. If I get attacked I either escape or give up. I do play solo though. Join a corp. Corps don't want a 6 year old toon with no kills. The End... Eve was designed to punish solo play, it's monotonous, it's boring and repetitive on purpose. You are meant to team up.... My issue is finding fleets in my timezone and corps are not a good way to do that. Incursions are a good way to earn isk, but I'm interested in earning experience, something very different. I want PVP experience both solo and in gangs. There are some good groups out there like the Spectre fleet, been flying with them and learning to about pvp but still there is no way to teach experience. You just have to do it over and over and humans are the most dangerous prey.
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 306	Posted - 2014.12.16 23:34:43 - [34] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: BrundleMeth wrote: I'm playing 6 years...Never had a kill yet. I sucked so bad at PVP I just quit trying years ago. Now I find other things to do. If I get attacked I either escape or give up. I do play solo though. Join a corp. Corps don't want a 6 year old toon with no kills. The End... Eve was designed to punish solo play, it's monotonous, it's boring and repetitive on purpose. You are meant to team up.... I'm told "Never Trust Anyone"... So I wont...
Nishachara Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 11	Posted - 2014.12.16 23:36:10 - [35] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: ... I always try to have modules in the same place in the ui on each ship I'm flying so my hand can remember where itt is... ..Yesterday one of two caracals escaped from me when i killed the first because i was smashing f4 which is scram/point on most of my ships but on my sleip scram was actually at f5... and thats only one example... ..so.. OP ..mistakes happen to everybody... don't be dismayed but try again ^^ also in frigates i don't engage destroyers... it coud be done but a margin for your error is very small... good luck ;) Edit: Also about some people pointing out of practicing in missions somewhat... I agree with this one to an extent, i practiced a lot in 600 Mil cap not even close stable, but with boosters ( always to few ) nano ( yup for missions ) tempest fleet issiue... if i make a mistake i lose a more than half a Bil ship ( to rats ! )... You practice a lot of micromanagment habbits that way and to keep your cool... But you can't practice real pvp situations in missions thou, just the brain to keep track of all things you need too...
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 2725	Posted - 2014.12.17 00:47:28 - [36] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: Rhea Rankin Nolen wrote: Cyndrogen wrote: I even had a decent fit and I still can't take down a simple destroyer hull. I got close, but I didn't notice he flew outside my rocket range because I was watching the hull.... bleh. How do you do it? PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets. This is a perfect example how high skill points(or decent fits) mean nothing without piloting skills. Yes, for a beginner pvp in EvE is hard, solo pvp is even harder, but the rewards of mastering it make it all the sweeter. I hear ya loud and clear, I don't understand what happens to me though when I engage someone. My mind behaves differently. I know I have to keep range and be within a certain distance but I experience some sort of mental block caused by adrenaline??? I don't know I just need to fight through it, and remember to fire all the things, overheat all the things, keep in range all the things and watch my own shields and armor always... I'm still not flying with reflex gut feelings, it's still very much a "remember you need to do A before you do B" instead of just instinctively knowing to do it. I use to forget to launch drones before when I engaged someone, is that typical? shakes are normal Forgetting everything is normal Not understanding wtfeven happened is normal The only solution for a new solo pvper? Fraps! Trust me, do it. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Cannibal Kane Blood Raiders Elite 4526	Posted - 2014.12.17 01:59:27 - [37] - Quote Situation awareness is key in PVP. Not so much if you fly with others and taking orders. Just keep practicing. To some it comes very quickly to others not so they stick with the taking orders part. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 7512	Posted - 2014.12.17 02:36:21 - [38] - Quote Nishachara wrote: Also about some people pointing out of practicing in missions somewhat... mission runners dude. won't teach you the finer points but its a good way to get some confidence up. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Remiel Pollard Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds 6201	Posted - 2014.12.17 05:02:29 - [39] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets. Everyone does better in fleets. The point of flying solo is to challenge yourself and become better on your own without needing a crutch. Nothing in this game has been more thrilling for me, personally, than solo pvp, whether I'm winning or losing. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Laken Starr Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 30	Posted - 2014.12.17 09:12:52 - [40] - Quote I'm probably worse. I've been playing Eve off and on for over four years now, and I don't think I've ever fired my guns at another player so far (station trading and mining don't really lend themselves well to pew pew). I realized that I'm probably missing out on a big part of the Eve experience, hence why I joined OUCH. I've heard good things about Agony Unleashed, too.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7048	Posted - 2014.12.17 09:34:48 - [41] - Quote Everything is hard Everything is scary Everything is massively unfair Solo anything is even harder, scarier and unfair than all of the other ways The trick is to make it hard, scary and unfair on your target I get the impression the OP is looking for fair fights. No such animal found on the EvE Database. If you fly a Frigate against a Destroyer, you are doing it the wrong way around. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
Schmata Bastanold In Boobiez We Trust 2963	Posted - 2014.12.17 09:45:18 - [42] - Quote Whole point of existence of destroyers is to be hard counter to frigates. So when you are trying to learn fighting and it is frig vs dessie YOU should be in destroyer not in frigate. Sure, frigates kill destroyers. They also kill BS or caps. But they kill those things because their pilots do not learn anymore, they already know this stuff. Baby steps is the key to pvp in Eve. You will faceplant a lot, you will lose a lot but at one point pieces of puzzle will fall into place and you will "get it". Also you might want to simplify your fits at the beginning, fly more passive fits so you could focus on actual fight instead of having 20 things to take care of. Scram/web/ab in mids, plate/dc/(gyro/te) in lows, full gank highs and rigs to taste. This way you basically click point and web and start shooting and all you have to care about is range. Invalid signature format
Don Purple 1080	Posted - 2014.12.17 09:45:23 - [43] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: I learned today that I am not good at PVP. No, actually I'm terrible at it. I don't understand the mechanics, it's difficult to watch modules, distance to ship and overall the GUI is pretty difficult for a beginner pvp pilot. Did I launch drones? Is the ship in range? Did I overheat my module? Did I stop overheating? Too many variables to keep track and in too many places and it moves so fast I forget what I'm doing! I even had a decent fit and I still can't take down a simple destroyer hull. I got close, but I didn't notice he flew outside my rocket range because I was watching the hull.... bleh. How do you do it? Congrats to those with the patience to learn this, I think I prefer shooters and aiming with a mouse. PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets. Oh you are just a treat :D I am just here to snuggle.
Solj RichPopolous Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 103	Posted - 2014.12.17 13:55:29 - [44] - Quote Most will never grasp the concepts involved. And id be willing to be 99% of the posters on this thread are doormats. The thing about EVE is most people never really get good at it. They either get more numbers and blob you, or they use a cookie cutter fit that occasionally works. Once you figure out the game though its pretty easy, you just must aspire to do so and not fall into the cookie cutter trap. As it stands its IMPOSSIBLE for me to lose in a 1v1 fight with cruiser sized hulls and below. If anyone wants to challenge this I accept all comers and will have it FRAPSed and posted for all to see how easy people are in this game. My only sport now is getting into fights that are usually 10 v 1. The thing to take away from this is learn the game. Don't follow the same cookie cutter crap everyone tells you that you have to do because thats just what it is crap. Also if you'd like to learn from the best we have a corp in our alliance for aspiring pvpers such as yourself, where you will be able to learn proper gameplay and tactics. Not just the run of the mill "im a PVP god" because i have x amount of logi or im in a blob mentality the rest seem to have.
Sol Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 295	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:17:47 - [45] - Quote Believe this guy, he's actually knowing what he is talking about.
flaming phantom T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 56	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:20:22 - [46] - Quote It is definitely hard, I have also always struggled with solo pvp, but i'm getting better. There is just so much going on at once, especially with how fast frig fights can be, that I just can't pay attention to it. Like others have suggested, I would highly recommend recording (Fraps is great) your fights. After the fight, review the video and try and see what you did wrong, and what you could have done better. Also learning what to engage in which ships is key. For example, I have a ship that i use tracking disruptors on and I don't engage missile ships with it because y advantage is nullified. Try making a ship with a mwd, scram and web and then hunt down ships that you know are kiters. shouldn't be too hard to pop them since their tank is usually weak, and their long distance guns won't be so effective against you at close ranges. All great men have mustaches
Cyndrogen Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector 675	Posted - 2014.12.19 22:54:56 - [47] - Quote flaming phantom wrote: It is definitely hard, I have also always struggled with solo pvp, but i'm getting better. There is just so much going on at once, especially with how fast frig fights can be, that I just can't pay attention to it. Like others have suggested, I would highly recommend recording (Fraps is great) your fights. After the fight, review the video and try and see what you did wrong, and what you could have done better. Also learning what to engage in which ships is key. For example, I have a ship that i use tracking disruptors on and I don't engage missile ships with it because y advantage is nullified. Try making a ship with a mwd, scram and web and then hunt down ships that you know are kiters. shouldn't be too hard to pop them since their tank is usually weak, and their long distance guns won't be so effective against you at close ranges. how did the term kite get started?
Mara Gus Egg separator cooperative 6	Posted - 2014.12.19 22:56:29 - [48] - Quote is no pvp on eve is gang bang real
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7144	Posted - 2014.12.20 00:47:08 - [49] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: how did the term kite get started? Its from the 1964 American film Mary Poppins, more specifically the song "(Let's all fly) A Kite"; where in flying a kite is alluded to as being as much fun as neuting and pointing a Hulk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA-g8YYPKVo "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 20561	Posted - 2014.12.20 01:37:37 - [50] - Quote I'm not good at EVE PVP either, but I was flying around with Sol once and he told me to zoom out. Learning to be situationally aware is my biggest challenge, and knowing where you are sitting and moving with respect to other ships in your vicinity is crucial. Friendship is the best ship. Sabriz for CSM go go go
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 540	Posted - 2014.12.20 01:53:25 - [51] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: how did the term kite get started? When you hold a flying kite into the wind ... ... and move towards or away from it ... ... then you're kiting. :)
Icarus Able Revenant Tactical 514	Posted - 2014.12.20 02:01:31 - [52] - Quote Literally everything in your post happens to every newbie. Even the pros make mistakes they just make less. Over time you get used to micromanaging everything.What i found useful for practice is doing my Pve in undertanked ships. SO you get used to keeping range, keeping up transversal, heating correctly etc. The other way to do it is get a friend go onto SiSi and buy 100 ships and 1v1 each other.
Antihrist Pripravnik T-AFK and counting 844	Posted - 2014.12.20 02:42:25 - [53] - Quote What I liked to do when I was learning to PvP all those years ago is to eliminate as much variables as possible during the fight. Yes, it was overwhelming for me as well for a good while, but I've learned in steps. What do I mean by eliminating variables? Well, if you want to forget about capacitor, fly ships that don't depend on capacitor (like passive tanked missile or projectile ships) and avoid fighting anything that can drain your capacitor and make you think about it. Buffer (passive) tanked ships are also eliminating the need to pay attention to tanking modules (shield boosters and armor repairers). Range of your guns should be a decision made when you plan the fit and your potential targets. For each ship there are only really two basic ranges - short range and long range. Use one ship for a while to get used to its short and long ranges and it will stick in your memory. If you feel that managing drones in a battle is too much information to process at once at a given point of time (I used to regularly forget to even use drones in battle on numerous occasions myself), pick ships that do not have drone bays or whose drones are just a secondary helpful, but not critical weapon. Movement can be eliminated as something you should think about with picking the right target for your ship (and fit). For example, if you plan to be faster than your target, you are the one who owns the space and dictates movement. Increasing your relative speed to you opponent's ship can either be done by kiting and having more speed than your opponent, or by lowering opponent's speed with stasis webifiers, warp disruptors (since the shut down microwarp drives) or energy neutralizers (since the drain capacitor from opponent's ship so that he won't have enough capacitor to turn on an afterburner or a microwarpdrive) I've learned like that.... By flying the simplest ship that I could think of (passive tanked Drake) for a good amount of time. Then I've introduced more variables when I felt that I have mastered the ones already present. I hope this helps *Anti's PvE Video Guides - constantly updated*
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 990	Posted - 2014.12.20 05:10:16 - [54] - Quote I've never understood the attitude some have to 1v1 pvp, thinking it's somehow pure or a reflection of skill. Running a camp or a bash can require awareness of activity in a whole constellation, leading 20 pilots into a wormhole for some tourism/terrorism/pve is another whole game. Solo pvp is mostly a lowsec thing for me, as much as possible i like it to be max dps vs a hauler. Endless frig-dessie-cruiser smackdown is only fun for a fortnight or so. The most profitable, exciting and significant-to-the-map engagements are small gang and big fleet action in sov null. Anyone who scorns these as only for those who follow orders is a bit stuck up, or has the sort of temperament that can't find a place in a group. The best solo pvper will never own a station, or a system or any territory. Relevance is relevance. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
JMD Psedotek Inc. 13	Posted - 2014.12.20 07:37:33 - [55] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsvyjePPFRs Just going to leave this here, I think it captures the general feeling of trying to calm down in pvp starting out. As for me I like to pop into WHs scream "Everybody run! They are coming this way!" and then leave. I think the biggest thing is just have fun, don't worry about kills/losses. Skill comes with time. I've also heard it helps to buy your ship and fittings in bulk, 10 or 20 complete sets in a staging system so it cuts down on the time of getting everything set up. You can just throw it together quickly and get back out into the fight.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 586	Posted - 2014.12.20 11:58:47 - [56] - Quote Hi OP Another nice way to solo PvP in EVE is to gank stuff in Highsec. As always it is completely different than other forms of PvP and you have to know some different game mechanics like how CONCORD and Faction Police react to aggression and security status. You can gank with only one character or with a gank character and a scout. This depends a bit on what you want to kill. I list you some sources for more information on this if you are interested. If not, just ignore my post. General information about ganking and tactics used to work in Highsec as a -10 char: http://www.minerbumping.com/p/blog-page.html Tippas blog post on CONCORD response times: http://blog.beyondreality.se/TTK-CONCORD We also have a corp (New Order Logistics) dedicated to new and old players who are interested in ganking. There you can try out or learn the business from some of our best gankers and if you like it you can join the fun. the Code ALWAYS wins
Tamazaki Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2014.12.20 12:09:10 - [57] - Quote I avoid PvP whenever possible. It's thrilling to evade the hunters! Sneaky beaky
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 568	Posted - 2014.12.20 12:31:41 - [58] - Quote Tamazaki wrote: I avoid PvP whenever possible. It's thrilling to evade the hunters! Sneaky beaky Evading hunters falls under PvP too, silly. ;)
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 1072	Posted - 2014.12.21 00:11:10 - [59] - Quote You stay in the game for years and then pick victims with lesser gear that cannot in a million years break your tank. You sit at a gate with 20 others and burn down a single target jumping in and declare yourself l33t. You train into a cloaky bomber, read one post on how to fire bombs, and profit. You train into a large alpha and shoot targets that cannot fire back. Pretty sure that covers 90% of the PvP in EvE. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 586	Posted - 2014.12.21 00:41:51 - [60] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: You stay in the game for years and then pick victims with lesser gear that cannot in a million years break your tank. Are you sure you posted in the right game forum? the Code ALWAYS wins
Aston Martin DB5 Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2014.12.21 01:26:24 - [61] - Quote Here let me help you out: Add damage modifier x100 to your skill queue. Problem solved!
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 991	Posted - 2014.12.21 01:29:22 - [62] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: ...You train into a cloaky bomber, read one post on how to fire bombs, and profit. .... Solo bombers rarely kill anything, unless something tiny and squishy has it's MWD on. Solo TORP bombers, on the other hand, can kill ratting battleships easily, especially if the BS tank is already pressured by rats and the PVE dude is the sort of excitable pilot who fat-fingers things when faced with the conscious aggression only another player can provide. Your post shows more opinion than insight. Please head to the deepest most troubled waters you can find for a few months and watch your outlook change. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 311	Posted - 2014.12.22 11:50:21 - [63] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Cyndrogen wrote: PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets. Everyone does better in fleets. The point of flying solo is to challenge yourself and become better on your own without needing a crutch. Nothing in this game has been more thrilling for me, personally, than solo pvp, whether I'm winning or losing. I realized you hit the nail on the head for me. Yes, I never have had a kill. But my solos fights, they are so much fun. I've taken on 4 ships, had 3 down to the hull before dying. Someday, I'm gonna kill some of them before I die......Someday...
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 1080	Posted - 2014.12.23 02:49:47 - [64] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Nexus Day wrote: You stay in the game for years and then pick victims with lesser gear that cannot in a million years break your tank. Are you sure you posted in the right game forum? Yeah, welcome to EvE! Step One: Pick a ship with a natural high tank. Step Two: Add to the tank with Tech 2 defense modules. But you won't need many because you are hunting noobs. Step Three: Find a noob in a PvP area. You know the ones that write post about their first PvP experience and how much they love dying and how much they learned. Step Four: Watch them pound on your tank with Tech One weapons. You can really troll them by being hull tanked so they think they will have a chance. Step Five: Open fire at your leisure. If it is a rookie ship one volley from your Tech Twos should suffice. remember you don't get XP from achievements, just from sitting around. XP= Skill. Skill = Gear. Gear = Profit. Edit: Caught one spelling error, probably more. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 1080	Posted - 2014.12.23 02:59:33 - [65] - Quote Chopper Rollins wrote: Nexus Day wrote: ...You train into a cloaky bomber, read one post on how to fire bombs, and profit. .... Solo bombers rarely kill anything, unless something tiny and squishy has it's MWD on. Solo TORP bombers, on the other hand, can kill ratting battleships easily, especially if the BS tank is already pressured by rats and the PVE dude is the sort of excitable pilot who fat-fingers things when faced with the conscious aggression only another player can provide. Your post shows more opinion than insight. Please head to the deepest most troubled waters you can find for a few months and watch your outlook change. Hanging out in wormholes doesn't count? One suggestion from the many threads of how to be a solo bomber. "If you are looking for large numbers of potential kill mails i would take my bomber to fountain and wait for some big battles to erupt. Right now there are 2100 people in PNQ fighting each other. Get a nice little bomb into the middle of that blob while they are fighting and you might find yourself on hundreds of kill mails. I once did that in the middle of a fight between blast and panda team years ago and ended up on dozens of blast capital kill mails. It can work if you get a good perch set up on the battle and wait until they are engaged. As long as you are nuetral to everone on the field it can be entertaining. " This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 339	Posted - 2014.12.23 05:57:39 - [66] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Take a frigate, scan down a mission running bear, shoot his mtu and/or steal his mission item, repeat till you find one that isn't a sissy, try kill him, warp out if it goes sideways on you (because they never have tackle), repeat till you no longer lose your **** under pressure it works particularly well if you're in a frigate that takes a lot of micromanagement. That is great advice.
Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 339	Posted - 2014.12.23 06:00:29 - [67] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: "If you are looking for large numbers of potential kill mails i would take my bomber to fountain and wait for some big battles to erupt. Right now there are 2100 people in PNQ fighting each other. Get a nice little bomb into the middle of that blob while they are fighting and you might find yourself on hundreds of kill mails. I once did that in the middle of a fight between blast and panda team years ago and ended up on dozens of blast capital kill mails. It can work if you get a good perch set up on the battle and wait until they are engaged. As long as you are nuetral to everone on the field it can be entertaining. " It is way more fun if you're blue to one side and your bomb hits them.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5899	Posted - 2014.12.23 07:01:03 - [68] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: I learned today that I am not good at PVP. No, actually I'm terrible at it. I don't understand the mechanics, it's difficult to watch modules, distance to ship and overall the GUI is pretty difficult for a beginner pvp pilot. Did I launch drones? Is the ship in range? Did I overheat my module? Did I stop overheating? Too many variables to keep track and in too many places and it moves so fast I forget what I'm doing! I even had a decent fit and I still can't take down a simple destroyer hull. I got close, but I didn't notice he flew outside my rocket range because I was watching the hull.... bleh. How do you do it? Congrats to those with the patience to learn this, I think I prefer shooters and aiming with a mouse. PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets. I've been playing since 2006 and I'm still terrible at PVP. Love playing the game though. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 829	Posted - 2014.12.23 07:50:44 - [69] - Quote BrundleMeth wrote: I'm playing 6 years...Never had a kill yet. I sucked so bad at PVP I just quit trying years ago. Now I find other things to do. If I get attacked I either escape or give up. I do play solo though. Join a corp. Corps don't want a 6 year old toon with no kills. The End... There are so many corps that take and teach nubcakes, I can't believe they won't take you just because of excessive SPs. Brave, E-Uni (which has Low/Null/WH divisions and you can dive into at least first two right off the bat), RvB... They should take you if you want to join. OUCH (aka Open University of Celestial Hardships) kinda positions itself specifically as learning corp. Those are ones I know. Then there are many less known newbro-friendly corps, I'm sure you can find them on EVE-O or E-Uni recruitment boards. Use common sense while applying, but hey, that goes without saying. Then there are open communities like Spectre Fleet and Bombers Bar who occasionally offer training fleets. Agony does open lessons as well, as far as I can tell. Just go ahead and try if that's what you're looking for. Gully Alex Foyle wrote: shakes are normal Forgetting everything is normal Not understanding wtfeven happened is normal The only solution for a new solo pvper? Fraps! Trust me, do it. This is why anybody who suggests actual flight recorder to be implemented in the game gets instant +1 from me.
VaIefar Drekavac Independent Sharpshooters 8	Posted - 2014.12.23 09:57:15 - [70] - Quote BrundleMeth wrote: Cyndrogen wrote: BrundleMeth wrote: I'm playing 6 years...Never had a kill yet. I sucked so bad at PVP I just quit trying years ago. Now I find other things to do. If I get attacked I either escape or give up. I do play solo though. Join a corp. Corps don't want a 6 year old toon with no kills. The End... Eve was designed to punish solo play, it's monotonous, it's boring and repetitive on purpose. You are meant to team up.... I'm told "Never Trust Anyone"... So I wont... You don't need to trust in order to "team up". You just use them.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1723	Posted - 2014.12.23 12:58:12 - [71] - Quote I'm a PvP nub, and what I do is record every fight, and take any fight I don't know I can't win. Once you have recordings of a few different people killing you with the same ship, you'll have an idea of what to expect from that ship. Also, accept that it is going to be a while before you remember to do even all the obvious things like launching drones. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 153	Posted - 2014.12.23 14:11:12 - [72] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: I'm a PvP nub, and what I do is record every fight, and take any fight I don't know I can't win. Once you have recordings of a few different people killing you with the same ship, you'll have an idea of what to expect from that ship. Also, accept that it is going to be a while before you remember to do even all the obvious things like launching drones. So it is. I am quite bad to and have to go a long way to break even. My mining alts have a hard time to keep my pvp expenses in check. As Crumplecorn says: Check the killboards, check what was done to you. What equippment was used. Check the killboards of other fights. Compare the weapons, the charges. Same as for miners: If the gankers always use Catalysts with void ammo, it is a wise idea to check what damage they do and what you need to counter this. Check for weaknesses. Void is close range, moving is wise. In PvP keep those at distance. Greater ranges do less damage. I am playing a little more than a year and still there is stuff i understand better and better. Always a good idea: check if you have enough ammo. I had an interesting fight when i ran out of ammo, cause i forgot to refill... Forum Main
Elena Morin'staal Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2014.12.23 14:42:16 - [73] - Quote OP, I've been playing for about 6 and a half years, with breaks. Started PVEing with friends, my first taste of PVP was flying to meet some mates in my very first Hurricane, and taking a shortcut through Rancer. Guess how that turned out. 6 and a half years later, I still suck at PVP. I'm ok when I can fly a logi or recon in a fleet, but when it comes to Solo I'm freakin terrible. On the other hand, I don't mind losing lots of cheap ships, and would rather fight and die than run away. So don't worry about whelping ships, its really not the end of the world, and can still be a lot of fun. After a few times, the "shakes" will drop to more handle-able adrenalin rush, and even when you die you can still have fun :)
Karl Jerr Herzack Unit 74	Posted - 2014.12.23 15:57:09 - [74] - Quote I'm a pew PVP total noob too. I only managed to kill an Omen, on sisi with a 1v1 during a mass test, certainly by luck. But living in lowsec, as I do, teach you at least how to avoid pew PVP and gate camps. Better than nothing... I think that I will staying into the ninjain'g pvp avoidance until, one day, I will fit for a roaming fleet, but I don't like blob, and like someone else said, no one is interested to include you into a small gang fleet if you haven't any kill. Keep it up, with your practice you will become better than many dudes and dudess in Eve.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9253	Posted - 2014.12.23 16:03:29 - [75] - Quote Chopper Rollins wrote: I've never understood the attitude some have to 1v1 pvp, thinking it's somehow pure or a reflection of skill. I blame TV and all those Rambo and Gladiator style movies. In real life even the best solo "gladiator" tended to do poorly aka die when outnumbered by as few as 2 simple badly trained conscript soldiers with pointy sticks lol.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7201	Posted - 2014.12.23 16:07:31 - [76] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Chopper Rollins wrote: I've never understood the attitude some have to 1v1 pvp, thinking it's somehow pure or a reflection of skill. I blame TV and all those Rambo and Gladiator style movies. In real life even the best solo "gladiator" tended to do poorly aka die when outnumbered by as few as 2 simple badly trained conscript soldiers with pointy sticks lol. Nah its Deathmatch FPS and LOL style gaming where teams are even and access to weapons is "fair". The antithesis of survival. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
Yzen Danek Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.12.23 16:16:02 - [77] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Chopper Rollins wrote: I've never understood the attitude some have to 1v1 pvp, thinking it's somehow pure or a reflection of skill. I blame TV and all those Rambo and Gladiator style movies. In real life even the best solo "gladiator" tended to do poorly aka die when outnumbered by as few as 2 simple badly trained conscript soldiers with pointy sticks lol. Nah its Deathmatch FPS and LOL style gaming where teams are even and access to weapons is "fair". The antithesis of survival. Or, you know, chess, tennis, or any other actual competitive endeavor that our society actually places value on.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9253	Posted - 2014.12.23 16:40:00 - [78] - Quote Yzen Danek wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Chopper Rollins wrote: I've never understood the attitude some have to 1v1 pvp, thinking it's somehow pure or a reflection of skill. I blame TV and all those Rambo and Gladiator style movies. In real life even the best solo "gladiator" tended to do poorly aka die when outnumbered by as few as 2 simple badly trained conscript soldiers with pointy sticks lol. Nah its Deathmatch FPS and LOL style gaming where teams are even and access to weapons is "fair". The antithesis of survival. Or, you know, chess, tennis, or any other competitive endeavor that our society actually places value on because they are measures of acute skill, talent, and training, instead of a mere willingness to throw an inordinate amount of time at assembling a gang in an online game. EVE is simulating a futuristic high tech (but still virtual) world in a perpetual state of war, not a sport. Nothing wrong with solo pvp but the game is balanced along the lines of 'more is always better', like actual real life and unlike sports. That's what some of us like about the game, the 'fair' fight is the one where you live and the other guy dies. The actual rules of EVE.
Yzen Danek Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.12.23 16:49:09 - [79] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Yzen Danek wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Chopper Rollins wrote: I've never understood the attitude some have to 1v1 pvp, thinking it's somehow pure or a reflection of skill. I blame TV and all those Rambo and Gladiator style movies. In real life even the best solo "gladiator" tended to do poorly aka die when outnumbered by as few as 2 simple badly trained conscript soldiers with pointy sticks lol. Nah its Deathmatch FPS and LOL style gaming where teams are even and access to weapons is "fair". The antithesis of survival. Or, you know, chess, tennis, or any other competitive endeavor that our society actually places value on because they are measures of acute skill, talent, and training, instead of a mere willingness to throw an inordinate amount of time at assembling a gang in an online game. EVE is simulating a futuristic high tech (but still virtual) world in a perpetual state of war, not a sport. Nothing wrong with solo pvp but the game is balanced along the lines of 'more is always better', like actual real life and unlike sports. That's what some of us like about the game, the 'fair' fight is the one where you live and the other guy dies. The actual rules of EVE. Yes, I understand what EVE is. It's perfectly nice to like the game. It doesn't make one a higher class of gamer to like unstructured games over competitive ones, which is a sentiment I see repeatedly in this post and elsewhere on the site.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9255	Posted - 2014.12.23 16:57:23 - [80] - Quote Yzen Danek wrote: Yes, I understand what EVE is. It's perfectly nice to like the game. It doesn't make one a higher class of gamer to like unstructured games over competitive ones, which is a sentiment I see repeatedly in this post and elsewhere on the site. You have it backwards. NO ONE chest thumps louder than 'solo' PVPrs (in this game or any game). I mean, some of them are so full of themselves because of their prowess in making other people's ships explode they make this guy look like he's not an arrogant jerk who hogs the ball (lol). The truth is, nothing any of us does in a video game amounts to a hill of beans and everyone knows that...execpt some solo pvprs...and Kobe Bryant
Yzen Danek Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.12.23 17:22:39 - [81] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Yzen Danek wrote: Yes, I understand what EVE is. It's perfectly nice to like the game. It doesn't make one a higher class of gamer to like unstructured games over competitive ones, which is a sentiment I see repeatedly in this post and elsewhere on the site. You have it backwards. NO ONE chest thumps louder than 'solo' PVPrs (in this game or any game). I mean, some of them are so full of themselves because of their prowess in making other people's ships explode they make this guy look like he's not an arrogant jerk who hogs the ball (lol). The truth is, nothing any of us does in a video game amounts to a hill of beans and everyone knows that...execpt some solo pvprs...and Kobe Bryant On the front page of this site, I don't see any posts that are chest thumping solo PvPers saying really anything at all. I do see a lot of posts containing chiefly self-congratulatory messaging among EVE veterans for, well, just being EVE veterans. As someone trying to get a feel for what the EVE community is like, I have to say this site does not present it in a favorable light.
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 851	Posted - 2014.12.23 18:42:23 - [82] - Quote You yourself are the perfect example of the typical community member. "Babies scream all the time, for no good reason" post "This is hilarious. Watch it" post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9yugcNW_xI ("Fuck EVE!") -- Sabriz Adoud
Seven Koskanaiken Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1392	Posted - 2014.12.23 19:30:56 - [83] - Quote I can't wait until I reach 100M SP so I can be part of Manfred Sideous' wrecking ball.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7202	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:46:39 - [84] - Quote Yzen Danek wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Chopper Rollins wrote: I've never understood the attitude some have to 1v1 pvp, thinking it's somehow pure or a reflection of skill. I blame TV and all those Rambo and Gladiator style movies. In real life even the best solo "gladiator" tended to do poorly aka die when outnumbered by as few as 2 simple badly trained conscript soldiers with pointy sticks lol. Nah its Deathmatch FPS and LOL style gaming where teams are even and access to weapons is "fair". The antithesis of survival. Or, you know, chess, tennis, or any other competitive endeavor that our society actually places value on because they are measures of acute skill, talent, and training, instead of a mere willingness to throw an inordinate amount of time at assembling a gang in an online game. Your society. Sports are measures of natural ability over trained skill, and actively remove any freedom of thought from the so-called competition. In short, sports are games for the weak-minded. "assembling a gang in an online game" has nothing to do with survival, or even what we are talking about. Go back to your TV, sportsfan. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 2908	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:52:25 - [85] - Quote Yzen Danek wrote: As someone trying to get a feel for what the EVE community is like, I have to say this site does not present it in a favorable light. Dude... your hair. Wtf. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Azda Ja Green Skull LLC 2323	Posted - 2014.12.24 09:40:10 - [86] - Quote The sheer scope of the PvP is what draws so many in. Most other games have PvP in an arena of some varying description with few consequences, and (this is key) few variables. EVE PvP is very similar to actual strategy in real conflicts, obviously not in impact, it is still a game; but the freedom and creativity EVE PvP allows is absolutely amazing. You're not plopped down in front of an opponent in honorable 1v1 (or 2v2, 4v4 whatever) space bushido combat in an arena. You have a galaxy full of people, resources, and geography to use and exploit against whoever is, or will be, blinking red on your overview. In other PVP games, you employ tactics. EVE gives you the freedom to strategize. Also, there's exploding spaceships. That's cool too. "I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish GSLLC Recruitment
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9267	Posted - 2014.12.24 13:11:24 - [87] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Sports are measures of natural ability over trained skill, and actively remove any freedom of thought from the so-called competition. In short, sports are games for the weak-minded. I know I'm not the 1st person to interact with 'leet solo pvp'rs in game and get an Erie feeling of deja vu about dealing with high school football players....all of whom were football/basketball Gods in their own minds, none of whom made it anywhere close to the NFL or NBA
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7207	Posted - 2014.12.24 13:15:02 - [88] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Sports are measures of natural ability over trained skill, and actively remove any freedom of thought from the so-called competition. In short, sports are games for the weak-minded. I know I'm not the 1st person to interact with 'leet solo pvp'rs in game and get an Erie feeling of deja vu about dealing with high school football players....all of whom were football/basketball Gods in their own minds, none of whom made it anywhere close to the NFL or NBA Im probably exaggerating in my above statement. But can you show me a sportsman with something useful or interesting to say? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 869	Posted - 2014.12.24 17:45:00 - [89] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Sports are measures of natural ability over trained skill, and actively remove any freedom of thought from the so-called competition. In short, sports are games for the weak-minded. I know I'm not the 1st person to interact with 'leet solo pvp'rs in game and get an Erie feeling of deja vu about dealing with high school football players....all of whom were football/basketball Gods in their own minds, none of whom made it anywhere close to the NFL or NBA Im probably exaggerating in my above statement. But can you show me a sportsman with something useful or interesting to say? Hulk Hogan created the whole business by himself and that would have never worked without talking. You can not deny that, at all. Without Hulks Hogan charisma and micskills there wouldn't be this multi-billion industry, the modern "Gladiators". The Rock ... one of the best guys on the microphone, electrifying the masses. CM Punks shoot promos are legendary. This guy is a master on the microphone and when he talks people always listen, because he always has something to say and usually it's straight honest, even against his own company or boss. Don't forget ... wrestling is still a sport. If you don't believe that, I suggest letting yourself get dropped, thrown around and smacked a few times. Most people here are weaklings ... I would love to see them go through a bit of pain ... ... just to laugh at them for being tough guys on the internet. Anyhow. You asked ... I deliver.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 5677	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:18:46 - [90] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Sports are measures of natural ability over trained skill, and actively remove any freedom of thought from the so-called competition. In short, sports are games for the weak-minded. This sounds like the excuses and rationalization of someone who didn't make the team or watched too many cliche movies about jocks and nerds. Anyone who's been a contributing member of a decent high school athletics program would find your claims not only wrong but mildly offensive. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Amyclas Amatin SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 548	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:34:30 - [91] - Quote Always follow orders and don't die without permission... For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Harrison Tato Yamato Holdings 242	Posted - 2014.12.24 20:12:46 - [92] - Quote I smell left over high school nerd rage in this thread!
Dersen Lowery Drinking in Station 1404	Posted - 2014.12.31 17:09:27 - [93] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: Dersen Lowery wrote: The somewhat lower-risk way that I took once I realized that the run-all-the-things, cap-stable mission fits I'd be using were doing me more harm than good was to outfit a cap-injected, active-tanked, MWD, drone-launching neutron blaster Brutix and take it into L3s. You lost me at "missions" In that case, I'd go with Schmata Bastanold's advice: start with a simple, passive ship and scale up as you get more comfortable. Oh, and you'll always forget to launch drones. I've forgotten to do that while piloting drone boats--not that I claim any mastery of PVP at all. I'm still pretty bad. But as a professional musician told me, what makes a pro is not whether you make mistakes, but how you recover from them. You'll always make mistakes. It's helped me to laugh at them. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
Sexy Cakes Have A Seat 863	Posted - 2014.12.31 18:23:44 - [94] - Quote Join a blob fleet and get told what to do! Not today spaghetti.
Aiyshimin Shiva Furnace 287	Posted - 2014.12.31 22:37:40 - [95] - Quote Solj RichPopolous wrote: Most will never grasp the concepts involved. And id be willing to be 99% of the posters on this thread are doormats. The thing about EVE is most people never really get good at it. They either get more numbers and blob you, or they use a cookie cutter fit that occasionally works. Once you figure out the game though its pretty easy, you just must aspire to do so and not fall into the cookie cutter trap. As it stands its IMPOSSIBLE for me to lose in a 1v1 fight with cruiser sized hulls and below. If anyone wants to challenge this I accept all comers and will have it FRAPSed and posted for all to see how easy people are in this game. My only sport now is getting into fights that are usually 10 v 1. The thing to take away from this is learn the game. Don't follow the same cookie cutter crap everyone tells you that you have to do because thats just what it is crap. Also if you'd like to learn from the best we have a corp in our alliance for aspiring pvpers such as yourself, where you will be able to learn proper gameplay and tactics. Not just the run of the mill "im a PVP god" because i have x amount of logi or im in a blob mentality the rest seem to have. IMPOSSIBLE You go girl, show them!
Cara Forelli Green Skull LLC 822	Posted - 2014.12.31 22:52:22 - [96] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: I hear ya loud and clear, I don't understand what happens to me though when I engage someone. My mind behaves differently. I know I have to keep range and be within a certain distance but I experience some sort of mental block caused by adrenaline??? I don't know I just need to fight through it, and remember to fire all the things, overheat all the things, keep in range all the things and watch my own shields and armor always... I'm still not flying with reflex gut feelings, it's still very much a "remember you need to do A before you do B" instead of just instinctively knowing to do it. I use to forget to launch drones before when I engaged someone, is that typical? Say it out loud to yourself as you warp in. Run through the list: "Damage control and hardeners on, loading EM rockets, target range is 6000 meters" etc. Ever wonder why FCs say these things? It helps bring the focus back to what you are doing instead of the jitters. It's not because pilots can't remember to turn on their own damage control (usually). Adventures New player with questions? Join my public channel in game: *House Forelli* GSLLC is recruiting
Grath Telkin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 2686	Posted - 2015.01.01 04:36:37 - [97] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: I learned today that I am not good at PVP. No, actually I'm terrible at it. I don't understand the mechanics, it's difficult to watch modules, distance to ship and overall the GUI is pretty difficult for a beginner pvp pilot. Did I launch drones? Is the ship in range? Did I overheat my module? Did I stop overheating? Too many variables to keep track and in too many places and it moves so fast I forget what I'm doing! I even had a decent fit and I still can't take down a simple destroyer hull. I got close, but I didn't notice he flew outside my rocket range because I was watching the hull.... bleh. How do you do it? Congrats to those with the patience to learn this, I think I prefer shooters and aiming with a mouse. PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets. you're looking for this button. http://i.imgur.com/GDOya9y.png Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12328	Posted - 2015.01.01 08:59:26 - [98] - Quote To be honest, 99.9% of my PvP is communication. Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 27970	Posted - 2015.01.01 17:32:31 - [99] - Quote Sol Project wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Sports are measures of natural ability over trained skill, and actively remove any freedom of thought from the so-called competition. In short, sports are games for the weak-minded. I know I'm not the 1st person to interact with 'leet solo pvp'rs in game and get an Erie feeling of deja vu about dealing with high school football players....all of whom were football/basketball Gods in their own minds, none of whom made it anywhere close to the NFL or NBA Im probably exaggerating in my above statement. But can you show me a sportsman with something useful or interesting to say? Hulk Hogan created the whole business by himself and that would have never worked without talking. You can not deny that, at all. Without Hulks Hogan charisma and micskills there wouldn't be this multi-billion industry, the modern "Gladiators". The Rock ... one of the best guys on the microphone, electrifying the masses. CM Punks shoot promos are legendary. This guy is a master on the microphone and when he talks people always listen, because he always has something to say and usually it's straight honest, even against his own company or boss. Don't forget ... wrestling is still a sport. If you don't believe that, I suggest letting yourself get dropped, thrown around and smacked a few times. Most people here are weaklings ... I would love to see them go through a bit of pain ... ... just to laugh at them for being tough guys on the internet. Anyhow. You asked ... I deliver. except, you know, play-acting is not a sport

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