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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2003.10.19 15:18:00 -
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I dont know if this is the correct forum since we all are still beta testing this game. I am making a request to be able to sell Blueprint Copies along with Pirate loot in the Market. Like be able to place sell orders for copies. It would make my life and allot of others very happy if this was in the game. You know,it will help the PLAYER driven economy and stuff. Thanks for your time. 
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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2003.10.24 18:28:00 -
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For the Children!
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Freezer
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Posted - 2003.10.24 21:06:00 -
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not with the way Blueprints currently display. The only way I know that
"Afterburner I Copy" is an original on market is because you can't sell copies on market.
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Czar Marcus
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Posted - 2003.10.25 04:44:00 -
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I doubt that would happen. Since every blueprint copy is different, if CCP allowed for copies to be sold in the market, the list would go on forever at some stations. It would be cluttered.
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.10.25 06:16:00 -
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exactly, theoertically you could have thousands of DIFFERENT copies, depending on mineral level, production level, batch size. Do the math, it would be a mess.
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Xailia
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Posted - 2003.10.25 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: Xailia on 25/10/2003 08:56:56
That is what data sorting is for.
1. Open up Market
2. Navigate to the blueprint you want
3. 2 Options, Original or Copies, select Copies
4. A window pops up with parameters and a search button
5. Enter Minimum of: Mineral Level, Production Level, Batch Size
6. Choose Range: Station, Constellation, Region
7. Hit Search and wait, the narrower your search, the shorter the time to load up the list, which should be sortable by the parameters entered.
8. Choose the one you want and buy
Also, if the results are too narrow, there should be an option of showing the closest 10, 50, 100, etc. below the minimum parameters.
Just an idea. 
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.10.25 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: Luther Pendragon on 25/10/2003 09:02:16
Throw out all the other pieces of junk which is now cluttering the market and put in the stuff that people ARE interested into the market, such as named loot and BPs.
The market is a disaster, its full of crap people dont want and we have to resort to some cheesy chat channel like a MUD from 20 years ago! Worse, nobody seems to care.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.25 16:15:00 -
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"Throw out all the other pieces of junk which is now cluttering the market and put in the stuff that people ARE interested into the market, such as named loot and BPs.
The market is a disaster, its full of crap people dont want and we have to resort to some cheesy chat channel like a MUD from 20 years ago! Worse, nobody seems to care."
... What he said. It's pretty ridiculous the 'better' equipment cannot be sold/bought through the market interface.
OK, maybe minus throwing out the 'junk pieces'. They are still valuable for people who just start and can only afford the cheap stuff... or for those who don't want to bother with non-stock stuff simply because they're likely to lose the ship in the battle.
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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2003.10.27 18:56:00 -
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Bpcs for everyone! :)
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2003.10.27 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Luther Pendragon on 25/10/2003 09:02:16
Throw out all the other pieces of junk which is now cluttering the market and put in the stuff that people ARE interested into the market, such as named loot and BPs.
The market is a disaster, its full of crap people dont want and we have to resort to some cheesy chat channel like a MUD from 20 years ago! Worse, nobody seems to care.
Pirate dropped loot might go in with the black market IMHO. It's not a stock item, it's something the pirates have tweaked and changed, so why would any normal market want to be hosting the pricing of a module the pirates created.
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.10.27 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Luther Pendragon on 27/10/2003 22:10:23
In short, because its not a contraband item. Theres nothing saying its a 'pirate' item either, only because the only way to get 'em is via pirates. Just because theyre dropped by pirates shoudlnt justify making it illegal, it is after all legal and even encouraged killing pirates. And pirates do drop other, non tweaked items. They are merely prototypes and the devs havnt figured any other way of getting them into the market.
Stolen loot on the other hand is contraband, but that flag isnt working at all anyways and wont be untill we get agents in the game that fence stolen loot, but that feature seems long forgotten by now.
I have seen the market evolve from a terrible interface into something remarkable and functionable, the market and Eves econmics is a central pivot of the entire game, and alot of effort by the devs have gone into creating it. I find it amazing that it is then sabotaged by releasing items which are not supported by it.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.27 22:23:00 -
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"Pirate dropped loot might go in with the black market IMHO. It's not a stock item, it's something the pirates have tweaked and changed, so why would any normal market want to be hosting the pricing of a module the pirates created."
... The 'pirate loot' was stolen/acquired by the pirates, but those modules are actually creations of all 4 EVE races. Check for example the Caldari modifications of the standard Railgun:
Prototype I Gauss Gun (lvl.1)
Standard II Gauss Gun (lvl.2)
Military III Gauss Gun (lvl.3)
Naval IV Gauss Gun (lvl.4)
Special Ops V Gauss Gun (lvl.5)
... Prototype < Standard < Military < Naval < Special Ops... doesn't sound like something developed by pirates, non?..
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.10.28 12:54:00 -
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Pirate loot is supposedly going to be sold through a black market system. The governments don't allow their precious prototype loot to be sold through the market and CCP wanted to keep the legit market clear so newbies don't drown in the ocean of stuff for sale.
When will the black market be in and ho will it work? Who knows...
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.28 15:12:00 -
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Here's a novel idea...
Instead of trying to sell blueprint copies on the market, why not *GASP* try manufacturing the item and selling that on the market?
Oh wait, because that's not practical so long as you can sell copies for the same profit margin without any investment in the minerals for the product. 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.10.28 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Luther Pendragon on 28/10/2003 15:35:47
Yes, I remember hearing murmerings of a so called black market system. But why?
We have a perfectly good method of goods distribution with the current market system, why make a parallel system? Especially when there will always be the 3rd primitive method of merely shouting over a channel. The introduction of a 'black market system' will still result in this very nice current market interface being semi-redundant, mostly full of comparatively low demand and useless goods.
The original plan was that contraband would be able to be 'fenced' to turn the contraband flag off, thereby allowing it to be sold via the market interface. Players were to learn 'fencing' skill, and you'd go to this person and have them legalize your goods. Seems like a perfectly good and interesting idea to me.
Re reading your post, Indigo, yes, this still doesnt really apply to prototype goods. But I would point out two things. One is that if the governments wanted to stop pirated goods falling into the general market, they should stop making so much which gets stolen by pirates! Second, why should the market be just for newbies, and also there is a jumble of stuff in there anyways which sorting is doing a good job of, adding prototypes I dont think would make a difference. What it is doing, as the original poster stated, is seriously hampering the player economy.
On another note, they could also at least allow pirated/illegal goods on the pirate stations market...
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NeoMorph
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Posted - 2003.10.28 19:33:00 -
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Unfortunately, Luther, all that "crap" is used in agent mission... remove that and you break another part of the game.
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