Although I disagree with you, I shall quote you to the OP. I do agree that it needs an increase, especially if this thread's change were to be implemented.

Edit: It seems to be a running concern, shared by quite a few. So if the average need it improved quite drastically then there we have it.

I can agree on destruction but not easy destruction. This is EVE, with groups like Pandem Legion in them.

If there is something to fight for to regain there will be more good fights otherwise the next big thing from Titan ganks is Station ganks.

noe EASY destruction, just easier to destroy than capture, because these are afterall assets better kept alive for reuse, so that should be the difficult thing to do

I repeat.

I know it can support 80
I do not expect thousands confined to one system.

This is simply a lie. Nothing else to really say about it. It's demonstrably mathematically impossible even if yuo include mining upgrades.

We finish them so fast we have to wait for them to respawn. We have been over this time after time for years now with bears such as yourself who have no idea what they are talking about.

Coalitions must never be recognized. They nothing but a symptom of an insidious disease that Phoebe has hopefully helped to purge. Time will tell, of course.

Pilot -> Corporation -> Alliance. Nothing larger. Ever.

Coalitions must never be recognized. They nothing but a symptom of an insidious disease that Phoebe has hopefully helped to purge. Time will tell, of course.

Pilot -> Corporation -> Alliance. Nothing larger. Ever.

What disease?

The disease of human nature. Unfortunately, there's no cure.

2) Fix the mechanics so that large alliances can hold vastly smaller amounts of space and still have enough income opportunities for their members. .

Jump bridges and station controls. Not all alliances trust each other completely and not being able to build strategic stations in the same system as each other ...

Some systems are held only for strategic jump bridges ... so one per alliance on those also per system?

Wrong again.

We finish them so fast we have to wait for them to respawn. We have been over this time after time for years now with bears such as yourself who have no idea what they are talking about.

You have this idea which was overly complex and didn't honestly solve much to start, and then each time someone points out a flaw, you add more restrictions or layers of complexity to the idea in an effort to patch it up.

The result is a horrific Frankenstein's monster of a system that can easily be manipulated by shell alliances, but still doesn't address many of the fundamental issues with extremely compact sov.

What for example prevents me from making a dozen shell alliances and then placing JB's in all directions from a singel system. It could be one alliance living there, plus 12 shell alliances with one corp and one person in that corp, and they could still have all those JB's in one system.

If you don't trust someone to dock in your station or use your JB, you are sure as hell not living in the same system in the same coalition.

You have this idea which was overly complex and didn't honestly solve much to start, and then each time someone points out a flaw, you add more restrictions or layers of complexity to the idea in an effort to patch it up.

The result is a horrific Frankenstein's monster of a system that can easily be manipulated by shell alliances, but still doesn't address many of the fundamental issues with extremely compact sov.

What for example prevents me from making a dozen shell alliances and then placing JB's in all directions from a singel system. It could be one alliance living there, plus 12 shell alliances with one corp and one person in that corp, and they could still have all those JB's in one system.

Wow, no.

First, how about we make it so that alliances actually exist? You know, instead of being a slapdash hotfix that has held for years and years?

Alliance bookmarks first and foremost, obviously, but nonetheless, you don't just build bad on top of bad.

Yeesh.

I repeat.

I know it can support 80
I do not expect thousands confined to one system.

TL;DR

• Add additional ratting sites that require teams to complete them.

Announce that in 6 months freighters and haulers will lose their fatigue bonus. Bad idea. they have that bonus because fatigue wasn't a really good idea in the first place.

access to things not yours in an outpost after 6 months? You should never have access to anything in a player hanger without permission. ever.

coalitions? perhaps the better move would be to outlaw them and to make it harder for unofficial organizations to work together. Don't really care much for coalitions, sorry.

Fatigue was a great idea, it just makes JFs difficult, and since nullsec isn't currently capable of supporting itself industrially CCP relented.

The disease of human nature. Unfortunately, there's no cure.

Alliances and coalitions exist for the simple reason that it makes sense for them exist. Alliances because you need one to hold space and coalitions because it's the only reliable way to protect & keep vast swaths of space once you have it.

The problem, as baltec right points out, is that we should never have needed to hold vast swaths of space to keep alliance members interested in the first place. Having to hold these large areas of space means people have to fly farther for fights, and having to blue up large numbers of people to protect your holdings only compounds the problem.

There are two ways to fix this issue:
1) Ask people to play in a suboptimal manner. (LOL, cause that will happen).
2) Fix the mechanics so that large alliances can hold vastly smaller amounts of space and still have enough income opportunities for their members.

I'll give you a for instance.

If you packed all of Goonswarm (not the CFC, just the Goons ~12k pilots) into Deklein, they wouldn't need a coalition to hold the space. They'd have enough pilots to defend it without help, especially with the reduced jump ranges limiting your capital entry points. But their members would starve for content and money making opportunities. If you collapsed the member count to the point where they could all reasonably live in Deklein, the couldn't hold the space. This is the catch 22 that the large blocs have found themselves in for years.

Occupancy sov is the right answer - as long as CCP gets the details right.

Jump fatigue is horribly flawed... Horribly, What makes you think I want to sit and wait 15 minutes in between each and every 10LY jump with my freighter... It wrecks the ability of an individual to be self reliant. I will be selling my characters at wholesale and leaving EVE. I used to like this game for the freedom it allowed and now it is horribly broken.