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Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.20 04:54:28 -
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One thing i will never be able to do is defeat a fleet. And they are everywhere, guarding the gates to null sec and everything. I think a way for us numerous solo pilots to solo the game is to make a tech III module or ship that can only be targeted by one ship. |
Kharnakh
Acheron Imperial Ascendancy
Acheron Imperial Dominion
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Posted - 2014.12.20 05:02:49 -
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No. |
Anhenka
The Cult of Personality
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Posted - 2014.12.20 05:08:26 -
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1/10 |
Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.20 05:09:26 -
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There definitly NEEDS to be solo, otherwise it doesnt matter how good you are but how many people are with you. |
Anhenka
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Posted - 2014.12.20 05:15:38 -
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Yige Shen wrote:There definitly NEEDS to be solo, otherwise it doesnt matter how good you are but how many people are with you.
Ok, let's pretend for a minute that you are actually a poor misguided noob instead of a troll.
Situation A: I take two of these ships, they both lock each other then they go on a massive rampage wherever they want, completely invincible unless they are so bad as to be killed by the very few non targeted aoe weapons (or FoF missiles, but lolno).
Situation B: I take an active tank version of this ship, and dive into a cloud of 300 brave noobies in trash ships, killing them one by one and easily tanking the one person who has me locked in his pathetic frig.
But aside from those and all the other ways this could be abused, there's the simple fact that EVE IS NOT FAIR!
1v1 is OK. 1v2 is OK. 1v500 is OK
Soloing skill is knowing how to fly solo even against bad odds, what you can take, what you can't, and how to optimally engage/disengage. The actually shooting part is only a small bit.
EVE owes you nothing that allows you to only permit one person at a time to fight you as if it were some archaic dueling arena. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2014.12.20 05:38:04 -
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Yige Shen wrote:There definitly NEEDS to be solo, otherwise it doesnt matter how good you are but how many people are with you.
First i will say that yes the more people you have the better your odds are however even a solo pilot can take on a large fleet if he knows what he is doing. (I would like you to remember that this is not only an MMO but an MMO based heavily on player inaction so it stands to reason that the odds would stack in favor of a fleet)
however perhaps CCP could give the TSB a look at to make it a more useful tool in the mean time though take a look at some of these videos if you really are just new to PvP |
Antillie Sa'Kan
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Posted - 2014.12.20 05:41:28 -
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Yige Shen wrote:There definitly NEEDS to be solo, otherwise it doesnt matter how good you are but how many people are with you.
Solo is already a thing. No further changes are needed. |
Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.20 05:57:50 -
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I dunno but an experienced fleet beats an experienced solo player hands down. But did they win? Seems like theres not enough solo in any MMO, making it only about how many people your with and not how great you are. And its not winning if you have a million people with you so whats the meaning and purpose in becoming anything like a legend? |
Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.20 06:40:20 -
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Anhenka wrote:Yige Shen wrote:There definitly NEEDS to be solo, otherwise it doesnt matter how good you are but how many people are with you. Ok, let's pretend for a minute that you are actually a poor misguided noob instead of a troll. Situation A: I take two of these ships, they both lock each other then they go on a massive rampage wherever they want, completely invincible unless they are so bad as to be killed by the very few non targeted aoe weapons (or FoF missiles, but lolno). Situation B: I take an active tank version of this ship, and dive into a cloud of 300 brave noobies in trash ships, killing them one by one and easily tanking the one person who has me locked in his pathetic frig. But aside from those and all the other ways this could be abused, there's the simple fact that EVE IS NOT FAIR!1v1 is OK. 1v2 is OK. 1v500 is OK Soloing skill is knowing how to fly solo even against bad odds, what you can take, what you can't, and how to optimally engage/disengage. The actually shooting part is only a small bit. EVE owes you nothing that allows you to only permit one person at a time to fight you as if it were some archaic dueling arena.
Situation A can be taken care of by only allowing one target lock for your ship. and all the other situations need formatted into a working aspect of the game like any other initial idea. |
Kharnakh
Acheron Imperial Ascendancy
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Posted - 2014.12.20 06:44:45 -
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Yige Shen wrote:Seems like theres not enough solo in any MMO
You know the first 2 letters of that acronym stand for 'Massively Multiplayer' right? |
Anhenka
The Cult of Personality
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Posted - 2014.12.20 06:47:30 -
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Yige Shen wrote:
Situation A can be taken care of by only allowing one target lock for your ship. and all the other situations need formatted into a working aspect of the game like any other initial idea.
Might I suggest the game Nidhogg? Two people, even odds, personal skill, wits, and reaction time decide the winner.
You are obviously not actually looking to play an MMO, unless the massively multiplayer part means "I only want to interact with at most one person at a time" and nobody told me about the change.
P.S: Even with only one outbound target lock at a time, it only turns it into a situation where two ships can make each other invulnerable. Combine that with smartbombs and you can gatecamp a lowsec gate with smartbombs all day, remaining just outside of the minimum smartbombing restriction range.
If someone brings in their own smartbombing ship to try and kill you, all you have to do is move in a few hundred meters to be within the smartbomb restriction range for near total safety.
TLDR: No, bad, still bad, terrible bad idea. Go play some 1v1 game. |
Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.20 06:47:44 -
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Kharnakh wrote:Yige Shen wrote:Seems like theres not enough solo in any MMO You know the first 2 letters of that acronym stand for 'Massively Multiplayer' right?
Thus there there would be no winning only interaction. |
Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.20 06:52:07 -
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Anhenka wrote:Yige Shen wrote:
Situation A can be taken care of by only allowing one target lock for your ship. and all the other situations need formatted into a working aspect of the game like any other initial idea.
Might I suggest the game Nidhogg? Two people, even odds, personal skill, wits, and reaction time decide the winner. You are obviously not actually looking to play an MMO, unless the massively multiplayer part means "I only want to interact with at most one person at a time" and nobody told me about the change. P.S: Even with only one outbound target lock at a time, it only turns it into a situation where two ships can make each other invulnerable. Combine that with smartbombs and you can gatecamp a lowsec gate with smartbombs all day, remaining just outside of the minimum smartbombing restriction range. If someone brings in their own smartbombing ship to try and kill you, all you have to do is move in a few hundred meters to be within the smartbomb restriction range for near total safety. TLDR: No, bad, still bad, terrible bad idea. Go play some 1v1 game.
Soloing is not a new idea. Speaking of soloing now not just my one idea. |
Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.20 06:55:51 -
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Earth year 10,000....MMO's are perfected and you will have no problems with how MMO's are, soloing included. |
Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.20 07:00:19 -
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Even galactical tournaments are a good soloing idea. And like a ninja in a samurai army. A samurai he is not but an assassin he is. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2014.12.20 07:06:56 -
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Yige Shen wrote:Seems like theres not enough solo in any MMO
I want you to remember what the MM stand for and think about why MMOs may favor the group |
Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.20 07:14:08 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Yige Shen wrote:Seems like theres not enough solo in any MMO I want you to remember what the MM stand for and think about why MMOs may favor the group
MMO's are real world enviroments. Like the lone ranger. In which when he comes into a town where people he knows greets him, they don't go with him. |
Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.20 07:51:50 -
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Take this into account. If skills didn't end. Then you can solo when you have innumerable skills and your as great as your skills giving your rank of when you win or lose. Instead of how many people your with. If i got like 20 people to join me on eve even as noobies we could take out solo legends. 20 daredevils with stabilized medium shield boosters can kill anyone who's soloing flat out. Even his warp core stabilizer wont prevent millions of scrambles. And I'm sure there are a lot of noobies killing lots of legendary players. Making gaining skills for countless years worthless. |
Nevyn Auscent
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Posted - 2014.12.20 08:15:11 -
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Yige Shen wrote:
MMO's are real world enviroments. Like the lone ranger. In which when he comes into a town where people he knows greets him, they don't go with him.
The Lone Ranger also never solo'ed. He always had at least Tonto with him. |
Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.20 08:39:48 -
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Well you know when Bruce Lee took on 400 kung fu masters he was gaining endless heavy assault missiles. |
Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.20 08:53:18 -
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If you don't like the idea just say it and if anyone else likes the idea we can work out the kinks. When it comes to soloing people will forever like that idea, its not a new idea and the idea of soloing will never end. The whole game is based around specific designs and coordinated to make it work otherwise you'd have one of the four weapons far superior to the other three, which is why they use only lasers in the movies. |
Ratchet Conway
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Posted - 2014.12.20 09:18:29 -
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Solo gameplay is alive and well in eve. And while they don't defeat fleets of people, they do on occasion defeat 2somes or 3somes. --Accidentally jumping onto a gate with a huge gang on it is just part of the spice that makes solo PVP fun. If it were easy, I'd be playing a console game by myself.
Here are some videos of people doing solo PVP (some of them in ships with mods you can train in about a month).
https://www.youtube.com/user/EveOnDemand
It's not hard to solo pvp, but you do need to think outside the traditional PVP/PVE box in order to be successful at it.
for the record: I don't believe that solo PvP requires this type of buff. |
ShahFluffers
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Posted - 2014.12.20 09:26:23 -
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Okay... here are the issues with your thought process...
You claim that a solo person should be able to take on countless people like in the movies. The problem is that the movies never reflect the hard reality.
That reality is that, mechanically, all players are "solo" even they choose to cooperate with others. So when you are facing 2, 5, or even 100 people in your one ship... you are, in effect, facing the combined might of all those "solo" players.
And you can't change that without introducing arbitrary mechanics that can be horribly abused by people (as some people have pointed out in this thread).
And yes, this is fantasy and a game and we should be able to fulfill our desires and all that jazz... but sometimes what you want is incompatible with the greater good or balance for all.
Remember that EVE is a wholly competitive MMO game at its core. No one can be made an exception to the rules or mechanics. Otherwise those same exceptions apply to everyone else.
The other issue I see is that you believe that high skillspoints (see: "Lengendary People") should mean that you cannot be beaten by multitudes of people will less skillpoints... just like in other MMOs.
This is not the case in EVE. And it is something we cherish here. Because it means both that...
- no one is "useless" and that anyone can affect anything and everyone from day 1.
- personal strength alone will not be enough to make you truly "powerful."
Now character skills DO COUNT... they give you an edge over others with less character skills. But it does mean that personal (player) skill also counts.
This is a balance that I believe CCP has hit almost perfectly.
In short: Not Supported.
Solo is already possible and does exist. You just have to think smarter, choose your engagements more wisely, and not believe that you are entitled to "fairness."
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.20 22:30:26 -
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Well it's just me then. I don't like the fact that the more people you have the greater you are. And that's not the point in gaining skills for many many years. How's this forget the one target lock idea and instead I want to present unlimited skills as an idea. |
ShahFluffers
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Posted - 2014.12.20 22:46:00 -
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No. Because training skills DOES matter.
It just doesn't matter as much as you WANT it to matter.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.20 22:52:40 -
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I think this is a problem in every single MMO, ancient warriors to space. With unlimited skills you're more like a -legend- like how it's meant to be. Otherwise I'm going to continue to make the biggest group i can make and not be legendary but just kill everything in sight, level 5 skills to no skills. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2014.12.21 00:17:46 -
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Yige Shen wrote:I think this is a problem in every single MMO, ancient warriors to space. With unlimited skills you're more like a -legend- like how it's meant to be. Otherwise I'm going to continue to make the biggest group i can make and not be legendary but just kill everything in sight, level 5 skills to no skills.
who the hell says your meant to be a legend in eve you are what you make of yourself and yes going out and finding a large group to roam with is a good solution if you don't feel you can solo. eve is all about how players interact with one another rather than some grad RPG where you and every other player go and save the same princess from the same villein.
I think you may see eve like a lot of other MMOs where greatness is handed to you rather than earned and that is not the case for the most part eve will those you in the mud and kick you while you're down but it just makes each victory you earn that much more rewarding.
Knowing that it wasn't part of some main quest line that everyone else has done a hundred times before you but rather something you have done and a story you have to tell like no one others.
is that they type of game for every one? no some people just want to be tossed into a theme park and ride the rides and that's fine its just not eve |
Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.21 00:50:22 -
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If your looking for a social network then grab an uzi and play second life. You wouldn't spend 23 years gaining skills if you weren't meant to be a legend. But with only 5 - 10 years with combat skills you might as well have the same ship and everything because after that point it's all equal. In which you want the biggest group. |
ShahFluffers
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Posted - 2014.12.21 00:56:14 -
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Yige Shen wrote:I think this is a problem in every single MMO, ancient warriors to space. With unlimited skills you're more like a -legend- like how it's meant to be. Otherwise I'm going to continue to make the biggest group i can make and not be legendary but just kill everything in sight, level 5 skills to no skills.
Mmmmmnoooooooooooooo...
your perception of what a "Legend" should be is fairly skewed.
Becoming a "Legend" is about name recognition. Popularity... infamy... something that sets a person apart from everyone else.
Anyone can get lots of skillpoints or command lots of people. A "Legend" can use either (or both) in ways that "commoners" don't.
Take Chribba for example.
He has never shot at any other player in the game (to anyone's knowledge). Nor does he have the most skillpoints. But he does have LOTS and LOTS of money at his disposal. And a reputation for being the most trustworthy person in EVE. So trustworthy in fact that he has made a business out of it (by being a 3rd party "middleman" for very high value assets).
And if anyone declared war on him... with the wave of his hand he can summon up throngs of supporters, friends, and allies to come to his aid... failing that, he can afford the best mercs in the game.
Chribba is a "legend" by EVE standards.
The Mittani.
As a PvPer, he is not notable. But as a diplomat, shittalker, tactician, and propagandist he is one of the best out there. And what sets him apart from others like him is the sheer flair and trollishness that he puts into his role as "Dictator."
His skills have allowed him to command and maintain one of the largest coalitions in EVE history. He even got banned from the game for "crossing the line" during Fanfest. And yet despite his ban, he continued to lead his forces and influence the game.
The tales of his deeds (true or fabricated) are so widespread now that he is, in effect, a "Legend."
Garmon.
One of the single best solo-PvPers in EVE history. He used novel setups and tactics to beat both other solo targets as well as fleets. He has probably beaten people with MUCH more skillpoints than himself and lost to people with less. Whether or not he truly IS the best though... well... we can only judge based on his own recordings of what he has done.
Even still... he will forever be remembered as one of the few "Legendary" solo-PvPers in the game because of those recordings. Until someone better releases clips of their efforts.
Pandemic Legion.
Starting out as a pirate outfit in low-sec, PL gained notoriety for both it's heavy capital ship emphasis and widespread spy networks. Today, the name Pandemic Legion is spoken with both respect, fear, and revulsion as they have been hired by wealthy and powerful 0.0 alliances and coalitions to "do their dirty work."
They use their generally superior equipment and skills in tandem with other pilots of the same caliber to create absurdly powerful setups and tactics to dominate the the battlefield.
They are "Legends."
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Yige Shen
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Posted - 2014.12.21 01:24:53 -
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When someone pays people to take a dive in boxing for his boxer to win that doesn't make them legendary. When you got the mafia after you it would help to gain unlimited skill points. When i buy millions of plex that doesn't make me a legend. And if you would rather fly a ship manually and use raw talent then add that idea until then you gain skill points in order to be great. In which they are limited. |
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