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Katlyn Koreth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.12.20 14:52:18 -
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I am trying to fit some T1 frigates to learn pvp. In my research I have learned that rockets are a good choice for frigates that intend to pvp at close range, but I can't figure out what type of rocket to fit.
I know that each of the 4 damage types affect hull/shields/armor in different ways, but how do I decide which to fit? Not knowing who I'll run into it, it's impossible to optimize for my opponent.. should I just fit one of each type? Or all of one type?
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Katlyn Koreth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:00:59 -
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:(
Ok, so nevermind... I was planning to sell a PLEX to fund my pvp ventures, but I just had my ship destroyed and plex looted outside of Jita.
I mean, I know that sort of thing can happen, but I am a bit miffed :(
Guess it was foolish to transport it looking for a better price? On the brightside, it sparked a crazy battle as people fought over it and concord showed up lol.
Guess I need to mine for... a long time.. before i can put any advice on pvp to use. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7644
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:03:42 -
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Enemy Ship Race
Amar-Thermal
Gallente-Explosive
Minmattar-Explosive
Caldari-EM
bring reloads, change if you have to
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7644
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:07:58 -
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Katlyn Koreth wrote:
Guess it was foolish to transport it looking for a better price? .
yes,
yes you were.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Katlyn Koreth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:10:03 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Katlyn Koreth wrote:
Guess it was foolish to transport it looking for a better price? .
yes, yes you were.
But I have gone to and from that system a lot in the last few days with no problems; I figured the risk was acceptable as I had never ran into a problem before.
Were people somehow able to detect I had a plex onboard? And if so, how? |
Memphis Baas
26
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:15:33 -
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Never transport PLEX.
Go to Jita first (you won't be a priority target with an empty cargo), and dock at the station where the PLEX are being sold.
Then log out of the game, go to the account webpage, and buy your PLEX there.
Then log back in the game and redeem your PLEX and it will be placed straight in the Jita station where you are.
So you can sell it without risking it at all.
Sorry for your loss, but just chalk it up to a tough lesson, and if you get another plex it's guaranteed to be secure if you do the steps above. Nobody can take items from your station, so just redeem the PLEX straight into the Jita station.
As far as the rockets and damage type, PVP players will tend to put resists on their ships, but often there is a "hole" (one resist will be slightly lower than the others). The advantage you have with a missile ship is that you can carry all 4 types of missiles and switch to whatever is needed. Although, in general, the resist "holes" are likely to be as Ralph described above. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7644
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:15:52 -
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Katlyn Koreth wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Katlyn Koreth wrote:
Guess it was foolish to transport it looking for a better price? .
yes, yes you were. But I have gone to and from that system a lot in the last few days with no problems; I figured the risk was acceptable as I had never ran into a problem before. Were people somehow able to detect I had a plex onboard? And if so, how?
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cargo_Scanner_I
this happens more than you would believe.
while caring plex you are the most efficient isk per hour in new eden,
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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c4binfever
Aurora Security
325
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:16:07 -
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Cargo scanning modules exist, watch out for people hanging around stargates - they are often scouts for gank ships
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Katlyn Koreth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:20:39 -
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Sigh.
Have done a ton of research about the game but I missed that bit of info.
Cannot afford to buy more plex, as I already paid for a long-term sub. Have barely enough to buy a decent mining ship, but is gonna take weeks to earn enough to pvp... and I don't dare take my Heron to lowsec to earn money through scanning because if I lose that, I cant replace it.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7644
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:21:40 -
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buy a cargo scanner...
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Memphis Baas
26
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:22:32 -
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Katlyn Koreth wrote:Were people somehow able to detect I had a plex onboard? And if so, how?
The ships sitting around the gates TO Jita (and IN Jita) have passive targeting modules and ship cargo scanners; you won't know that you're being locked, and you won't know that they're looking at your cargo.
They see a PLEX worth 800 million, and they figure it's worth suiciding a rather costly ship in order to get that plex and still make a profit. If you were in a frigate or industrial ship, that can be destroyed by a rather cheap 1-2 million ISK destroyer, and they can do it in the few shots that they have before CONCORD gets there to kill them. So losing 2 million to get 800 million is a no-brainer.
This kind of PVP is called "suicide ganking" and the players are organized: they have scouts that can scan you from 3-4 gates away, and tell the "kill team" that you're coming via voice-comms, they have websites that they can cut/paste your cargo into to calculate its worth, and they have ships that can target you fast and kill you before CONCORD arrives. And, you're behaving in a predictable manner by setting your destination to a well-known Jita station, where they can set up an ambush and just wait for their scouts to tell them what's coming.
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Katlyn Koreth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:24:46 -
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Guess I should be grateful I didn't get podded too. These implants are the most valuable thing I have left lmao. |
Kane Ceres
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:28:10 -
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Katlyn Koreth wrote:Sigh.
Have done a ton of research about the game but I missed that bit of info.
Cannot afford to buy more plex, as I already paid for a long-term sub. Have barely enough to buy a decent mining ship, but is gonna take weeks to earn enough to pvp... and I don't dare take my Heron to lowsec to earn money through scanning because if I lose that, I cant replace it.
No need to mine just go do any tutorials or even the SOE arc you will get ships and money out of that.
mining is in no way an efficient means of earning isk, especially early on. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7644
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:32:12 -
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do the millatery carrer agents again if you havent allready.
you should also look into the sisters epic arc.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Katlyn Koreth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.12.20 15:46:56 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:do the millatery carrer agents again if you havent allready.
you should also look into the sisters epic arc.
Eh if I wanted to grind through unimaginative pve content I'd still be playing WoW :)
I'm just gonna set a long-term skill plan into motion, and take a break for a bit until I can buy some plex. |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5094
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Posted - 2014.12.20 16:05:01 -
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No offense to OP.
But, after SOO many warning, are people still stupid enough to undock with a plex in their hold
Really...
sorry, but good riddance. Hell, I can't even remember how often I said it and how often I read it from other people how to do it.
If you then still figure that....ooh, nobody will sacrifice a ship about 100mil tops to gank me with my 800+ mil cargo, your logic is massively flawed.
You can continue:
A. As Ralph said, do the damn tutorial. they are for new players to get them going in EVE. And they give you free ships, skills and modules and a good bunch of ISK.
B. Unsub to you can buy another plex and lose that in a ridiculous fashion, so we can laugh again.
Guess, which of the 2 is the better choice, both in terms of logic aswel as making you a better player.
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Katlyn Koreth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.12.20 17:34:40 -
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J'Poll wrote:No offense to OP.
But, after SOO many warning, are people still stupid enough to undock with a plex in their hold
Really...
sorry, but good riddance. Hell, I can't even remember how often I said it and how often I read it from other people how to do it.
If you then still figure that....ooh, nobody will sacrifice a ship about 100mil tops to gank me with my 800+ mil cargo, your logic is massively flawed.
You can continue:
A. As Ralph said, do the damn tutorial. they are for new players to get them going in EVE. And they give you free ships, skills and modules and a good bunch of ISK.
B. Unsub to you can buy another plex and lose that in a ridiculous fashion, so we can laugh again.
Guess, which of the 2 is the better choice, both in terms of logic aswel as making you a better player.
Wow, you're pretty arrogant, eh?
It's not like I"m crying or complaining about it, so there's no need to show up and get nasty about it. You can probably find a better use of your time then looking for people to insult on the forums.
It's people like you that make games like this - and the internet in general - unpleasant.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7647
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Posted - 2014.12.20 18:01:07 -
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jpoll is generally one of the more helpfully (if grumpy) posters here.
don't take it personally.
you will find in general the eve community will wind you up deliberately to see how you handle it before deciding weather to bother with you at all.
so far so good.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Livonia Velorea
The Fiendish Pixies
42
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Posted - 2014.12.20 18:21:35 -
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Frigate pvp is so cheap I wouldn't wait but rather just get stuck in. You don't need much isk to kick it off and should be able to make plenty having fun with your newly fitted frigs.
As for the rockets... well it depends. I myself have been using Rage, Javlins and Caldari Navy with all 4 of the damage types, it just depends what you are fighting against. Rage are great for larger hulls, Javs can punch out at kiters with disruptors and Caldari Navy are your more staple frig vs frig ammo. If you get really min-max focused then Rage for scrammed/webbed mwds frigs and Caldari Navy for the webbed ABs ones.
As for the damage type to choose, lookup the ship and check it's tank type and resist profile before engaging. Experience and intuition play a larger role but another option is to check killboards for peoples fits to see their likely resist hole. You will be indecisive at first when choosing your ammo to so just taking Caldari Navy Scorge is fine while you're getting your feet wet. Once you start getting more comfortable and learning more about ships and their fits in general you will naturally start taking more ammo and damage types. Just don't worry too mcuh about it to begin with as you'll likely be dieing quite a lot as you learn.
The most important thing to do however is to critique each and every death mail. Talking to your killer proves very helpful most of the time aswell, you would be supprised how many are willing to chat about what you did wrong. These are the best ways to learn and improve.
I pew you too! <3
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Snuffed Out
6839
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Posted - 2014.12.20 18:31:48 -
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You have learned a valuable lesson today Katlyn Koreth.
Merry Christmas.
ps: check your wallet.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
434
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Posted - 2014.12.20 19:16:22 -
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In general you really should do the tutorials and then the epic chain that starts in Arnon, all in all those missions net you some +15mils in ISK and some free ships and loot which to sell or to start your career in EVE.
Also unlike most missions epic arc is actually rather interesting to follow through and even requires a bit of thinking or losing ships in the process.
When done find your self a corp that suits your needs and make use from those free frigs and a dessie that you get from tutorials and epic arc.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5095
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Posted - 2014.12.20 20:15:29 -
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Katlyn Koreth wrote:J'Poll wrote:No offense to OP.
But, after SOO many warning, are people still stupid enough to undock with a plex in their hold
Really...
sorry, but good riddance. Hell, I can't even remember how often I said it and how often I read it from other people how to do it.
If you then still figure that....ooh, nobody will sacrifice a ship about 100mil tops to gank me with my 800+ mil cargo, your logic is massively flawed.
You can continue:
A. As Ralph said, do the damn tutorial. they are for new players to get them going in EVE. And they give you free ships, skills and modules and a good bunch of ISK.
B. Unsub to you can buy another plex and lose that in a ridiculous fashion, so we can laugh again.
Guess, which of the 2 is the better choice, both in terms of logic aswel as making you a better player. Wow, you're pretty arrogant, eh? It's not like I"m crying or complaining about it, so there's no need to show up and get nasty about it. You can probably find a better use of your time then looking for people to insult on the forums. It's people like you that make games like this - and the internet in general - unpleasant.
Let's see.
A. OP tends to slightly think money makes a good pilot (by the, I won't play till I can buy a PLEX again).
B. OP rejects the best advice given...Do them damn tutortials, they are there for a reason. To teach you how stuff works.
C. OP complains that he doesn't have enough ISK for a Venture, yet the tutorial gives you 2 of them...for free.
D. OP finds it weird that people gank him wit a PLEX in hold, yet he had no issues before flying in and out of Jita empty / with sensable cargo in his ship.
Hmz, should I really bother with helping the OP. Not really, just here to show people how to NOT play EVE efficiently.
p.s.
For the ...a forget it, I'm not counting anymore...time.
Don't undock with a PLEX as there is NEVER a reason to undock with one. Period.
As for the rocket issue:
I tend to do 1 of 2 options, bit depending on life expectancy of the ship:
A. Load up C.N. Sourge and bring 1 or 2 reloads
B. Load up C.N. Scourge but bring some of the other damage types too.
Most of the time, you are already commited to the fight and with frigates, it's not very effective to reload to change damage type.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
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Utari Onzo
13.
Enigma Project
86
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Posted - 2014.12.20 20:20:37 -
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J'Poll wrote:Katlyn Koreth wrote:[quote=J'Poll]stuff
Stuff
The issue here J'poll isn't the advice given, it's the fact you seem to have jumped right down OP's throat. They don't know you, and you don't know them. They're new to eve and learned the hard way the cost of their stupid mistake. There wasn't, however, any need to post the vitrol you did. It's almsot like you took it personally that some noob lost a plex in cargo?
New York, Paris, Peckham, Jita
13. is recruiting
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Memphis Baas
27
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Posted - 2014.12.20 21:54:55 -
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OP's post history seems to indicate a newbie; first post is recent, and most posts are newbie questions or comments.
In-game corp history shows she joined the game in 2010, joined what looks like a PVE corp. which got wardecced 2 months later, prompting the OP to leave that corp and probably the game, until recently.
A 100k bounty has been placed on her in the past 5 hours. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Snuffed Out
6853
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Posted - 2014.12.21 06:12:26 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:A 100k bounty has been placed on her in the past 5 hours.
That was me. Hehehehehe. 
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
798
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Posted - 2014.12.21 06:37:25 -
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J'Poll wrote: OP finds it weird that people gank him wit a PLEX in hold, yet he had no issues before flying in and out of Jita empty / with sensable cargo in his ship.
I seem to recall a certain story along the same lines. This one hitting close to home JP? 
Edit: If you don't like PVE or mining don't do it. Sounds like faction warfare might be for you. Should definitely make you enough money to keep you in cheap pvp frigs. Look for a decent corp, they'll likely help you out with funds as well if you have a good attitude.
Adventures
New player with questions? Join my public channel in game: House Forelli
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5102
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Posted - 2014.12.21 09:20:55 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:J'Poll wrote: OP finds it weird that people gank him wit a PLEX in hold, yet he had no issues before flying in and out of Jita empty / with sensable cargo in his ship. I seem to recall a certain story along the same lines. This one hitting close to home JP? Edit: If you don't like PVE or mining don't do it. Sounds like faction warfare might be for you. Should definitely make you enough money to keep you in cheap pvp frigs. Look for a decent corp, they'll likely help you out with funds as well if you have a good attitude.
Yep Cara.
But I didn't think...let's stop playing till I can buy a PLEX again. I thought, let's learn from this and become a better player.
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Ethikos
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
49
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Posted - 2014.12.21 16:02:18 -
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There is another option here as well OP. If you want to learn PvP I highly recommend joining a new player friendly organization that will help teach you PvP. The added bonus is that a lot of these organizations give away free T1 Frigates to their newbros specifically to help you get on your feet PvP wise. The two I would recommend you look into are EvE University and Brave Newbies. If you have any time on Reddit, Dreddit in TEST (allied with Brave Newbies) is another good one.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5191552#post5191552 - Sniggwaffe (Waffles)
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Soloman Jackson
Locust Assets
74
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Posted - 2014.12.21 16:55:02 -
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Next time you buy a PLEX leave it in the "Redeem" queue and fly to the station you wish to sell it at THEN redeem it. Never...EVER fly with one in your hold. No reason to.
Hope you find your path in EVE. It can be a difficult game to wrap your head around, but at the same time be the most enjoyable gaming experiences out there.
See you in the space lanes...
Fly fast and deadly. o7
"I heard you know a thing or two, about a thing or two. Maybe we can come to an understanding..."
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Quanah Comanche
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2014.12.21 20:36:20 -
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Back in olden times there wasn't none of them newfangled PLEX thingys no how. |
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