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Xi Santor
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Posted - 2003.10.19 23:23:00 -
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I've been in this game for getting on 2 weeks now. Up until just now I like what I've seen so far. I've worked my ass off to buy skills and get myself a half decent frigate and some half decent modules/guns to fit on it. I've done this by myself with no help from a corp or a benificiary. Tonight I'm travelling on my way back to Cistuaevert from an agent mission when my brand new Tristan (which before tonight I didn't even know I could insure until someone told me after the event) gets blown out the sky by some mindless numbskull called Gunni from some pathetic corp calling themselves moo or something.
So I call the guy up and ask him why he's blown my ship up. And he says to me "cos I could... l8r dude".
Have I just been unluckly? Is this what I should expect in the future? Mindless indescriminate killing of noob players? If so I'd rather close my account right now.
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Noggy
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Posted - 2003.10.19 23:28:00 -
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Sorry to hear that happened..
But next time you buy a game RTFM!!
it tells you all about pirates and insurance and even browsing these boards a bit should teach you a few things. Dont stress too much though.. If you are struggling in game I will help you out. Send me a convo.
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Noggy
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Shani
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Posted - 2003.10.19 23:30:00 -
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Is this what I should expect in the future? Mindless indescriminate killing of noob players?
yes
youve learned the hard way...now find out how to evade and be aware 
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Xi Santor
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Posted - 2003.10.19 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Xi Santor on 19/10/2003 23:37:46
Well I did read the manual from cover to cover twice I think. I cannot remember anywhere in the manual where it explains ship insurance. I've just taken another scan through the manual and looked through the index and its not listed there. Maybe, instead of being all high and mighty you might be able to point out where this is explained?
Xi
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Zezman
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Posted - 2003.10.19 23:35:00 -
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Um, dude, welcome to PvP.
That's Player Vs Player.
Surely you aren't suprised that people hunt people in online games that allow it?
Perhaps you will want to join a pirate hunting corp that is out to kill the killers?
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Talak Relketh
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Posted - 2003.10.19 23:37:00 -
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But next time you buy a game RTFM!!
Unfortunately the manual was out of date after Beta 5 
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Xi Santor
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Posted - 2003.10.19 23:40:00 -
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Right, well if this is the sort of response I'm going to get then I guess CCP will have one less customer to worry about. Can they afford to loose customers? Is it customer policy to allow new players to get shafted?
Xi
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Rokesh
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Posted - 2003.10.19 23:47:00 -
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Slightly off-topic, but just had a look in the manual and it doesn't mention insurance?
Another point of note is that the warning box for entering low sec space only appears if you do the jump manually. I'm a little unclear as to whether this was intended, should i report it as a bug?
I couldn't actually find the security level stuff either, it was a quick glance and may be in the IG tutorial though (i haven't done it since they re-wrote it).
When i actually pause to think about it, isn't something seriously lacking here? New-player awareness in regards to a lot of the combat elements of the game perhaps? this is a PvP game after all....
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Racknan
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Posted - 2003.10.19 23:56:00 -
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It dosn't help that the manual is waaaaaaaaaaaay out of date.
The current build is 1238.. the manual was written for 934. Yep - 304 builds out of date. YOu best bet is to read stuff on the fourms and in the knowlegde base. Or even join the help channel and just watch. (f12 - help channel).
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Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.10.19 23:59:00 -
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Insurance was introduced after the game launched, a right bit after if i think back correctly.
The manual was produced for version 930 when eve went gold i think, we are now version 1238ish.... depending on how much u love chaos server.
You get ship killers, they usually exist in lower security rated space, agents can be very bold and make u travel thru this space, bets be swift about it, or be equipped to punch back.
bad luck on the tough lesson, but you'll bounce back, I suggest joining a corp, as eve as a loner, is very difficult unless you ahev a great understanding of the nerfed (read modified) game mechanics, withina corp, there is greater support.
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voodoo
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Posted - 2003.10.20 00:00:00 -
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This should make you feel a lil better Gunni got his arse handed to him earlier tonight and he lost a nice BS so i guess what they say "what comes around goes around"
They blew his ship up "CUZ THEY COULD"
l8er dude....
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2003.10.20 00:35:00 -
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Stay in the high-security systems if you want to avoid the griefers. Of course, up until very recently they didn't care about what security rating the system they were in had, but you should be relatively safe in .5-upwards systems. I for one have never been fired on and killed in anything else than 0.0 systems, and I've been playing since july.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.20 00:53:00 -
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Stay in the high-security systems if you want to avoid the griefers. Of course, up until very recently they didn't care about what security rating the system they were in had, but you should be relatively safe in .5-upwards systems. I for one have never been fired on and killed in anything else than 0.0 systems, and I've been playing since july.
Might as well be truthful about it.
Anyone with the slightest bit of determination can kill anyone in any solarsystem.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Cruise
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Posted - 2003.10.20 00:57:00 -
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You learned a hard, quick lesson about the diversity of this game. Sorry you took it so hard, but people taking your ship out from under you IS a part of this game. Sometimes people WILL shoot you down just to do it. It may suck in your estimation, but this game grants the player a myriad of gameplay options and that, my friend, is one of them.
My suggestion is to get back into the saddle, as it were, get yourself into a decent corp - it really does make this game come alive - and start asking questions. You'll find there are a good many people out there that will be more than happy to enlighten you on the workings of this game.
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Draaven
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Posted - 2003.10.20 01:47:00 -
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Xi Santor:
Unfortunately, these forums often show the worst side of the Eve community. Please don't make any judgements based on the negative feedback you see from some people in here.
Going it solo is always tougher, and some of the good folks here have indirectly offered you a home within their corporation. In my opinion, that's the best way to learn about the game. You'll make friends and learn through their experiences, past and present. And if you're smart, you won't make the same mistakes they did.
If you still can't find your way or are having a rough go of it, drop me a line. Pegasus Endeavors will be more than happy to assist getting you back to your feet and showing you the ropes.
Best wishes
- Draaven
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DATEK
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Posted - 2003.10.20 02:23:00 -
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Join a farily large corporation that doesn't allow pirating/griefing, etc. Learn from your new experienced friends. Knowledge is power, and there is strength in numbers. Then, when the time comes Gunni is least expecting it, hunt him down with some friends and make him suffer. Grief to the griefers.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.10.20 03:56:00 -
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Um, dude, welcome to PvP.
That's Player Vs Player.
But it wasn't, was it? PvP is two players fighting EACH OTHER. The vast majority of PKing that's talked about on these boards (I have no way of knowing if that reflects what actually happens in-game) is not people fighting each other, it's a guy in a battleship massacring guys in cruisers/frigates, and so on. That doesn't qualify as PvP at all, because the battleship guy is faced with no more threat than a truck driver has to worry about retaliation from hedgehogs.
Whether both types of player-killing should be in the game is a whole other issue, of course. Hard to see how you could allow one and prevent the other, though.
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Zarthan
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Posted - 2003.10.20 04:53:00 -
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i can't help but reply....this entire game is pvp. for those who would have trouble grasping this idea look at it this way. You fight people in the market via price wars, you fight people literally with ships, u fight to do the agent missions quicker then the other guy to get the best stuff first. If you can't realize that the point of this game is to beat all the other players within the legal confines of the game then im not sure how to help you.
As for what xi said, ye xi if you leave protected space you can get killed. And even in protected space if you dont pay attention you cant get killed. However, this is half the fun of eve as the universe has a way of keeping you on your toes. Some people learn it harder then others but you will find this game well wortht he effort despite your losses. One thing however and this IS in the manual if you want to check u should use the f10 map when traveling anywhere. There is many useful things in it.
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Stoop
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Posted - 2003.10.20 04:57:00 -
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Gunni is actually a cool guy, and he used to not be a PKer at all, its only recently that he went pirate. Lots of people are getting bored with the game and doing just that. PKing in that manor, or griefing if you want to call it that, is not nearly as bad as it used to be. Old school m0o you to kill upwards of a hundred people a day. Back when it was much harder to replace a ship, even a frigate.
Its part of the game, and its something that you have to try and avoid. The map in this game is excellent and it will show you where your gang/corp members are, how many people are in a system, where there are stations with certains services.. and for your case, an imporant view is how many ships / escape pods have been killing in an area. Every couple of days make note of the ares that the biggest dots, and write down the names and avoid those. Namely pf-346 and fd-mlj, which is probably where you were killed.
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Ol'Sarge
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Posted - 2003.10.20 06:33:00 -
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But next time you buy a game RTFM!!
it tells you all about pirates and insurance and even browsing these boards a bit should teach you a few things. Dont stress too much though.. If you are struggling in game I will help you out. Send me a convo.
Uhhhh... why don't you RTFM 
The manual was out of date well before retail, and insurance was added after retail.
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Severus Trajan
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Posted - 2003.10.20 06:53:00 -
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Have I just been unluckly? Is this what I should expect in the future? Mindless indescriminate killing of noob players?
First: Yes, I'd say you were a bit unlucky.
Second: No, but you have to take some precautions yourself. It's pretty easy if you know how to do it. Plotting your travels from the map view, with stars coloured by "ships destroyed" or "pods destroyed" can ususally tell you where the bad people are. When I dad tought me to drive many years ago, he gave me the advice to consider all other drivers raving incompetent lunatics until proven otherwise. Much the same applies in this game... :-)
Third: Yes, they will always be around, although they don't care who they kill, noobs or others. One goal to pursue in the game is of course to gain enough skill and influence to kick their sorry behinds.
Sorry about you loss Xi Santor, hope you can come back and we will see you around!
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Xi Santor
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Posted - 2003.10.20 07:23:00 -
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Look... to be honest I did try and stay in the high sec systems. I know about the FD area and the nearest I went to it was Orvolle which if memory serves me is next door and a 0.5 system. Its not like I wandered off into a belt or something. I was on autopilot and this guy still manages to target me and kill me without getting mashed by the sentry guns. Battleship lock times are what, like 9 seconds? I would like to know how he managed to target a frigate on autopilot and kill it from a distance that the sentry guns would not intervene.
I'm not too ****ed off about the ship and bits and pieces on it. What ****es me off is where is the 'sport' in mashing newbs in frigates with sodding great battleships? You've got no chance to do anything about it and because you happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time you get your ass handed to you.
I can take it on the chin but what about the 14 year old who has slaved to get his first decent ship to have that taken from in a millisecond? If I were the 14 year old I wouldn't stick around too long.
Anyway, nice to hear Gunni lost his 'stinking' battleship 
Xi
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2003.10.20 08:03:00 -
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There is no sport but then these guys are not looking for a fair fight - the kind they might lose. Who wants to lose anyway, right?
Sounds like a spell of really bad luck. I've been shot at a few times in the pre-battleship era and have yet to be shot down. You just need to be on your toes, strenghten your defenses and know when to beat it. Monitoring the local channel is also a good idea.
PvP, especially the non-consensual kind, seems to be an inevitable part of the game - I don't much like that either but a few years of online gaming have taught me to cope. Good company helps one do just that :-7
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Posted - 2003.10.20 08:15:00 -
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Ah, another thing you shouldn't take for granted.
Virtually every aspect of the game has skills and modules available to improve it.
Do not assume that a battleship will take 9 seconds to lock. There are skills to decrease locking time, modules too. Most peoples ships have modules (and/or skills) that give them more shields, armour, better shields/armour, faster ships. You name it, you can improve it. (I'm not standing by that as 100% btw, but it's close enough  )
As for your comment about 14-year-olds...
I find most kids under ages 13-14 to be more mature and intelligent (and certainly creative ) than most people who can drive a car. Often more literate too .
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Kane Jacobs
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Posted - 2003.10.20 08:18:00 -
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Damn !!! Im surprised at the replies.. All in all you got about the best welcome on the forum you could get.. hehe Most replies usually goes along the line of: Waahahah get over it or get the **** out Noob !
I can only agree with what most ppl wrote (I glanced through them) Get yourself into a decent corp! It will boost your gameplay a ton!
And they will show you the ropes, teach you the tricks and so on... Until then keep a close eye on local chat if any pirates are around... Maybe we'll meet in space. bye
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2003.10.20 08:32:00 -
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Hi Xi
Stop thinking in terms of sport and right and wrong. Its a game and as such has many players that will do whatever they like for whatever reason they like! I agree for a new player it is a harsh learning curve but I see this as a challenge to test your mettle rather than a reason to moan and quit!
As for Bship lock times well I can lock you in 1 second with mine which boils down to a combination of skills and equipped modules. I suggest you join a corp or at least team up with others untill you find your feet.
There are many players who hunt Pirates each day (me included) So dont think its all bad in EVE just find the right people to mix with and youll do fine.
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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Posted - 2003.10.20 09:53:00 -
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I feel for you as my first podding to date (I would say only but that would be tempting fate with some of the peeps on here ) was much the same. A guy in a megathron came into a belt and blew up my merlin and podded me, 'because I was bored'. Thing is, like a lot of the good people here have said (and by good I mean the one who gave sound advice, not necessarily which side of the law they work on) the best thing to do is to pick yourself up, dust yourself down, make gunni's name the first in your list of people to get back at, and start over.
Yes it's a bit demoralising, but just look upon it as a learning experience. Some of the players in this game don't want a fair fight, they only want to be in control. You know that now and can take whatever steps necessary to try and avoid them. A heck of a lot of other players, however, are helpful. And not all pvp players and pirates are just out to kill anything that moves. Some of them actually do enjoy the thrill of a fight where the other person has more than zero chance of winning.
Don't let one bad experience put you off the game. There is so much more to it than that. As has been told to you several times in this thread, I can only agree - get yourself into a decent corp who can give you lots of advice about the game and help you on your way. Get some experience, and then get even
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Posted - 2003.10.20 10:13:00 -
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I've been in this game for getting on 2 weeks now. Up until just now I like what I've seen so far. I've worked my ass off to buy skills and get myself a half decent frigate and some half decent modules/guns to fit on it. I've done this by myself with no help from a corp or a benificiary. Tonight I'm travelling on my way back to Cistuaevert from an agent mission when my brand new Tristan (which before tonight I didn't even know I could insure until someone told me after the event) gets blown out the sky by some mindless numbskull called Gunni from some pathetic corp calling themselves moo or something.
So I call the guy up and ask him why he's blown my ship up. And he says to me "cos I could... l8r dude".
Have I just been unluckly? Is this what I should expect in the future? Mindless indescriminate killing of noob players? If so I'd rather close my account right now.
Xi
I think this is a blag, no doubt by a Moo alt trying to stir up a little forum advertising.
I have no way of proving this so I could be way off the mark but there is too much knowledge hiding behind the inoccence for me to believe this.
If it was a genuine noob and he did lose his ship, I think a little more caution and a little less moaning is in order. We all get F**ked sooner or later its just a case of learning from the experience.
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Xi Santor
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Posted - 2003.10.20 10:24:00 -
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Moo in a Tristan? Yeah right! Who the hell are these moo people anyway? Looks like some non-descript pathetic little corp full of griefers to me.
Thanks to the people who have offered some constructive comments. I'll be checking out some decent corps in the near future.
To the mindless morons out there who would rather rag on a defenceless newb, crawl back under the rock that you just came from.
Xi
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.10.20 10:37:00 -
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Moo in a Tristan? Yeah right! Who the hell are these moo people anyway? Looks like some non-descript pathetic little corp full of griefers to me.
Thanks to the people who have offered some constructive comments. I'll be checking out some decent corps in the near future.
To the mindless morons out there who would rather rag on a defenceless newb, crawl back under the rock that you just came from.
Xi
Still don't convince me, you are able to post with conviction on here but you have never heard of Moo????
I can't crawl back under my rock, someone has nicked it!!
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