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Nacteom
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.09 21:09:00 -
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Currently I'm flying an Apoc for mining. Can fit a full rack of M2's w/ a decent tank and stabs to get away if I need to, or if I have protection a full rack of M2's and a few mining upgrades. I already have Mining V, Astrogeology V, and Mining Upgrades IV.
Now... would it really be worth my time to spec up through mining barges and exhumers? Would I REALLY see a big difference in my isk/hour? I just need to know if I want to spend the 35 days to get Exhumers III (or just 34 for Mining Barges V) and the extra 20 odd days for Exhumers V... Is it really worth it?
Thanks in advance for any help. :)
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Iyanna Swift
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Posted - 2006.09.09 21:37:00 -
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The difference with ORE ships is Strip miners and ice miners.
A 2 strip miners will be quite a bit faster than a full rack of T2 miners and if you want to mine ice (VERY profitable and essential for capital ships and POSs) you need a barge to do it.
Take a look at the cycle time and quantity stats of the strip and ice miners and standard T2 miners, you may find that 2-3 strip miners mining a relatively cheap mineral could produce more than 4 or more T2 miners mining something better.
Only major disadvantage.... they're not combat ships. Expect a smaller tank and less manouverability, they're really best in groups for mining in low sec.
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Arkhanis
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Posted - 2006.09.09 21:39:00 -
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You really should read this sticky thread :
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=305662
The author compares, for example (chapter 3) Apoc with mining barges. It is up to you to decide, then, if you want to train needed barge skills for the difference he calculated. You are the only one who knows how much you want mine, and therefore if its a good thing for you to go this way, in my opinion
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Zulef
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Posted - 2006.09.10 10:33:00 -
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An Apoc with a full set of M2's will mine more than the medium barge, so unless you intend to go for a Covetor or Exhumers then its not worth your time to train for them.
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.10 11:20:00 -
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if ur in the habit of mining solo. stick with your apoc n simply focus on all the skills to improve ur cap/cpu/power etc (if you havent already  ). If you mine in groups & have others acting as procetcion. then go for the coveter/hulk as itl greatly increase your ore yield. Simularly if you wanna experiment with ice mining youll need a barge for obvious reasons.
The above comments & views do not reflect the opinions of Chorus of Dawn; They might at times reflect those of Cosmic Odyssey; & they definately reflect my own. |
Manticoreian
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Posted - 2006.09.20 18:03:00 -
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A single Strip-miner mines an amount equal to about 4.25 miner2s. With this in mind an apoc with 8 miner2s is just barely less capable as a miner than a medium barge, and a large barge is equal to 12.75 miner2s making it the most effective miner right now. |
wapacz
Ars Caelestis
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.20 19:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Manticoreian
A single Strip-miner mines an amount equal to about 4.25 miner2s. With this in mind an apoc with 8 miner2s is just barely less capable as a miner than a medium barge, and a large barge is equal to 12.75 miner2s making it the most effective miner right now.
An apoc will out mine a retriver pretty much always. There is one time that the retriver will out mine a apoc. That is if the miner has astrgeo 5, mining 5, mining barge 5, t2 strips with t2 crystals and a mining upgrade. At this point you get another 20 to 30 m3 a minute. Than a t2 apoc with astrogeo 5, mining 5 and 1 mining upgrade. This is assuming that the ore doesn't cuase the apoc to lose some units.
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Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
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Posted - 2006.09.21 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Manticoreian
A single Strip-miner mines an amount equal to about 4.25 miner2s. With this in mind an apoc with 8 miner2s is just barely less capable as a miner than a medium barge, and a large barge is equal to 12.75 miner2s making it the most effective miner right now.
It was a while ago, but when I calulated it I got that one strip miner equals roughly to 3 miner 2's (plus skills ofcource). That means Apoc will outmine retriver but not covertor (as is stated also in that stiky thread about mining up there).
Carniflex
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Amior
Amarr
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.21 13:36:00 -
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I suggest you head to exhumer since.. A. you can tank in it for sure!!! I tested a AF against a tanked Hulk. Didn't get no where... Also the Hulk was tested against Angel Rats which are a pain since they do all 4 damage types. So heading to the Hulk is the way to go. Also make sure you fit T2 small drones to kill webber/scram rats.
I made a fraps of me attacking a friendly Hulk. Which I won't post since i'm ashamed!  . If you want his set-up just eve-mail me.
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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente
Intergalactic Mining
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Posted - 2006.09.21 17:16:00 -
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Yes your Apoc will outmine a Retriever with Strip Miner Is.
Strip Miner IIs though may be a different story, I can use them but haven't gotten any to my retriever yet to get a total amount. I think you average 1250m3 or so with a strip miner II, so thats what..... 2500m3/3..... 8XX m3 per minute, about the same I suppose.
When you get into the Big Big ships like covetors and Hulks is where you see the big advantage. Our hulk pilot can fill an entire Jetcan in 17 minutes if in a gang, about 20 if out of a gang. he pulls in about 1500m3 per minute.
If your in a corp that needs ice, but mostly solo mine, then just getting to retriever would be enough, Unless you have the spare time on your hands, and TBH solo mining in the Apoc would be better in 0.0, less risk etc.
His Planetship, CEO, IM
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Angus McDorble
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.23 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Angus McDorble on 23/09/2006 20:37:32
Well, it really depends on what route you want to go...a Retriever is MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper than a battleship, but more frail. It also takes less time to get up skills to snag a Retriever. I fly one and it does me very well.
When all is said and done, though, the single best mining ship in the game is the Hulk. The sticky thread has some awesome math there and I even did some math myself.
The drawback? Hulks are like 400mil, which is, what...four times what a battleship usually goes for? On top of that, Exhumers has some pretty hefty requirements and you need level five of THAT to be able to fly the thing.
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nardaq
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Posted - 2006.09.24 08:27:00 -
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Edited by: nardaq on 24/09/2006 08:27:52
small barge, osprey, mid barge, apoc, large barge, hulk
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.24 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: nardaq
Edited by: nardaq on 24/09/2006 08:27:52
small barge, osprey, mid barge, apoc, large barge, hulk
small barge ewwwwww. Only thing the procurer isgood for is making skiffs.
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Rilder
Solaris Federation
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Posted - 2006.09.24 20:05:00 -
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My procurer makes me more money then my osprey, but I dont jet can mine.
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Taaketa Frist
The Praxis Initiative
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.24 21:59:00 -
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A retreiver will beat a mining cruiser with a mining upgrade and maxed out skills.
It does not however, have enough cargo space for two cycles so you have to keep emptying into your can every cycle.
A Covetor will beat an Apoc mining (although if mining out in 0.0 the Apoc might be better unless you have a dedicated ratter in the system).
A Hulk will just beat anything that comes against it with maxed out skills and correct module use.
As a note of interest. With Mining Director 5, Squadron 4, and the Foreman Implant I can burn a can in 19 minutes with my covetor and strip 1s. I expect it to be 16 or so minutes in a Hulk with Strip 1s and even more with modulated (if I can be bothered with the crystals and what not)
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