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Sgt JoNeZ
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:30:00 -
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I think that massive lag or unexpected server crashes should tricker free game time...
I would be a good way to compensate us players, who suffers with all the problems eve seems to be facing at the moment.
I know alot of other mmoprgs does this and I think it is only fair!
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:35:00 -
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I know alot of other mmoprgs does this and I think it is only fair!
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Sgt JoNeZ
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Gonada
I know alot of other mmoprgs does this and I think it is only fair!
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your a lier and a troll
Okay say whatever but I can only talk from experience...
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:39:00 -
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So which mmo does this?
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TheMessanger
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:41:00 -
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jesus christ. half the forums on general are about lag. just make 1 dam centralized post and put all your complaing their. do you realize that right now 12 member of the isd have commited suicide from stress and all the rabble rabble rabble posts?
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Malicious Wraith
The Dark Side of the Moon
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:42:00 -
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No
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Sgt JoNeZ
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:44:00 -
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http://www.seedthegame.com/ - for one.
Yeah we tried to keep it in a thread but then they locked it...
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Raquel Smith
Ferengi Commerce Authority
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:46:00 -
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Why are you complaining about "lag" when you freely give up hours upon hours of gaming time whilst asleep, at work, or school? Surely you should be whining about not having to pay for the times you're not playing.
Nice troll, though, but not very original.
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Fuujin
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:48:00 -
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Here's a way to remove lag...
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Hippo117
Caldari
9th Fleet Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Hippo117 on 09/09/2006 23:51:22
No. People should learn to deal. Paying for a concert just to get stuck in traffic with all the otherconcertgoers and getting there 3 hours late doesnt get you a refund or free extra time after the concert, and neither should this.
Originally by: Nikolus Wrighte
i have a feeling you just linked a duplicate sight. like that one ccp warned us about. ban him
Are you daft? Thats clearly the myeve.eve-online.com page, ala why the url is (omg!) 'myeve.eve-online.com' 
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Nikolus Wrighte
Caldari
Xtreme Intruders
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:49:00 -
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i have a feeling you just linked a duplicate sight. like that one ccp warned us about. ban him
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Sgt JoNeZ
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:52:00 -
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I know there are times were I do not play put when i pay I should be able to play when i want!
It is like saying if you pay for cable TV or internet you would not care that is was not working when you needed it to, just as long it is working while your sleeping...
And watch up with the flameing it is just a suggestion...
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DeODokktor
Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: TheMessanger
jesus christ. half the forums on general are about lag. just make 1 dam centralized post and put all your complaing their. do you realize that right now 12 member of the isd have commited suicide from stress and all the rabble rabble rabble posts?
Listing upsides to people posting about the same issue might get you block'd..
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DeODokktor
Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hippo117
Edited by: Hippo117 on 09/09/2006 23:51:22
No. People should learn to deal. Paying for a concert just to get stuck in traffic with all the otherconcertgoers and getting there 3 hours late doesnt get you a refund or free extra time after the concert, and neither should this.
your giving a poor example.
He's not getting to the concert late.
The concert doesnt have any working speakers and the lights are out. So it's a totally dark concert, and no one can hear the singing.
(If your going to give examples, make them a good one)..
And I dont think that people should get "free time" for random lag..
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Sivlan
Amarr
Purify
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Adonis 4174
So which mmo does this?
World of Warcraft.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:58:00 -
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So you mean all the people whining about the WoW servers all being down after the recent patch and being told they weren't getting any recompense for three days' outage were given free time after all?
I find that hard to believe having been there and affected by it.
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Lygos
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:59:00 -
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Don't they pay by the hour on the China server? Or is that a different game? I'm thinking of WoW aren't I?
I stand by my position that $130 for a year's entertainment is a suspiciously good deal.. much like a smack dealer's freebies.
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Kyrkov
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.10 00:00:00 -
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World of warcraft, ultima online and shadowbane all compensate for loss of gametime, if the server is down a whole day for exemple they'll give a free day, they do not compensate lag however.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2006.09.10 00:07:00 -
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Late last month I was affected by WoW's european outages. I was not compensated and the forums were full of people quoting blizzard TOS saying nobody would be. It was 3 days before it was sorted out.
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Taaketa Frist
The Praxis Initiative
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.10 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Taaketa Frist on 10/09/2006 00:13:21
The forementioned games have all had extensive down time (that is more than 3 days of unstable server issues not allowing players to connect and play).
Eve has a total of maybe what? 27 hours max downtime with the Dev team working round the clock to get it fixed and up again (after Dragon code patch anyway)
I don't think we could ask anymore of the Dev team for their hardwork.
My question is if a game like WoW has so many subscribers etc why did their shards take 3 days to get online when the Dev's here at CCP can get theirs functioning again in a day in half and this server handles a whole lot more in regardess to what each individual WoW Shard wholes (4000 players per shard isn't it?)
Oh and lag will never be compensated as there are at LEAST 4 groups you can blame for lag and not one will own up to it.
1) Yourself
2) Your ISP
3) Your Backbone link to the rest of the world
4) CCP (well maybe ccp would own to lag if they were sure it was their problem)
But really, people talking about lag here. I don't understand Eve has always been the same quality of game as I have ever played it and I've never had any issues with it that hasn't been caused by myself or just the fact my pc is getting old.
Of course I've spent most of my eve life in 0.0 so many I just happen to be better off than most people.
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Kyrkov
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.10 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Taaketa Frist
Edited by: Taaketa Frist on 10/09/2006 00:13:21
The forementioned games have all had extensive down time (that is more than 3 days of unstable server issues not allowing players to connect and play).
Eve has a total of maybe what? 27 hours max downtime with the Dev team working round the clock to get it fixed and up again (after Dragon code patch anyway)
I don't think we could ask anymore of the Dev team for their hardwork.
My question is if a game like WoW has so many subscribers etc why did their shards take 3 days to get online when the Dev's here at CCP can get theirs functioning again in a day in half and this server handles a whole lot more in regardess to what each individual WoW Shard wholes (4000 players per shard isn't it?)
Oh and lag will never be compensated as there are at LEAST 4 groups you can blame for lag and not one will own up to it.
1) Yourself
2) Your ISP
3) Your Backbone link to the rest of the world
4) CCP (well maybe ccp would own to lag if they were sure it was their problem)
But really, people talking about lag here. I don't understand Eve has always been the same quality of game as I have ever played it and I've never had any issues with it that hasn't been caused by myself or just the fact my pc is getting old.
Of course I've spent most of my eve life in 0.0 so many I just happen to be better off than most people.
I don't think I've ever seen a wow server down more then a day as well, and we've been compensated for half a day at times, I've so far had 5 days added to my account, sometimes for a days worth of offline servers, sometimes for a few hours. The point is tho, it's the company's decision to add gametime not the players.
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The Slayer
Caldari
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.09.10 00:23:00 -
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You realise, friend, if we got free time for lag this game wouldnt cost anyone anything at all?
ICEBURN ON CCP, BOOYA.
Seriously, no.
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D'onryu Shoqui
Gallente
Vengeance of the Fallen
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.10 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sivlan
Edited by: Sivlan on 09/09/2006 23:56:25
Originally by: Adonis 4174
So which mmo does this?
World of Warcraft.
(Edit: not for lag, for severe server downtime)
WOW has done it for lag a few times , they have also dont it when its been something out of there control aswell, i remember back when i played wow one of the routers alot of people had to go through on the way to the server was broken for 2 days and they extended everyones account by 1 day.
im talking about WOW europe btw not the american servers.
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Too Kind
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Posted - 2006.09.10 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Adonis 4174
So which mmo does this?
Got a bunch of free days in wow, 5 or so during the few months I've been playing. I got them, because they had problems, but don't remember exactly for what.
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Hippo117
Caldari
9th Fleet Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.10 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: DeODokktor
He's not getting to the concert late.
The concert doesnt have any working speakers and the lights are out. So it's a totally dark concert, and no one can hear the singing.
However, the majority of people can connect and play, and only seem to have lag (or in the severe case disconnects). That is the majority, the people that cannot log in are not a majority, nor is it CCP's fault that they can login while others can. I agree with you that lag != reimbursement though, so i dont want to fight over examples with someone i agree with :p
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Booby > Rokh
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Cutie Chaser
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.09.10 00:50:00 -
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I've recieved gametime, I've recieved double experience for a week, and most importantly I've recieved a PROMPT EXPLINATION of WTH is going on, and what was being done to rectify the situation.
What I have never recieved before is the sort of runaround that seems to infest EVE CS of late. When I envy the treatment I used to get from SOE there are issues.
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Darktec
Caldari
QUANT Corp.
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Posted - 2006.09.10 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt JoNeZ
I think that massive lag or unexpected server crashes should tricker free game time...
I would be a good way to compensate us players, who suffers with all the problems eve seems to be facing at the moment.
I know alot of other mmoprgs does this and I think it is only fair!
I think you and everyone else that complains should STFU and leave, that will solve all the server porblems.
God im sick of hearing all this bull****
GO BACK TO WOW
and leave us who have the IQ to understand that mmos have problems, and they will get resolved will be happy, cause there wont be any lag, cause ppl like you wont be here to take up server space.
STFU and play, or leave.
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evistin
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.10 00:55:00 -
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I will make this a general comment, not targetted at anyone.
I read the forums and I see like 90% of the people complaining are from crowded systems.
If you go into the city and get stuck in rush hour traffic, you don't scream to the goverment I want my 15 mins back due to "laggy" traffic.
Oh as for the argument that you are paying for a service, drivers you pay road tax right?
No-one likes lag, and everyone wants it to magically end. Not that simple sadly!!
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Darktec
Caldari
QUANT Corp.
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Posted - 2006.09.10 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Titus Duxas
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No. People should learn to deal. Paying for a concert just to get stuck in traffic with all the otherconcertgoers and getting there 3 hours late doesnt get you a refund or free extra time after the concert, and neither should this.
If the roads and highways were owned and maintained by the same people who organised the concert then i think that I would be VERY entitled to a refund
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Feline Ferocity
Caldari
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2006.09.10 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: TheMessanger
jesus christ. half the forums on general are about lag. just make 1 dam centralized post and put all your complaing their. do you realize that right now 12 member of the isd have commited suicide from stress and all the rabble rabble rabble posts?
Lol, yeah i can see where your comming from with all these 'lag' posts and that they are all over the general discussion forums, i do think they should be kept as one single thread (or maybe 2 at most) 
[Rabble+Mode=ON]But maybe, just maybe if CCP did something about this then there wouldn't be so many threads, posts and whiners complaining about it (Delete and ban all bookmark thingies!!).
Lol and ISD wouldn't be commiting suicide over it either  [/Rabble+Mode=Off]
Ahh, i feel much better now...  
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Titus Duxas
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Posted - 2006.09.10 01:30:00 -
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Not my analogy. I was just quoting the post and its audacity to suggest that lag has nothing to do with CCP
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Hippo117
Caldari
9th Fleet Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.10 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Titus Duxas
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No. People should learn to deal. Paying for a concert just to get stuck in traffic with all the otherconcertgoers and getting there 3 hours late doesnt get you a refund or free extra time after the concert, and neither should this.
If the roads and highways were owned and maintained by the same people who organised the concert then i think that I would be VERY entitled to a refund
Thank you, thats what i was aiming for. Lag is not ccp's problem, their problem is database queue's, and making the game run. Last night the server was restarted because nodes were crashing. CCP fixed that. It is not their fault that there are 25000+ simultaneous connections going into one server in london, yet people expect compensation for it, and this is wrong.
and dont say that there should be reimbursement because WOW did it, because thats the stupidest argument possible.
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Titus Duxas
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Posted - 2006.09.10 01:44:00 -
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Thank you, thats what i was aiming for. Lag is not ccp's problem, their problem is database queue's, and making the game run. Last night the server was restarted because nodes were crashing. CCP fixed that. It is not their fault that there are 25000+ simultaneous connections going into one server in london, yet people expect compensation for it, and this is wrong.
Sorry am I missing something here? Who decided that eve should be run on a single server in London? who maintains the database? Who advertised and recruited 25000+ players
I think that there is only one answer to the above questions and it aint the players
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flangpoo
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Posted - 2006.09.10 01:56:00 -
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Wasnt this whole bm thing supose to help with the lag? And all the lag prepatch was from people making bms?
And then the patch and lag is still here and worst then befor prepatch.
lol all the whiners got their wish and its still fubared
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D'onryu Shoqui
Gallente
Vengeance of the Fallen
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.10 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: evistin
I will make this a general comment, not targetted at anyone.
I read the forums and I see like 90% of the people complaining are from crowded systems.
If you go into the city and get stuck in rush hour traffic, you don't scream to the goverment I want my 15 mins back due to "laggy" traffic.
Oh as for the argument that you are paying for a service, drivers you pay road tax right?
No-one likes lag, and everyone wants it to magically end. Not that simple sadly!!
you think those of us who live in 0.0 dont experience lag? node crashes?
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.09.10 02:33:00 -
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hmmmmm i wouldnt usualy moan about lag, eve does lag all the time but its steady lag and you know whats what
sinse the last patch has been deployed i have had some right odd things happening
like a gang camping a gate and a hostile jumps thru - half the gang sees him on overview and the other half dont
ships that flick up on overview for a faction of a second just as they enter warp and then are gone
constant tiny pauses in the game etc
people have been moaning about lag for a long time now but i have never seen it until now and i do not like it
something went wrong with eve recently and it better get some dev attention soon cause eventually i fear its going to cost me a ship and then im going to have to deal with the petition system...then i can come on here an moan about that aswell 
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Hippo117
Caldari
9th Fleet Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.10 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Titus Duxas
Sorry am I missing something here? Who decided that eve should be run on a single server in London? who maintains the database? Who advertised and recruited 25000+ players
I think that there is only one answer to the above questions and it aint the players
CCP decided that eve should be run on a single server in london. Does that make connections to and from it their fault? Fo course not.
CCP maintains the database and the server. When the server was dying last night, did they fix it? Yes, they did.
CCP advertized and recruited hundreds of thousands of players. Is it CCP's fault that their game is successful and that more and more are joining it every day? Yes, it is. Tell me flat out that this is hurting CCP finanically and tell me why they would want to stop doing it, then you try telling that to any marketing expert.
So there you go, its CCP's fault that the server is in london, its CCP's job to maintain the server, and its certianly CCP's fault that they created and run a popular game. What more do you want? Have you ever thought that maybe its only the people that are lgging that are making forum posts and that those who arent lagging at all are being quiet on the forums because if they piped up they would be flooded with comments from the lagging players about how their game is inplayable, how the laggless player is lucky, should be pittyful for a lagging person, and support a lagging player with free time? Sure, theres no reason why someone wouldnt want a free day, but is it really worth all the *****ing and moaning which happens all the time?
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.09.10 03:07:00 -
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What more do you want?
we want them to make the lag go away so we can continue to enjoy their popular game
a certain amount of lag just has to be accepted and dealt with but when it gets to teh point that its interfearing with the normal functioning of the game there is a problem
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Cutie Chaser
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.09.10 03:43:00 -
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I cannot begin to understand the mentallity that would lead one to say that CCP's server and database architecture is not their responsibility.
They designed it, they coded it, they brought in more people than it can handle. I'm not sure how they can be absolved from any of that.
People say we should praise CCP and cut them slack because they have managed to have 30k simultanious users. I say big friggin deal. Chosing a design that flies in the face of reason and being able to pull it off is not worthy of applause.
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Dario Wall
Caldari
Bravehearts
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Posted - 2006.09.10 04:05:00 -
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NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
Basically, CCP doesn't have to reimburse anyone for lost playing time, because each and every one of us agrees to this from the moment we first sign up. End of discussion.
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nahtoh
Caldari
Bull Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.10 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cutie Chaser
They designed it, they coded it, they brought in more people than it can handle. I'm not sure how they can be absolved from any of that.
You can help with this part...quit.
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.09.10 04:31:00 -
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Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 10/09/2006 04:31:36
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NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
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Basically, CCP doesn't have to reimburse anyone for lost playing time, because each and every one of us agrees to this from the moment we first sign up. End of discussion.
booo booo hiss booo that kind of rubbish is what im forced to agree to everytime i install a game, it belongs to big faceless companys that care not 1 iota about their customers once they have payed for whatever the product in question might be
it exists to protect companys from idiot compensation claims and is needed when you live in a world where some countrys encourage you to sue for damages every time you stub your toe or see something that might offend your delicate perceptions
how much does this really count for in the real world?
i know ccp are better than that... ok you cover yourself but you dont really beleive it do you ?
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"AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind
imagine what you could sell under that agreement
lol escrow scam anyone?
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.09.10 04:32:00 -
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couple things
wow and uo have recompensated time ( 1 day) but that works out to 66 cents a day.
but never for lag, even unreasonable lag, whoever said that is full of it.
for everyone else ill gladly reimburse you your 66 cents, bend over and ill insert it.
cheap bastages lol
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DropZone 187
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Posted - 2006.09.10 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dario Wall
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NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
Basically, CCP doesn't have to reimburse anyone for lost playing time, because each and every one of us agrees to this from the moment we first sign up. End of discussion.
It is a good thing then that the credit card companies don't honor such agreements designed to only benefit the merchant and remove the rights of the payee. Failing to provide a service that has been paid for by a payee is entitled to reimbusrement regardless of any terms of service agreements. Based upon the unplayability of the game this past month, there is definitely a solid claim for a chargeback.
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Bloody Slave
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Posted - 2006.09.10 05:06:00 -
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Edited by: Bloody Slave on 10/09/2006 05:10:20
Lag? What are you talking about? Comon ppl, come to 0.0, there is a lot of stuff to do here, mining Mercoxit, hunting the high bounty BSs in the belts (luckly some commander will respaw and drop some nice fanction loots - WOOT), some outstanding complexes to get crazy millions ISK, maybe billions in just some minutes, there are soo many things you can do here...
BTW, we are in EC-P8R with a bunch of felows, nice ppl, nice talk, if you come from Caldari State, just head northwest and say hello, we are ready to give you any help that you must need to travel 
EDIT: For corrections in english...
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Darksaber64x
Jump Cloneses
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Posted - 2006.09.10 05:47:00 -
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Eve isn't a game for those who need things now.
Nor is it a game for those who like o whine.
Eve requires patience.
Patience to get those isks, patience for new content, patience for lag to pass, and an extreme amount of patience for those skills to finish.
I have no problems with the server lagging for a while after a patch. They removed a lot of old, outdated code, and are preparing for a lot more new code.
TQ is experienceing growing pains, and it'll share it with all of us. Please, deal with it and stop complaining, or free up some space on the server, and let those who have the patience to wait out the lag problems have their fun.
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