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ninev0lts Gallente Galaxy Punks Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.10 02:27:00 - [1] You either love them or hate them. ok pun out of the way just thought i would give people a friendly warning. Ceti and his acomplis (alt?) trixie have been spotted in sivala. They have been causing a great problem for the Galaxy Punk [L A X] by stealing our ore. now so ceti said LAX are pirats? Frist ive heard of it and ive been a member for 3 months + i would have noticed by now. rational thought came into play. maybe he had the wrong LAX? attempting to talk to him in a an mature way is like trying to get blood from a stone. its never going to happen. Anyway just to let you know keep your ore safe, mine in pairs if you have to. Oh and if you get one of these. 2006.09.10 00:05 Victim: Trixie Labouch Alliance: NONE Corp: Polarized Enterprises Destroyed: Tristan System: Sivala Security: 0.6 Involved parties: Name: ninev0lts (laid the final blow) Security: 1.3 Alliance: Freelancer Alliance Corp: Galaxy Punks Ship: Celestis Weapon: Anode Ion Particle Cannon I Destroyed items: Light Neutron Blaster I Light Neutron Blaster I Overdrive Injector System I Small Capacitor Booster I Asymmetric Energy Succor I (Cargo) ECCM - Omni I (Cargo) Small Energy Neutralizer I (Cargo) Asymmetric Energy Succor I (Cargo) for ceti mail me or post it here. Althought it would be nice if i could collect the set of kills. If you do come across him flashing red. i wouldnt hesitate. destroy him. everyone hes stole from will have your back. Keep an eye out and fly safe.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2006.09.10 04:21:00 - [2] ibtl / ibte (in before edit?) Because I said so...
Zion Zan'threxian	Posted - 2006.09.10 09:11:00 - [3] He's just playing the game :-D...don't dump crap into space it's fair game, you don't have to jetcan mine you can keep it in your ship dock and drop, otherwise it is your own fault and no one should feel bad for it.
Brian Bookmark	Posted - 2006.09.10 09:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Zion Zan'threxian He's just playing the game :-D...don't dump crap into space it's fair game, you don't have to jetcan mine you can keep it in your ship dock and drop, otherwise it is your own fault and no one should feel bad for it. lol so badger mining likeyoudo is the way to go eh ? no, its not.
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.09.10 10:00:00 - [5] There are mechanisims in place to help you prevent ore theiving. If you choose not to use them then fine, just dont complain here. ----- Move along, nothing to see here...
VIctoria Ballentyne Minmatar Pale Riders Incorporated	Posted - 2006.09.10 10:14:00 - [6] Ore Thieves, personally we love them and they hate us. Nothing better than popping a player rat during a mining op to wake up those ore-induced phantasms with some serious dakka dakka dakka pop squish in before retuning to dreams of omber while the gentle purr of the mining lasers sends you back to podsleep...zzzzzzzzz "Forbid a man to think for himself or to act for himself and you may add the joy of piracy and the zest of smuggling to his life"
Raith Seinar	Posted - 2006.09.10 10:34:00 - [7] This may not be the place to do this, but why is it that jetcan mining seems to bring out such anger from the jetcan miner? Jetcan minng involves dropping items from a ship into space....it isn't a secure transaction. So why is it that ore can "thieves" get such a bad rep? They're only taking items that the miner seemingly doesn't want. Yes I jetcan mine on occasion, but no I never complain when it's taken.
Saint Schala	Posted - 2006.09.10 11:09:00 - [8] posting names on the forum like this is pure lame, look look look everyone ***** stole from me. people do this only because they are too lame to do somthing about it themselves in the game either because they are hopeless and cant or chicken and wont.
Nacteom Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.10 12:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Raith Seinar This may not be the place to do this, but why is it that jetcan mining seems to bring out such anger from the jetcan miner? Jetcan minng involves dropping items from a ship into space....it isn't a secure transaction. So why is it that ore can "thieves" get such a bad rep? They're only taking items that the miner seemingly doesn't want. Yes I jetcan mine on occasion, but no I never complain when it's taken. It's kinda like eating a sandwich in a public cafeteria, putting it down on your plate, and turning around to wave to a co-worker. When you turn back towards your sandwich, the guy across the table is munching on it happily.
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2006.09.10 13:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Raith Seinar This may not be the place to do this, but why is it that jetcan mining seems to bring out such anger from the jetcan miner? Jetcan minng involves dropping items from a ship into space....it isn't a secure transaction. So why is it that ore can "thieves" get such a bad rep? They're only taking items that the miner seemingly doesn't want. Yes I jetcan mine on occasion, but no I never complain when it's taken. So when you jettison something, does that means you don't want the items ? The fact is that anyone taking from your can unless they are from your corp or in your gang... gets criminally flagged, that must mean that they have broken a law somewhere right ? in other word.. they have done a criminally act towards you ... they have stolen the ore! So stop with the bull**** that when you jettison something it means that you don't want it. It have been put into the gamemechanics that you do own it, it even got a picture of you in the container !!! Anyway ... that being said, there are as said ingame mechanics to help out here, one .. friends that can shoot at the orethiefs. two .. use secure containers if it is a problem being robbed all the time... or three... find another profession. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.09.10 16:22:00 - [11] Edited by: Samirol on 10/09/2006 16:22:50 Originally by: Nacteom Originally by: Raith Seinar This may not be the place to do this, but why is it that jetcan mining seems to bring out such anger from the jetcan miner? Jetcan minng involves dropping items from a ship into space....it isn't a secure transaction. So why is it that ore can "thieves" get such a bad rep? They're only taking items that the miner seemingly doesn't want. Yes I jetcan mine on occasion, but no I never complain when it's taken. It's kinda like eating a sandwich in a public cafeteria, putting it down on your plate, and turning around to wave to a co-worker. When you turn back towards your sandwich, the guy across the table is munching on it happily. it is like throwing it in the trash, and getting ****ed when someone grabs it out of the trash when you had the full intent of eating it out of the trash. Jettisoning something basically means it is trash, you don't want it. They put in the game mechanic so ore thieves have more risk for their reward, it does not mean it is yours. whiners Maybe not herpes, but I'll give ya goat!-Tirg
Josefine Dark smile'n smite	Posted - 2006.09.10 16:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Arcticblue2 Originally by: Raith Seinar This may not be the place to do this, but why is it that jetcan mining seems to bring out such anger from the jetcan miner? Jetcan minng involves dropping items from a ship into space....it isn't a secure transaction. So why is it that ore can "thieves" get such a bad rep? They're only taking items that the miner seemingly doesn't want. Yes I jetcan mine on occasion, but no I never complain when it's taken. So when you jettison something, does that means you don't want the items ? The fact is that anyone taking from your can unless they are from your corp or in your gang... gets criminally flagged, that must mean that they have broken a law somewhere right ? in other word.. they have done a criminally act towards you ... they have stolen the ore! So stop with the bull**** that when you jettison something it means that you don't want it. It have been put into the gamemechanics that you do own it, it even got a picture of you in the container !!! Anyway ... that being said, there are as said ingame mechanics to help out here, one .. friends that can shoot at the orethiefs. two .. use secure containers if it is a problem being robbed all the time... or three... find another profession. CCP implemented canflagging, because too many mining players whined about that thing... there are so many posts about jetcan mining etc... just live with it or quit the game!! 'Jettison' is equal to 'Trash' smile'n smite killboard
Galliana Foresta Gallente Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2006.09.10 16:49:00 - [13] My old corp had trouble with Ceti and his goons when we were still living up in Essence region. We declared war on his corp to teach him a lesson (this was before the can flagging was introduced) and y'know what he did? Joined a n00b corp... I don't have a problem with ore thieves, after all, I'm quite partial to it now and again myself, but if you're gonna do it, at least have the balls to deal with the consequences. Regards, Galliana Foresta, CEO - Fleeting Moments of Insanity ---------------
Bloodst0ne The Priory	Posted - 2006.09.10 21:09:00 - [14] Edited by: Bloodst0ne on 10/09/2006 21:10:32 Like trying to get blood from a stone.. I am not sure why but I like that comment. -blood I have the "I Win Button" of eve.
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.09.10 22:15:00 - [15] what if the stone was hollowed out in the middle, and filled with blood? whiners Maybe not herpes, but I'll give ya goat!-Tirg
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2006.09.10 22:19:00 - [16] carebear miners are the bottom feeders of eve. Because I said so...
JafoPBCFR	Posted - 2006.09.11 03:18:00 - [17] If your going to jettison something in space it means ya dont want it. And Being good Ecopilots they Clean up what you dont want.
Vogon	Posted - 2006.09.11 07:54:00 - [18] How can they be causing your corp `great problems'? The RMR patch gave you the game mechanics to deal with ore theives yet you still feel the need to whine. Get organised, get shooting and shut up about it www.vogon.homestead.com
Horrid Anna	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Vogon How can they be causing your corp `great problems'? The RMR patch gave you the game mechanics to deal with ore theives yet you still feel the need to whine. Get organised, get shooting and shut up about it www.vogon.homestead.com Well, you stole the ore, that I had just stolen, and you wouldn't stand still long enough for me to pop your cheapy "steal, run and don't care if I lose it ship" ! That was just MEAN! On reflection I don't really want you having a month of kill rights on me anyway, but it's at least given me a new idea on thievery if I'm ever out just doing it for the isk, which would be unusual, as the pathetic whiny miners have no clue just how boring jetcan thievery can be. Easily as boring as mining for the most part. I tried to gain kill rights by turning cans in a shuttle once. And still the whiny miners wouldn't fire. You expect that from China Miner, but from corp miners? There's no hope for some people. Maybe if we should down whiny miner forums, they have no anger vent and it might just induce them into firing more often.
G0rF Gallente The Causality	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:17:00 - [20] Originally by: ninev0lts Anyway just to let you know keep your ore safe, mine in pairs if you have to. Oh and if you get one of these. Umm.. put your hand in your pocket and buy a proper can...? Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Shurikane	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:48:00 - [21] Lovely how a friendly warning to keep an eye out for ore thieves turns into a holy crusade against jet can mining. If I was a senseless bigot, I could've almost said you guys make it worse than macro mining.
Josefine Dark smile'n smite	Posted - 2006.09.11 13:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Horrid Anna Originally by: Vogon stuff... Well, you stole the ore, that I had just stolen, and you wouldn't stand still long enough for me to pop your cheapy "steal, run and don't care if I lose it ship" ! That was just MEAN! On reflection I don't really want you having a month of kill rights on me anyway, but it's at least given me a new idea on thievery if I'm ever out just doing it for the isk, which would be unusual, as the pathetic whiny miners have no clue just how boring jetcan thievery can be. Easily as boring as mining for the most part. I tried to gain kill rights by turning cans in a shuttle once. And still the whiny miners wouldn't fire. You expect that from China Miner, but from corp miners? There's no hope for some people. Maybe if we should down whiny miner forums, they have no anger vent and it might just induce them into firing more often. there is no MONTH KILL RIGHTS!!! can flagging is a thing about 15 minutes.. you pop the thief, than he has 15minutes left to bugger you again... if the counter is gone there is no more harm for you and your buddies... You only get killrights when you kill people in lowsec which are not red flashing... smile'n smite killboard
Gadfly Hawke G-Tek Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.09.11 14:29:00 - [23] Originally by: Nacteom It's kinda like eating a sandwich in a public cafeteria, putting it down on your plate, and turning around to wave to a co-worker. When you turn back towards your sandwich, the guy across the table is munching on it happily. No, it's more like eating a sandwich in a cafeteria, getting up to go to the restroom, and when you get back your sandwich is gone. Moral? Most times you'll get away with it, but the occasions when you don't will keep you on your toes. G-Tek is recruiting
Slarti Loc-Nar	Posted - 2006.09.11 15:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Horrid Anna Originally by: Vogon How can they be causing your corp `great problems'? The RMR patch gave you the game mechanics to deal with ore theives yet you still feel the need to whine. Get organised, get shooting and shut up about it www.vogon.homestead.com Well, you stole the ore, that I had just stolen, and you wouldn't stand still long enough for me to pop your cheapy "steal, run and don't care if I lose it ship" ! That was just MEAN! On reflection I don't really want you having a month of kill rights on me anyway, but it's at least given me a new idea on thievery if I'm ever out just doing it for the isk, which would be unusual, as the pathetic whiny miners have no clue just how boring jetcan thievery can be. Easily as boring as mining for the most part. I tried to gain kill rights by turning cans in a shuttle once. And still the whiny miners wouldn't fire. You expect that from China Miner, but from corp miners? There's no hope for some people. Maybe if we should down whiny miner forums, they have no anger vent and it might just induce them into firing more often. My ship is a special Iteron IV Ghia not as you described it www.vogon.homestead.com
Vogon	Posted - 2006.09.11 15:14:00 - [25] Damm..posted with wrong character... www.vogon.homestead.com
Ildryn	Posted - 2006.09.11 21:04:00 - [26] I just switch it to my can then give them the option to pay me for it or watch it get destroyed...so far ive blown up all of them and havent got paid once...Oh well its good fun
Menod Penter Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.12 00:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Vogon How can they be causing your corp `great problems'? The RMR patch gave you the game mechanics to deal with ore theives yet you still feel the need to whine. Get organised, get shooting and shut up about it Bravo, nicely said. Buy this man a beer :)
Mik Nostrebor Minmatar ORKS	Posted - 2006.09.12 03:39:00 - [28] I love the emotive reasoning in threads like this. OK, the proposition is that Jettisonning (into a jet can) something means that the person does not want it. Ok, proove your statement. I want to hear the proof and I wnat to hear these points addressed along with proofs: 1. When jettisoning items the ship also jettisons a containment field (can) so that the items are kept together and are retievable. 2. There are laws built into the game that allow a person or their corp members to attack someone removing material from a containment field for 15 minutes after the event. This appears to indicate that the game developpers agree that it is theft. If not, prove that they do not. At the moment what you are saying has as much validity as saying that "black is white because my eys are shut". Anyway, what is so hard about admitting it is theft anyway? Sure jet-can mining is risky and insecure, but does that make it right for someone to exploit it by taking ore? Personally I don't think it is "lawful" but I DO think that the criminal role IS A VALID part of the game and that if you nick ore then accept that you are a petty criminal. So what? Mik
Frank Draconian	Posted - 2006.09.12 03:51:00 - [29] I don't see why there is such animosity in here towards jetcan miners. The OP wasn't whining or complaining, he was just giving a heads up to other solo miners who do the same to watch out for certain people. Yes, jetcanning is done "at risk," and most miners know this going in, but stealing is stealing, and alerting other miners to who the ore thieves are is the smart thing to do. Aware miners will check local to see if those ore-thieves are in their system. Most ore-thieves I've encountered are people who are too chicken to be real pirates anyway.
Dr NOe	Posted - 2006.09.12 10:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Mik Nostrebor I love the emotive reasoning in threads like this. OK, the proposition is that Jettisonning (into a jet can) something means that the person does not want it. Ok, proove your statement. I want to hear the proof and I wnat to hear these points addressed along with proofs: 1. When jettisoning items the ship also jettisons a containment field (can) so that the items are kept together and are retievable. 2. There are laws built into the game that allow a person or their corp members to attack someone removing material from a containment field for 15 minutes after the event. This appears to indicate that the game developpers agree that it is theft. If not, prove that they do not. At the moment what you are saying has as much validity as saying that "black is white because my eys are shut". Anyway, what is so hard about admitting it is theft anyway? Sure jet-can mining is risky and insecure, but does that make it right for someone to exploit it by taking ore? Personally I don't think it is "lawful" but I DO think that the criminal role IS A VALID part of the game and that if you nick ore then accept that you are a petty criminal. So what? Mik ROFL Laws in the game. Thats classic.

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