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Derrys Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.10 06:15:00 - [1] Edited by: Derrys on 10/09/2006 06:15:15 "Please stand by for an important announcement..." The screen flickers, revealing an officer in the uniform of the Caldari Navy. Good morning. Today, as of midnight EVE time, APEX Unlimited is no longer a member of the Kimotoro Directive. KD military operations are being directed by pilots of the Caldari Independent Navy Reserve. All members of the Directive are instructed to remain calm and carry out their business as usual. We urge you, however, to remain vigilant for attempts to incite confusion and unrest, to watch out for suspicious activities, and not to respond to provocations. All inquiries regarding this matter are to be directed to myself or other military personnel until further notice. Thank you for your attention, and may the State grow ever stronger. -- Admiral Derrys Otireya Commander, Fleet Operations, Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Fleet Admiral, Kimotoro Directive
Kyguard Our Brothers Five 3rd Front Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.10 06:43:00 - [2] Traitors? === God is on the side with the best artillery.
Vendrin Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2006.09.10 08:31:00 - [3] Originally by: Kyguard Traitors? Hardly. Just a diffrence of opinion. Many of APEX Unlimited members belong to the Liberal Faction within the State. This leads to obvious clashes with the members of CAIN who are mostly members of the Patriot faction. This diffrence of opinion while hardly interfering during times of War and crisis, caused dissent that did not seem to be able to be worked out during peace time. So I decided it was best for APEX to split ways from the Kimotoro Directive. We wish the Directive the best and hope for it's success, but we felt we could provide the best service to the State on our own. _____________________________________ Need help in Caldari Space? Join channel CCDF to give or recieve it.
Lillith Blackheart True Core	Posted - 2006.09.10 13:35:00 - [4] So what are Apex Unlimited's plans for the future now, my good friend? Is there another alliance you're tying on to or are you going to "stay your own course" for a while?
Takitoo Ebon Phoenix	Posted - 2006.09.10 16:45:00 - [5] Any faction that a Sansha calls "good friend" is something I'd watch out for. Call me odd. Especially after KD's shenanigans. ___________________________ snip Inappropriate link removed- Tirg Aww. No more funny.
Usagi Tsukino Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2006.09.10 17:58:00 - [6] Originally by: Derrys We urge you, however, to remain vigilant for attempts to incite confusion and unrest, to watch out for suspicious activities, and not to respond to provocations. Excuse me for saying this but, what the ***? We differ in politics and suddenly it's the official policy of The Directive to treat APEX as if we're planning on inciting a riot or going to engage in sabotage? Amazing. But at least the members of The Directive are safe, as CAIN has everything under control. In case it needs to be said, I speak for me and only for me and my views probably do not represent the views of anyone else in the cluster.* --- Officer Usagi Tsukino Security Division; APEX Unlimited
Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.10 18:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Usagi Tsukino Excuse me for saying this but, what the **? We differ in politics and suddenly it's the official policy of The Directive to treat APEX as if we're planning on inciting a riot or going to engage in sabotage? KD does not expect any problems, as we consider APEX to be our friends unless we see otherwise. The security and safety of all our pilots is Derrys' responsibility, so he's merely taking extra precautions to avoid any confusion. Nikolai Nuvolari Commanding Officer, GDBT KD Board of Directors --------------------- Originally by:** Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period. Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108! byahahahahaha!11 Sig Pwnt - Immy
Graelyn Amarr The Aeternus Crusade Aegis Militia	Posted - 2006.09.10 20:57:00 - [8] Aegis Milita supports the Kimotoro Directive in it's time of change. The pilots of CAIN have long been stalwart defenders of thier State, and I am sure this legacy will continue. Minister of Foreign Affairs - Aegis Militia Fleet Admiral/CEO - The Aeternus Crusade
Van Cleef Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.10 22:10:00 - [9] No Citizen Usagi, we are just attempting to ensure that the Alliance is safe during this transition time. APEX, to my knowledge, are still defenders of the State. We do not, however, want our enemies to take advantage of this transition. CAIN combat pilots are ready to meet any challenges ahead to ensure the saftey of the Alliance. ------------------------------------------------ CEO and Admiral of the Fleet Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM
Usagi Tsukino Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2006.09.10 23:56:00 - [10] Then I apologize, Admiral. Just the overall tone of that particular statement scratched me in the wrong way. I suppose one of the curses of GalNet is that you will never be able to properly place the correct tone on statements! Take care out there, KD. --- Officer Usagi Tsukino Security Division; APEX Unlimited

Strikeclone Caldari Starscreamers	Posted - 2006.09.11 01:46:00 - [11] goo dluck to TKI and apex in this time of transition. Its a shame to see this split, but i'm not supprised, cain can be a hard mob to get along with. Very loyal to each other which is commendable, but it is the loyalty of the sheep to blindly follow the leader. Our state is powerful because of those who do not those who talk about it. Good luck Apex, i've no doubt you will flourish now you are out from the yoke. Strikeclone Celer Et Audax Caldari Prime will be ours again! Hoist Battle Ensigns
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Takitoo Any faction that a Sansha calls "good friend" is something I'd watch out for. Call me odd. Especially after KD's shenanigans. Ah, well, I may call you odd anyway, Takitoo, (that's in a good way, I think...) - but prey tell, what KD shenanigans are you referring to, exactly? I follow GalNet and other info services when I can but time is limited and perhaps something significant has transpired when I wasn't looking. So one wonders: what the heck are you on about? Not that you need to natter, but I'm all about collecting data points. So: Factoids? Data points? Please do share. I'd appreciate context for your comment, at least. On a broader note and of general commentary: this whole issue is of personal interest to me because I (like, I presume, some others) have been lately considering joining a larger established corp in line with my ideals and interests. In this pursuit I have narrowed down my areas of interest to basically 2 groups: namely, APEX and CAIN, as chance would have it. So this kerfluffle is of particular interest to me personally, and I am therefore paying close attention to these most unexpected events. And commentary that it evokes.
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:02:00 - [13] Edited by: Shanaya Venn on 11/09/2006 12:04:50 Originally by: Van Cleef No Citizen Usagi, we are just attempting to ensure that the Alliance is safe during this transition time. And what, prey tell, do you think would endanger it? Quote: APEX, to my knowledge, are still defenders of the State. I don't really know you, Van Cleef, but to read a statement framed that way implies some level of doubt in spite of the "to my knowledge" assertion. No, I have no affiliation with APEX. I am just a skilled user of language. Quote: We do not, however, want our enemies to take advantage of this transition. CAIN combat pilots are ready to meet any challenges ahead to ensure the saftey of the Alliance. I'm an outsider to your organizations (obviously) but nevertheless an interested bystander, because as a fervid nationalist Caldari I have considered both of your organizations as venues for possible career furtherance for myself. that said: to read comments like this: Quote: We urge you, however, to remain vigilant for attempts to incite confusion and unrest, to watch out for suspicious activities, and not to respond to provocations. - directly after reference to APEX, implies that APEX is the entity that may be inciting confusion, unrest and undertaking suspicious activities. That is clear from a basic understanding of plain Caldari. I don't see how a statement like this prevents your enemies from taking advantage of the transition. If you meant this to apply to others ("rabblerousers"?) then some qualifying statement would have been apropo. This is not a mere grammatical quibble, but, to my thinking, a significant and subtly nuanced issue. To wit, when there is a parting of the ways between organizations, it behooves each to be VERY careful about what they say and how they frame it if they want to cultivate a neutral or benign public perception of the sundering and the other group. If not...then not. And it is CAIN that has stepped to the "not" side of this formulation. Perhaps APEX does not take offense at this but I find how you have framed and addressed this issues raises far more suspicious questions for me as a bystander, than it has answered. The way this was expressed does indeed cast aspersions upon APEX (though you protest otherwise). If this public message is at variance with your actual intent, perhaps you should change Information Officers, or educate them better in re media, propaganda, and public information communications. (If I sound exasperated, I am. This sounds all too much like some knee-jerk Amarrian missives I recall from back when when I did more trade there: as soon as one 'trusted' entity left the fold, a circling of wagons ensued. Maybe not what you're doing but if so, that's not what's conveyed by the initial announcement.) -SV ~way particular about the message communicated~
Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate Pure.	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:12:00 - [14] Were APEX removed from Kimotoro Directive for being a Liberally minded corporation? Website / Forums / Recruiting
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:38:00 - [15] Originally by: Yuki Li Were APEX removed from Kimotoro Directive for being a Liberally minded corporation? I am not going to go into the circumstances of their departure too much out of respect for those involved, but I can assure you that APEX left the Directive of their own volition, or at least that of their principal shareholders. They were not expelled from the Directive for their political views. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet Chief of Diplomatic Staff Captain, CNS Silken Voice Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Gexploits Caldari Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica	Posted - 2006.09.11 15:00:00 - [16] As a former member of the Kimotoro Directive, and one who is in the know so to speak, this is a step in the right direction for KD. You are now clear of your filth and corruption. I wish you good luck and safe piloting. ________________________________________________ Magus Ordo Praetoria Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
Jon Engel APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2006.09.11 22:55:00 - [17] Those statements alone prove you know very little Gexploits. Go back to the hole you came from and stay out of our bussiness.
Vendrin Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2006.09.12 01:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Gexploits As a former member of the Kimotoro Directive, and one who is in the know so to speak, this is a step in the right direction for KD. You are now clear of your filth and corruption. I wish you good luck and safe piloting. So much for the respect for telling the truth you said you had for me. Fine Gexploits. We await your war declaration. _____________________________________ Need help in Caldari Space? Join channel CCDF to give or recieve it.
Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.12 01:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Shanaya Venn Originally by: "Derrys" We urge you, however, to remain vigilant for attempts to incite confusion and unrest, to watch out for suspicious activities, and not to respond to provocations. - directly after reference to APEX, implies that APEX is the entity that may be inciting confusion, unrest and undertaking suspicious activities. The security of KD pilots is Derrys' responsibility, so he's just taking every possible precaution and making sure that everybody remains calm during what could be a confusing time. We just want to be extra careful, that's all. No need to start ragging on the man's semantics, he's trained in leading fleets rather than giving grammar lessons. --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period. Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108! byahahahahaha!11 Sig Pwnt - Immy
Takitoo Ebon Phoenix	Posted - 2006.09.12 01:32:00 - [20] Originally by: Shanaya Venn - but pray tell, what KD shenanigans are you referring to, exactly? I follow GalNet and other info services when I can but time is limited and perhaps something significant has transpired when I wasn't looking. So one wonders: what the heck are you on about? Well, it was a looong time back. When we were on a pirate sweep through Placid. You know and I saw this Sansha pilot (That'd be Lilly) floating around a KD ship, pestering it, but not opening fire, since that would have been suicidal. So I engaged the Sansha ship and it left, but now without complaining to KD leadership that someone actually attacked it. KD leadership decided to reprimand me for attacking Sansha's as that is considered a hostile act and Nikolai Nuvolari himself assured that Sansha pilot that no harm would be done to her during any ops under his command. Then for a bit the KD rules of engagements said that Sansha are considered neutral and should not be engaged. That was a few hours before her security status fell through the roof for, obviously, pirating. A few days later I got a heartfelt, but hush-hush "We're sorry, she really was a pirate" but KD still hasn't officially said anything about the deal other than the fact that I went against the rules of engagements by attacking a Sansha Pilot. All in all, the Sansha Social-Drone pulled a fast one on KD. And KD still hasn't even aknowledged the existence of that debacle, at least publicly. So, unless things have changed any Sansha pilot is quite safe when the KD "Anti Piraters" are around. ___________________________ snip Inappropriate link removed- Tirg Aww. No more funny.

Svanh Mickahl Infinite Dreams Inc Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.12 01:41:00 - [21] It would seem that Admiral Derrys' concerns might have been justified if you read this thread. While his words are poorply framed this should be excused as he is a warrior used to speaking with a much blunter instrument than the tongue. I am of the opinion from his post that there was concern that people that have sought in the past to attack the Directive and have held back for whatever reason might see this change as a chance to attack in the midst of confusion. I see a concern that outside forces would create rumor and doubt where there was none and thus sow the very seeds of confusion. As I read this thread that is what I see, two different sides, both outside of KD, making statements that speak of some hidden issue. I see another pilot nitpick the language to find conspiracies where none exist. In toher words I see the very attempts from without to sow confusion. As has been stated by both sides, Apex felt there where political differences in how to best defend the State. To this end they felt that the Directive was not moving in a direction politically that was effective so they chose to leave and seek their own path. The goals of Apex and the Directive remain the same, to defend the State. While each may take a different path to that goal, the goal is still the same. To this end I would ask that the idle speculation stop and we instead concentrate on the how we can all best serve the State. For limitless possibilities, you need Infinite Dreams ====================================== Svanh Mickahl CEO, Infinite Dreams
Vendrin Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2006.09.12 02:02:00 - [22] Oh, and just to be clear... If the enemies Admiral Derrys refer to do decide to declare war on the Directive, APEX will happily declare war on them in return. We did work well together in war after all and I see no reason to end that association. _____________________________________ Need help in Caldari Space? Join channel CCDF to give or recieve it.
Wolfgang Jager Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.09.12 02:55:00 - [23] Since I loathe false camaraderi; you don't need to parse statements to detect a certain note of hostility between APEX and CAIN, nor that it is mutual. That fact is obvious from the fact that they are leaving the alliance. In fact, their leaving spares us making a similar decision. Without going into detail or seeking to refight arguments by asserting who is right; suffice it to say that we have unresovable philosophical differences over the nature of the Caldari State and its direction. Does this make us enemies? No. However one generally expects alliance-mates to be a lot better than "not enemies". As such, this split is for the best. I'm sure circumstances could arise where we will work with APEX again. As to the security concerns: Any time of unrest, structural upheaval or the like is a time of concern for any group which has combat operations and enemies. It is not paranoid nor improper to show concern over things such as nav beacons, com protocols or shield codes among other things. Any prudent alliance would do the same. Especially in light of the subsequent actions of several ex-APEX members and others. As for the rantings of some in this discussion, they can be attributed to very old irrational grudges and simple confusion. The policy of CAIN has never been open to doubt, we very rarely engage anyone who has not flagrantly violated the law. On those rare occasions we do, it is against a known pirate in a ship worth destroying. However much we may dislike CONCORD, so long as the CEP and Navy abide by it, so do we. We are not on some crusade to change CONCORD or blast ourselves into crimal status pursuing "possible" pirates in low value ships. I might add, on the one occasion I am aware of where we have mistakenly taken out someone who was not a pirate we did in fact compensate the individual in question once the facts were clear.
Gexploits Caldari Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica	Posted - 2006.09.12 04:55:00 - [24] Jon, the fact that you refer to it as "your business" is quite amusing, as it very quickly became our business when your CEO decided to have a hissy fit. If you really want me to air all of your dirty laundry here i will. As for being in the know, im sorry, but i must have missed you sitting in on all of those alliance boardroom discussions, including the founding of the alliance? Oh Well. Vendrin, a small part of the old you poked through there when you actually told the truth. That was the Vendrin I respected. Not the one that engages in these types of recent events. ________________________________________________ Magus Ordo Praetoria Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
Jon Engel APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2006.09.12 05:03:00 - [25] Ah yes, as you would have any damn clue as to what is going on in APEX right now Gexploits. Your cluelesness is showing itself now. You have no reason to bother caring about our goals,our reasons for leaving, nor any internal matter of either APEX or the Directive. It is not your place traitor. And you can go to hell wolfgang. Your arogance will only lead to further tensions in your alliance.
Yal XianKun Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica	Posted - 2006.09.12 05:38:00 - [26] I had hoped to avoid posting here out of respect for the wishes of KD, but really this it too delicious. Is it possible that you have no clue yourself what Vendrin just did Engel? Is it possible that you, yourself, have no idea why Vendrin says he expects a war declaration? What could possibly rile us to the point that the former ousted chairman of the Kimotoro Directive is publicly expressing an opinion that hostilities could occur? Hmmm, and yet there has been no word from him recently of an attack on us by KD, so it must have been something underhanded. How odd that the person we accused of corruption and slimy dealings, now seems to think that vengeance is about to drop on him. If you don't know, you might want to ask some probing questions of your CEO. If you do know, then you are complicit in those actions. May I publicly state my support for KD. With better leadership, I hope that they can go from strength to strength.
Gexploits Caldari Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica	Posted - 2006.09.12 05:44:00 - [27] Edited by: Gexploits on 12/09/2006 05:45:55 Jon for some reason I really think you might be out of the loop on this one. pop in our public channel sometime to get the whole story. As for my interest in the Kimotoro Directive, its purely for the well being of my friends. I wish them all safe flying. cheers EDIT: Ahh it seems I was not the only one under this impression. how odd...... ________________________________________________ Magus Ordo Praetoria Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
Gexploits Caldari Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica	Posted - 2006.09.12 05:50:00 - [28] Edited by: Gexploits on 12/09/2006 05:50:07 mispost ________________________________________________ Magus Ordo Praetoria Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
Jon Engel APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2006.09.12 06:09:00 - [29] I know full well why your hostile to APEX. It wasnt kept a secret from the corporation at all. I am fully aware of why Vendrin did what he did too.
Yal XianKun Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica	Posted - 2006.09.12 06:36:00 - [30] Ah. Fully aware. Good. So tell me, Engel, as we are now becoming quite a topic of hot gossip here, and you are in the know, was what Vendrin did popular with Kimotoro Directive? Oh, I know you voluntarily left them, but before that, was Vendrin in some way made to step down? It does seem very odd for the Chairman of a large alliance to completely leave an alliance. Perhaps you'd like to give the world a unique perspective of the events.



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