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Derrys
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.10 06:15:00 -
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Edited by: Derrys on 10/09/2006 06:15:15
"Please stand by for an important announcement..."
The screen flickers, revealing an officer in the uniform of the Caldari Navy.
Good morning. Today, as of midnight EVE time, APEX Unlimited is no longer a member of the Kimotoro Directive. KD military operations are being directed by pilots of the Caldari Independent Navy Reserve. All members of the Directive are instructed to remain calm and carry out their business as usual. We urge you, however, to remain vigilant for attempts to incite confusion and unrest, to watch out for suspicious activities, and not to respond to provocations. All inquiries regarding this matter are to be directed to myself or other military personnel until further notice.
Thank you for your attention, and may the State grow ever stronger.
-- Admiral Derrys Otireya Commander, Fleet Operations, Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Fleet Admiral, Kimotoro Directive |
Kyguard
Our Brothers Five 3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.10 06:43:00 -
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Traitors? ===
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Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.10 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard Traitors?
Hardly. Just a diffrence of opinion. Many of APEX Unlimited members belong to the Liberal Faction within the State. This leads to obvious clashes with the members of CAIN who are mostly members of the Patriot faction.
This diffrence of opinion while hardly interfering during times of War and crisis, caused dissent that did not seem to be able to be worked out during peace time. So I decided it was best for APEX to split ways from the Kimotoro Directive.
We wish the Directive the best and hope for it's success, but we felt we could provide the best service to the State on our own. _____________________________________
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Lillith Blackheart
True Core
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Posted - 2006.09.10 13:35:00 -
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So what are Apex Unlimited's plans for the future now, my good friend? Is there another alliance you're tying on to or are you going to "stay your own course" for a while?
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Takitoo
Ebon Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.09.10 16:45:00 -
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Any faction that a Sansha calls "good friend" is something I'd watch out for. Call me odd. Especially after KD's shenanigans. ___________________________
*snip* Inappropriate link removed- Tirg Aww. No more funny. |
Usagi Tsukino
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.10 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Derrys We urge you, however, to remain vigilant for attempts to incite confusion and unrest, to watch out for suspicious activities, and not to respond to provocations.
Excuse me for saying this but, what the ****? We differ in politics and suddenly it's the official policy of The Directive to treat APEX as if we're planning on inciting a riot or going to engage in sabotage?
Amazing.
But at least the members of The Directive are safe, as CAIN has everything under control.
In case it needs to be said, I speak for me and only for me and my views probably do not represent the views of anyone else in the cluster. ---
Officer Usagi Tsukino Security Division; APEX Unlimited |
Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Usagi Tsukino Excuse me for saying this but, what the ****? We differ in politics and suddenly it's the official policy of The Directive to treat APEX as if we're planning on inciting a riot or going to engage in sabotage?
KD does not expect any problems, as we consider APEX to be our friends unless we see otherwise.
The security and safety of all our pilots is Derrys' responsibility, so he's merely taking extra precautions to avoid any confusion.
Nikolai Nuvolari Commanding Officer, GDBT KD Board of Directors --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Graelyn
Amarr The Aeternus Crusade Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.09.10 20:57:00 -
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Aegis Milita supports the Kimotoro Directive in it's time of change. The pilots of CAIN have long been stalwart defenders of thier State, and I am sure this legacy will continue.
Minister of Foreign Affairs - Aegis Militia Fleet Admiral/CEO - The Aeternus Crusade |
Van Cleef
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.10 22:10:00 -
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No Citizen Usagi, we are just attempting to ensure that the Alliance is safe during this transition time. APEX, to my knowledge, are still defenders of the State. We do not, however, want our enemies to take advantage of this transition.
CAIN combat pilots are ready to meet any challenges ahead to ensure the saftey of the Alliance. ------------------------------------------------
CEO and Admiral of the Fleet Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM |
Usagi Tsukino
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.10 23:56:00 -
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Then I apologize, Admiral. Just the overall tone of that particular statement scratched me in the wrong way. I suppose one of the curses of GalNet is that you will never be able to properly place the correct tone on statements!
Take care out there, KD.
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Officer Usagi Tsukino Security Division; APEX Unlimited |
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Strikeclone
Caldari Starscreamers
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Posted - 2006.09.11 01:46:00 -
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goo dluck to TKI and apex in this time of transition. Its a shame to see this split, but i'm not supprised, cain can be a hard mob to get along with.
Very loyal to each other which is commendable, but it is the loyalty of the sheep to blindly follow the leader.
Our state is powerful because of those who do not those who talk about it.
Good luck Apex, i've no doubt you will flourish now you are out from the yoke.
Strikeclone Celer Et Audax Caldari Prime will be ours again!
Hoist Battle Ensigns
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Shanaya Venn
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Takitoo Any faction that a Sansha calls "good friend" is something I'd watch out for. Call me odd. Especially after KD's shenanigans.
Ah, well, I may call you odd anyway, Takitoo, (that's in a good way, I think...) - but prey tell, what KD shenanigans are you referring to, exactly? I follow GalNet and other info services when I can but time is limited and perhaps something significant has transpired when I wasn't looking. So one wonders: what the heck are you on about?
Not that you need to natter, but I'm all about collecting data points. So: Factoids? Data points? Please do share. I'd appreciate context for your comment, at least.
On a broader note and of general commentary: this whole issue is of personal interest to me because I (like, I presume, some others) have been lately considering joining a larger established corp in line with my ideals and interests. In this pursuit I have narrowed down my areas of interest to basically 2 groups: namely, APEX and CAIN, as chance would have it.
So this kerfluffle is of particular interest to me personally, and I am therefore paying close attention to these most unexpected events. And commentary that it evokes.
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Shanaya Venn
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Shanaya Venn on 11/09/2006 12:04:50
Originally by: Van Cleef No Citizen Usagi, we are just attempting to ensure that the Alliance is safe during this transition time.
And what, prey tell, do you think would endanger it?
Quote: APEX, to my knowledge, are still defenders of the State.
I don't really know you, Van Cleef, but to read a statement framed that way implies some level of doubt in spite of the "to my knowledge" assertion.
No, I have no affiliation with APEX. I am just a skilled user of language.
Quote: We do not, however, want our enemies to take advantage of this transition.
CAIN combat pilots are ready to meet any challenges ahead to ensure the saftey of the Alliance.
I'm an outsider to your organizations (obviously) but nevertheless an interested bystander, because as a fervid nationalist Caldari I have considered both of your organizations as venues for possible career furtherance for myself.
that said: to read comments like this:
Quote: We urge you, however, to remain vigilant for attempts to incite confusion and unrest, to watch out for suspicious activities, and not to respond to provocations.
- directly after reference to APEX, implies that APEX is the entity that may be inciting confusion, unrest and undertaking suspicious activities.
That is clear from a basic understanding of plain Caldari.
I don't see how a statement like this prevents your enemies from taking advantage of the transition. If you meant this to apply to others ("rabblerousers"?) then some qualifying statement would have been apropo.
This is not a mere grammatical quibble, but, to my thinking, a significant and subtly nuanced issue. To wit, when there is a parting of the ways between organizations, it behooves each to be VERY careful about what they say and how they frame it if they want to cultivate a neutral or benign public perception of the sundering and the other group. If not...then not.
And it is CAIN that has stepped to the "not" side of this formulation.
Perhaps APEX does not take offense at this but I find how you have framed and addressed this issues raises far more suspicious questions for me as a bystander, than it has answered.
The way this was expressed does indeed cast aspersions upon APEX (though you protest otherwise). If this public message is at variance with your actual intent, perhaps you should change Information Officers, or educate them better in re media, propaganda, and public information communications.
(If I sound exasperated, I am. This sounds all too much like some knee-jerk Amarrian missives I recall from back when when I did more trade there: as soon as one 'trusted' entity left the fold, a circling of wagons ensued. Maybe not what you're doing but if so, that's not what's conveyed by the initial announcement.)
-SV
~way particular about the message communicated~
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Yuki Li
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Pure.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:12:00 -
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Were APEX removed from Kimotoro Directive for being a Liberally minded corporation?
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Li Were APEX removed from Kimotoro Directive for being a Liberally minded corporation?
I am not going to go into the circumstances of their departure too much out of respect for those involved, but I can assure you that APEX left the Directive of their own volition, or at least that of their principal shareholders. They were not expelled from the Directive for their political views. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet Chief of Diplomatic Staff Captain, CNS Silken Voice Caldari Independent Navy Reserve |
Gexploits
Caldari Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:00:00 -
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As a former member of the Kimotoro Directive, and one who is in the know so to speak, this is a step in the right direction for KD. You are now clear of your filth and corruption. I wish you good luck and safe piloting. ________________________________________________ Magus Ordo Praetoria Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
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Jon Engel
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.11 22:55:00 -
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Those statements alone prove you know very little Gexploits. Go back to the hole you came from and stay out of our bussiness.
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Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.12 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gexploits As a former member of the Kimotoro Directive, and one who is in the know so to speak, this is a step in the right direction for KD. You are now clear of your filth and corruption. I wish you good luck and safe piloting.
So much for the respect for telling the truth you said you had for me. Fine Gexploits. We await your war declaration. _____________________________________
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.12 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shanaya Venn
Originally by: "Derrys" We urge you, however, to remain vigilant for attempts to incite confusion and unrest, to watch out for suspicious activities, and not to respond to provocations.
- directly after reference to APEX, implies that APEX is the entity that may be inciting confusion, unrest and undertaking suspicious activities.
The security of KD pilots is Derrys' responsibility, so he's just taking every possible precaution and making sure that everybody remains calm during what could be a confusing time.
We just want to be extra careful, that's all. No need to start ragging on the man's semantics, he's trained in leading fleets rather than giving grammar lessons. --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Takitoo
Ebon Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.09.12 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shanaya Venn - but pray tell, what KD shenanigans are you referring to, exactly? I follow GalNet and other info services when I can but time is limited and perhaps something significant has transpired when I wasn't looking. So one wonders: what the heck are you on about?
Well, it was a looong time back. When we were on a pirate sweep through Placid. You know and I saw this Sansha pilot (That'd be Lilly) floating around a KD ship, pestering it, but not opening fire, since that would have been suicidal. So I engaged the Sansha ship and it left, but now without complaining to KD leadership that someone actually attacked it.
KD leadership decided to reprimand me for attacking Sansha's as that is considered a hostile act and Nikolai Nuvolari himself assured that Sansha pilot that no harm would be done to her during any ops under his command.
Then for a bit the KD rules of engagements said that Sansha are considered neutral and should not be engaged. That was a few hours before her security status fell through the roof for, obviously, pirating.
A few days later I got a heartfelt, but hush-hush "We're sorry, she really was a pirate" but KD still hasn't officially said anything about the deal other than the fact that I went against the rules of engagements by attacking a Sansha Pilot.
All in all, the Sansha Social-Drone pulled a fast one on KD. And KD still hasn't even aknowledged the existence of that debacle, at least publicly. So, unless things have changed any Sansha pilot is quite safe when the KD "Anti Piraters" are around. ___________________________
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Svanh Mickahl
Infinite Dreams Inc Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.12 01:41:00 -
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It would seem that Admiral Derrys' concerns might have been justified if you read this thread. While his words are poorply framed this should be excused as he is a warrior used to speaking with a much blunter instrument than the tongue.
I am of the opinion from his post that there was concern that people that have sought in the past to attack the Directive and have held back for whatever reason might see this change as a chance to attack in the midst of confusion. I see a concern that outside forces would create rumor and doubt where there was none and thus sow the very seeds of confusion.
As I read this thread that is what I see, two different sides, both outside of KD, making statements that speak of some hidden issue. I see another pilot nitpick the language to find conspiracies where none exist. In toher words I see the very attempts from without to sow confusion.
As has been stated by both sides, Apex felt there where political differences in how to best defend the State. To this end they felt that the Directive was not moving in a direction politically that was effective so they chose to leave and seek their own path. The goals of Apex and the Directive remain the same, to defend the State. While each may take a different path to that goal, the goal is still the same.
To this end I would ask that the idle speculation stop and we instead concentrate on the how we can all best serve the State.
For limitless possibilities, you need Infinite Dreams
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Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.12 02:02:00 -
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Oh, and just to be clear... If the enemies Admiral Derrys refer to do decide to declare war on the Directive, APEX will happily declare war on them in return.
We did work well together in war after all and I see no reason to end that association. _____________________________________
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Wolfgang Jager
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.09.12 02:55:00 -
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Since I loathe false camaraderi; you don't need to parse statements to detect a certain note of hostility between APEX and CAIN, nor that it is mutual. That fact is obvious from the fact that they are leaving the alliance. In fact, their leaving spares us making a similar decision.
Without going into detail or seeking to refight arguments by asserting who is right; suffice it to say that we have unresovable philosophical differences over the nature of the Caldari State and its direction. Does this make us enemies? No. However one generally expects alliance-mates to be a lot better than "not enemies". As such, this split is for the best. I'm sure circumstances could arise where we will work with APEX again.
As to the security concerns: Any time of unrest, structural upheaval or the like is a time of concern for any group which has combat operations and enemies. It is not paranoid nor improper to show concern over things such as nav beacons, com protocols or shield codes among other things. Any prudent alliance would do the same. Especially in light of the subsequent actions of several ex-APEX members and others.
As for the rantings of some in this discussion, they can be attributed to very old irrational grudges and simple confusion. The policy of CAIN has never been open to doubt, we very rarely engage anyone who has not flagrantly violated the law. On those rare occasions we do, it is against a known pirate in a ship worth destroying. However much we may dislike CONCORD, so long as the CEP and Navy abide by it, so do we. We are not on some crusade to change CONCORD or blast ourselves into crimal status pursuing "possible" pirates in low value ships. I might add, on the one occasion I am aware of where we have mistakenly taken out someone who was not a pirate we did in fact compensate the individual in question once the facts were clear.
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Gexploits
Caldari Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
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Posted - 2006.09.12 04:55:00 -
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Jon, the fact that you refer to it as "your business" is quite amusing, as it very quickly became our business when your CEO decided to have a hissy fit. If you really want me to air all of your dirty laundry here i will. As for being in the know, im sorry, but i must have missed you sitting in on all of those alliance boardroom discussions, including the founding of the alliance? Oh Well. Vendrin, a small part of the old you poked through there when you actually told the truth. That was the Vendrin I respected. Not the one that engages in these types of recent events. ________________________________________________ Magus Ordo Praetoria Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
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Jon Engel
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.12 05:03:00 -
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Ah yes, as you would have any damn clue as to what is going on in APEX right now Gexploits. Your cluelesness is showing itself now. You have no reason to bother caring about our goals,our reasons for leaving, nor any internal matter of either APEX or the Directive. It is not your place traitor.
And you can go to hell wolfgang. Your arogance will only lead to further tensions in your alliance.
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Yal XianKun
Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
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Posted - 2006.09.12 05:38:00 -
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I had hoped to avoid posting here out of respect for the wishes of KD, but really this it too delicious. Is it possible that you have no clue yourself what Vendrin just did Engel? Is it possible that you, yourself, have no idea why Vendrin says he expects a war declaration? What could possibly rile us to the point that the former ousted chairman of the Kimotoro Directive is publicly expressing an opinion that hostilities could occur? Hmmm, and yet there has been no word from him recently of an attack on us by KD, so it must have been something underhanded. How odd that the person we accused of corruption and slimy dealings, now seems to think that vengeance is about to drop on him.
If you don't know, you might want to ask some probing questions of your CEO. If you do know, then you are complicit in those actions.
May I publicly state my support for KD. With better leadership, I hope that they can go from strength to strength.
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Gexploits
Caldari Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
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Posted - 2006.09.12 05:44:00 -
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Edited by: Gexploits on 12/09/2006 05:45:55
Jon for some reason I really think you might be out of the loop on this one. pop in our public channel sometime to get the whole story. As for my interest in the Kimotoro Directive, its purely for the well being of my friends. I wish them all safe flying. cheers
EDIT: Ahh it seems I was not the only one under this impression. how odd...... ________________________________________________ Magus Ordo Praetoria Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
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Gexploits
Caldari Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
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Posted - 2006.09.12 05:50:00 -
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Edited by: Gexploits on 12/09/2006 05:50:07 mispost ________________________________________________ Magus Ordo Praetoria Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
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Jon Engel
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.12 06:09:00 -
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I know full well why your hostile to APEX. It wasnt kept a secret from the corporation at all. I am fully aware of why Vendrin did what he did too.
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Yal XianKun
Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
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Posted - 2006.09.12 06:36:00 -
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Ah. Fully aware. Good. So tell me, Engel, as we are now becoming quite a topic of hot gossip here, and you are in the know, was what Vendrin did popular with Kimotoro Directive? Oh, I know you voluntarily left them, but before that, was Vendrin in some way made to step down? It does seem very odd for the Chairman of a large alliance to completely leave an alliance. Perhaps you'd like to give the world a unique perspective of the events.
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Jon Engel
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.12 10:07:00 -
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You are a persistant twit.
If you have any real concerns you can address them to someone who gives a damn what you think.
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Yal XianKun
Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
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Posted - 2006.09.12 11:23:00 -
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I'm pretty sure the capsuleer community will note that you didn't correct me when I described your overlord as ousted from power. I also suspect that they will interpret that rather lame comeback as a "no comment".
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.12 11:37:00 -
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Long live the Patriots! Non-patriots make us Caldari weak and pathetic. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is the kindest of all. |
Jon Engel
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.12 11:43:00 -
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Im not going to sit here and speak for Vendrin. If he feels the need to correct you, I do beleive he will. Till then Id ask that you keep your mouth quiet on the matter, or you will inflame a volitile situation already.
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Shaun Murphy
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.12 15:06:00 -
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Mr. Engel, that's quite enough.
The answer to your question is no, Yal. We left the Directive of our own accord, under no outside pressure to leave nor for Vendrin to step down. As for the other things you are insinuating, APEX's internal affairs are not yours to know, and since it's clear you don't have any concrete information on them kindly take your blind speculation elsewhere.
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Steiner
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.12 15:16:00 -
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I probably have no reason to comment to this but since I used to work with Vendrin I'd think he had a good reason for this. Good luck APEX and KD.. on whatever road you go. ---
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Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.12 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Vendrin on 12/09/2006 18:58:12
Originally by: Yal XianKun I'm pretty sure the capsuleer community will note that you didn't correct me when I described your overlord as ousted from power. I also suspect that they will interpret that rather lame comeback as a "no comment".
Think what you will. I really don't care. But either back up your words with some action, or go back to your little games of spying and mining. _____________________________________
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Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.12 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Long live the Patriots! Non-patriots make us Caldari weak and pathetic.
Mhmm. And where were you in any of the recent wars against corporations that are enemies of the State? Oh yes, fattening your own wallet. Some Patriot. _____________________________________
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Svanh Mickahl
Infinite Dreams Inc Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.12 20:15:00 -
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I would urge members of Apex and the Directive to ignore further posts here. As was feared outside forces, likely under Gallante pay, are seeking to create chaos and strife where none exists. We would best serve our respective corporations and the State by ignoring this petty jabs and concentrating on the work we have.
For limitless possibilities, you need Infinite Dreams
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CometQueen
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Posted - 2006.09.13 00:32:00 -
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Perhaps now with the Kimotoro Directive free of Liberals they will advance the cause of Patriots and strengthen the boarders of the State.
Perhaps now that Apex is free of Patriots they can extend the Caldari Trade empire deep into the Federation and Republic, also strengthening the State.
It seems like a windfall situation for the Caldari. Good luck in your future endeavors, perhaps this is the beginning of a Liberal Caldari alliance and the beginning of the strengthening of a Patriot alliance.
Prosperity for the Caldari is Prosperity for the Kingdom. I truly wish you well.
Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Khanid Faith
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Jack Malus
Gallente Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.09.13 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Svanh Mickahl I would urge members of Apex and the Directive to ignore further posts here. As was feared outside forces, likely under Gallante pay, are seeking to create chaos and strife where none exists. We would best serve our respective corporations and the State by ignoring this petty jabs and concentrating on the work we have.
While I doubt that the Federation is behind this, it is amusing that you think so.
Do not blame others for your own internal issues.
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Yal XianKun
Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
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Posted - 2006.09.13 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Vendrin
Think what you will. I really don't care. But either back up your words with some action, or go back to your little games of spying and mining.
We would go mining, but there seems to be wandering APEX pilots a few jumps from our main base of operations. Seeing as your headquarters and standard base of operations is over 35 jumps away - quite a distance (a point you raised when, as members of Kimotoro Directive with us, we asked for help against local banditry).
A little sight-seeing tour? If your members are talking about not inciting anything with one hand, going on a visit to our main base of operations when it is so far away could be seen at best as politically naive.
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Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.13 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Yal XianKun Edited by: Yal XianKun on 13/09/2006 11:44:34
Originally by: Vendrin
Think what you will. I really don't care. But either back up your words with some action, or go back to your little games of spying and mining.
We would go mining, but there seems to be wandering APEX pilots a few jumps from our main base of operations. Seeing as your headquarters and standard base of operations is over 35 jumps away - quite a distance (a point you raised when, as members of Kimotoro Directive with us, we asked for help against local banditry), I'm not inclined to sit in my Coveter until we find out what you're doing so far from home.
A little sight-seeing tour? If your members are talking about not inciting anything with one hand, going on a visit to our main base of operations when it is so far away could be seen at best as politically naive.
We are just returning the favor. After all, we wouldn't want the pilots we haven't seen in the area around our base of operations to be the only ones who see our fine ships. _____________________________________
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Helpdesk
Caldari The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.13 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Helpdesk on 13/09/2006 17:28:40 Edited by: Helpdesk on 13/09/2006 17:27:52
Originally by: Yal XianKun
... I'm not inclined to sit in my Coveter until we find out what you're doing so far from home.
I actually doubt any APEX Unlimited pilot would be foolish enough to engage AIAAs pilots or assets.
However, should a war occur between APEX Unlimited and Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica (yes, I had to look that up ), you can expect me to either fill in an application to join the AIAA or try to convince my current corp-members to declare war on APEX Unlimited as well.
This should not be seen as a threat towards APEX Unlimited, I would just like to inform the AIAA they (still) have my support.
Update: Furthermore I wish CAIN best of luck with a Kimotoro Directive without APEX Unlimited. I hope it solves the internal complications that were talked about in this forumthread.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.09.13 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Helpdesk
However, should a war occur between APEX Unlimited and Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica (yes, I had to look that up ), you can expect me to either fill in an application to join the AIAA or try to convince my current corp-members to declare war on APEX Unlimited as well.
This should not be seen as a threat towards APEX Unlimited, I would just like to inform the AIAA they (still) have my support.
it is worth saying that Patriot Caldari groups have other allies that just other Patriots. after all as i understand it Liberals work with the Federation, a crime in-and-of itself in some loyalist caldari circles. though I do not know if Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica is actually a Patriot faction, it just looks that way.
It would be curious to see if APEX turned to its pro-federation friends for assistance if they were in danger.
Still so far this is a matter of the State so as long as things don't spill over the boarder or threaten outside interest with in the State's boarders I doubt many would become involved or even care.
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
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Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.13 22:42:00 -
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Don't speak of what you don't know Bliss.
APEX Unlimited, nor any other corporation that alligns itself with the Liberal faction of the State holds the federation over the State. Most dislike the Federation, the others are simply neutral to it.
We would simply rather expand econmically and expand the State's power in the measure instead of the needless waste of lives in a war that would result in nothing gained for the State or the genocide of the gallentean race. _____________________________________
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.09.14 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Vendrin Don't speak of what you don't know Bliss.
APEX Unlimited, nor any other corporation that alligns itself with the Liberal faction of the State holds the federation over the State. Most dislike the Federation, the others are simply neutral to it.
We would simply rather expand economically and expand the State's power in the measure instead of the needless waste of lives in a war that would result in nothing gained for the State or the genocide of the gallentean race.
Liberals are willing to deal with the Federation and make trade agreements sending isk into Federation coffers. Patriots prefer to shoot the Federation.
Clearly both sides would have allies in a conflict, just that the Liberals would call upon the Federation. Specifically APEX has some interesting pro-federation corps and alliances as friends.
And excuse me but if you all are going to air your dirty laundry on galnet expect some peanut gallery remarks.
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
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Kyogen Steiner
Caldari The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.15 00:10:00 -
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Quote: you can expect me to either fill in an application to join the AIAA or try to convince my current corp-members to declare war on APEX Unlimited as well.
I very much doubt you will need to convince anyone in your current corporation to go to war.
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Gherrit White
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.09.15 03:30:00 -
[49]
Good lord. One statement saying "so-and-so" corporation has left "so-and-so" alliance, and you get more than a dozen different people bickering and talking crap about it on GalNet.
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Helpdesk
Caldari The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.15 10:52:00 -
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I understand it would look like that to an outsider. I guess it's hard to make things any clearer without stepping on the toes you don't want to step on.
I myself may not have that much to do with it, but I know APEX Unlimited and I have my reasons to state I am more then willing to support AIAA when needed.
I am glad to hear your statement, mr. Steiner, I knew you weren't fond of liberals anyway.
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Jon Engel
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.15 12:26:00 -
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Your standings with Ishukone put forth another assumption regarding your views to liberals.
Ill just say this, if this matter does not concern you than stay out of it. Where doing fine, and wish most of KD the best of luck in it's future endeavors, howevor certain people both inside the KD and outside would like to push us into hostile actions, I dont see the need for that nor any good that would come from it.
I do suppose you have a problem with Omerta Syndicate as well for its liberal ideals. Well, the patriot chest thumping wont get you far in this world. After all, 2/3 of the State's Governing body is "liberal".
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Helpdesk
Caldari The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.15 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel Your standings with Ishukone put forth another assumption regarding your views to liberals.
In case you didn't notice, my dear Jon, the fact that Ishukone Watch thinks highly of me does not mean it's automatically mutual.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.09.15 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
howevor certain people both inside the KD and outside would like to push us into hostile actions, I dont see the need for that nor any good that would come from it.
Jon has a point, as much as I'd like to see certain Caldari/intaki get knocked down a peg by their bretheren, the State should't be weakened by internal warfare if it can be avoided.
If it can't then maybe the State will be stronger in the long run.
And Omerta are liberal eh? why can't more Liberals be like them then and go out and kick ass?
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
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Jon Engel
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.15 16:10:00 -
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Well, honestly, I have no idea what Omerta is up to these days. There opinions expressed by there pilots express a more Liberalist ideal.
Feel free to correct me on that one Omerta.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Omerta Syndicate Pure.
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Posted - 2006.09.15 17:32:00 -
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It doesn't matter what our pilots feel, or say. When it comes to our corporate philosophy, only the opinions and plans of Mr. Zaitsev matter. The rest of us are merely here to carry those plans out.
In any case, I really don't see what we have to do with APEX, or KD. This is an internal matter for them. I, personally, wish both organizations well in the coming years, as both have proven to be very good for business.
The Red Mom of WarÖ
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Yuki Li
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Pure.
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:39:00 -
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Quote: Long live the Patriots! Non-patriots make us Caldari weak and pathetic.
Is that so? You know, i'm sure i bumped into Veritas Immortalis once.
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Vanzer
Minmatar Black Rock Services
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Posted - 2006.09.23 18:12:00 -
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While I am slightly unsettled by this news, I can't say that I am surprised.
Whatever the AIAA thinks of Vendrin, the truth is he is the most honest and upstanding Caldari Citizen I have ever met.
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.23 18:47:00 -
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diference of view we see. problem is not, if sides remain in same side.
we see CAIN way bit of paranoid.
considering assets, caldari mind and pilots however, unexpected is not.
hopes to both sides continue to flourish. -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Takitoo
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Posted - 2006.09.23 19:32:00 -
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*Takitoo comes into view, standing at a podium in a business suit, clears her throat and nods to the assembled.*
Bork Bork Bork. Paranoia. Bork Bork. Territory. Bork. ... Bork Bork Bork Bork. Theft, Bork Bork Bork, insubstantiated rumours, Bork Bork Bork. Uninformed opinions. Bork Bork Bork Bork Bork.
Thank you Ladies and Gentlemen. ___________________________
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.23 19:36:00 -
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Didn't you ever get that bottle of drain cleaner I sent you, Takitoo? The one with the fancy red bow and the expensive champagne flute? I even sent you some cheese and *****ers to enjoy it with.
Maybe it was lost in shipping, should I send another? --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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