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Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.12.24 12:00:23 -
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Dream Five wrote:You don't fly. So you don't care :)
I don't fly, so I'm able to make a joke; but I'm entirely serious that your position is absurd. That someone explodes spaceships in an exploding-spaceships videogame where it is fairly explicit that pretty well anything goes does not reflect one jot on their real-life character.
By your logic, anyone who ever played out a dam disaster with bucket and spade on the beach is a sociopath. There's nothing about _that_ sandbox that points you towards that outcome, either. |
Froggy Storm
Paragon Trust
The Bastion
338
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Posted - 2014.12.24 12:02:15 -
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Clearly someone who plays cooking mama should have their food handlers. And players on call of duty need to go through boot. And don't even get me started about the qualifications and psych evals to be a time traveling assassin. |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
459
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Posted - 2014.12.24 12:03:00 -
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Areen Sassel wrote:Dream Five wrote:You don't fly. So you don't care :) I don't fly, so I'm able to make a joke; but I'm entirely serious that your position is absurd. That someone explodes spaceships in an exploding-spaceships videogame where it is fairly explicit that pretty well anything goes does not reflect one jot on their real-life character. By your logic, anyone who ever played out a dam disaster with bucket and spade on the beach is a sociopath. There's nothing about _that_ sandbox that points you towards that outcome, either.
I think a person in the industry where human lives depend on them should have a clear enough moral compass to stay away from suicide bombing in a computer game, especially followed by extremely elaborate follow up griefing and trolling. It obviously is not an IRL illegal offense as some other dimwits are trying to spin what I'm saying. It's just really poor taste. |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
459
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Posted - 2014.12.24 12:19:04 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:Clearly someone who plays cooking mama should have their food handlers. And players on call of duty need to go through boot. And don't even get me started about the qualifications and psych evals to be a time traveling assassin.
Yeah well obviously there's a fine line here but I think CODE clearly crosses it. If they just ganked, whatever. It's not really about the ganking, it's the bigger picture plus the fact that it's not a clearly predefined role, it's something you really have to carve out for yourself. They carved it out and then went a hundred extra miles to troll/infuriate their victims. Sociopaths? Probably only a very few of them. Extremely poor taste? Certainly in the context of this quote. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
321
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Posted - 2014.12.24 12:24:34 -
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I would like to first congratulate Gorila on such a master stroke. With this one act alone you have "played Eve" more than the bulk of those miner idling in these channels mindlessly shooting rocks thier entire time in-game ever have. You have struck a blow against the whining and venom that is the norm those channels and I salute you.
Second, I would like to thank Chribba for his excellent EveLocal tool. It is very useful for reliving hilarity you were not able to be online for like this takeover:
Anti-Ganking: http://evelocal.com/talk/206585702
Gank Intel: http://evelocal.com/talk/206586143
Start there and enjoy the chaos that follows.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.12.24 12:29:21 -
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Dream Five wrote:I think a person in the industry where human lives depend on them should have a clear enough moral compass to stay away from suicide bombing in a computer game,
I reckon with a 2 shilling moral compass one might be able to work out that it's a videogame, not real life, and one's actions have no moral implications.
(The use of "suicide bombing" here is a bit of a spurious appeal to emotion, both because the ganker doesn't typically die and because everyone who does die gets better immediately afterwards. I daresay blowing yourself up on a bus would be less frowned upon if the practical consequence was that the victims ended up back at the bus stop they started at and had to buy new tickets.) |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy
Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2014.12.24 12:40:50 -
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Dream Five wrote:
You are (deliberately?) leaving out the context in which CODE operates - trolling, griefing, Erotica1 etc. Scumdipshittrolls of EVE.
You mean the RP, the explosive reinforcement of their agenda (which isn't griefing according to CCP), and a scammer who paid the price for offending a CSM member by pushing the boundaries a little too far?
Those things aren't exclusive to CODE., and with the exception of Erotica-gate are nothing that hasn't been done in the past, and is still being done, by others.
Quote:I think a person in the industry where human lives depend on them should have a clear enough moral compass to stay away from suicide bombing in a computer game, especially followed by extremely elaborate follow up griefing and trolling. Suicide bombing is an emotional buzzword, and you're using it inappropriately. Suicide bombing has a very real impact in the real world and costs/ ruins lives, normally innocent ones; suicide ganking does neither. The two actions simply don't compare.
Moral compasses are irrelevant in Eve, or any other PvP biased game for that matter. Eve allows people to set their own win conditions, and to achieve those conditions by means fair or foul. Knowing the difference between what is real and what is not, and how your moral compass does not apply is something you seem unable to fathom.
Quote:It obviously is not an IRL illegal offense as some other dimwits are trying to spin what I'm saying. It's just really poor taste. Far more poor than it would be for people with lesser responsibilities who just don't know any better.
I guess disgusting would really be a more accurate term than horrifying in this case. It's a game, one that is renowned for allowing downright dirty and underhanded shenanigans, deal with it.
If you can't accept Eve for what it is, there's now an alternative in Elite Dangerous, which is pretty damn good tbh.
CONCORD would like to remind you that the only thing under their protection is the doughnut shop found on level 2 of the food-mall in every station. ~ planto meus dies punk ~
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
459
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Posted - 2014.12.24 12:41:56 -
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Areen Sassel wrote:Dream Five wrote:I think a person in the industry where human lives depend on them should have a clear enough moral compass to stay away from suicide bombing in a computer game, I reckon with a 2 shilling moral compass one might be able to work out that it's a videogame, not real life, and one's actions have no moral implications. (The use of "suicide bombing" here is a bit of a spurious appeal to emotion, both because the ganker doesn't typically die and because everyone who does die gets better immediately afterwards. I daresay blowing yourself up on a bus would be less frowned upon if the practical consequence was that the victims ended up back at the bus stop they started at and had to buy new tickets.)
Don't quote me out of context. You even forgot to remove a comma, such a sad spin attempt.
Oh and CHODE ALT DETECTED. |
Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.12.24 12:51:53 -
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Dream Five wrote:Don't quote me out of context. You even forgot to remove a comma, such a sad spin attempt.
I didn't forget; that was the punctuation attached to the bit I was replying to.
But if you like, I can address some more of it. The name "Erotica 1" generally means another spurious appeal to emotion; E1 was hardly typical of gankers, not least because they weren't one.
(I'd concede they were a bit of a jerk; but if every EVE player who was a bit of a jerk sometimes left the game, the last person left would have to multibox in order to gank themselves. And by "bit of a jerk", I don't mean the utterly hyperbolic representation of their behaviour that led to setting what I feel is a very unfortunate precedent.)
Quote:Oh and CHODE ALT DETECTED.
Tell it to loyalanon; maybe then they can stop banning me from the minerbumping channel for being an anti-ganker... |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1063
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Posted - 2014.12.24 13:36:25 -
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FighterJets is back!!!
Hopefully everybody else that was unfairly banned will be back too.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Lady Areola Fappington
2404
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Posted - 2014.12.24 13:40:05 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:IRL I'm a health professional in training. A healer of the sick. In game I play much the same role, but with a greater emphasis on spiritual sickness. I heal minds and souls in game. So I role-play somebody different in-game, you see? My in game self is even more of a good person. I don't volunteer nearly as much time (that's not to say I don't do it at all, I do) to helping people IRL as I do to helping in this game.
Awesome! Checking in as another healthcare professional in the ganking business. There was a big blowup awhile back about how OMG Lady Faps works in a children's hospital AND is a ganker!
I also know a few military vets, some active duty military guys, a firefighter, and a paramedic who regularly ganks.
In much the same way mining attracts deluded sociopaths who can't tell fantasy from reality, suicide ganking attracts the real life heroes who keep society functioning.
It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. . -á--CCP Soundwave
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy
Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2014.12.24 14:06:14 -
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^^ IIRC there's a member of the clergy in the piracy business.
CONCORD would like to remind you that the only thing under their protection is the doughnut shop found on level 2 of the food-mall in every station. ~ planto meus dies punk ~
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.12.24 14:10:33 -
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Dream Five wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Froggy Storm wrote:I've always found it odd that the folks who seem to believe gankers are morally deficient sociopaths are so often the ones who threaten real world violence. "Let them eat cake and have it too" I guess In game, we are morally deficient sociopaths. Out of game, we are the people who keep your airplanes safely in the air. This is horrifying tbh. So.. allegedly we have an IRL pilot or air traffic controller here or someone else in the airline/plane industry who acts out in a game as a sociopath and suicide bomber. If anyone reading this is not disturbed.. they should be, deeply. I find what you posted rather disturbing, yes. You have a disconnect with what is and isn't RL. The fact you don't see it, is the most disturbing part tbh.
But then most of you twisted moral high ground stalwarts have this issue, so I'm not in the least surprised.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
459
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Posted - 2014.12.24 14:15:49 -
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Areen Sassel wrote:Dream Five wrote:Don't quote me out of context. You even forgot to remove a comma, such a sad spin attempt. I didn't forget; that was the punctuation attached to the bit I was replying to. But if you like, I can address some more of it. The name "Erotica 1" generally means another spurious appeal to emotion; E1 was hardly typical of gankers, not least because they weren't one. (I'd concede they were a bit of a jerk; but if every EVE player who was a bit of a jerk sometimes left the game, the last person left would have to multibox in order to gank themselves. And by "bit of a jerk", I don't mean the utterly hyperbolic representation of their behaviour that led to setting what I feel is a very unfortunate precedent.) Quote:Oh and CHODE ALT DETECTED. Tell it to loyalanon; maybe then they can stop banning me from the minerbumping channel for being an anti-ganker...
Actually Erotica1 has a very direct connection to CODE, specifically the bonus room was still going on and there's a recorded instance on these very forums of a code member offering another player to participate in a bonus room.
So yeah the only way for CODE to disassociate with their sad distasteful practices is to disband and reform with new players under a new corp/banner/motto. Gankers or not they have a ****** reputation. |
Areen Sassel
42
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Posted - 2014.12.24 14:22:53 -
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Dream Five wrote:Actually Erotica1 has a very direct connection to CODE, specifically the bonus room was still going on and there's a recorded instance on these very forums of a code member offering another player to participate in a bonus room.
That's sort of doubly inane, in that if every large organisation one of whose members did Bonus Room stuff is tainted, that's basically all of them, and that you could make this largely spurious point much better by pointing out the many Minerbumping posts by James about E1.
Quote:So yeah the only way for CODE to disassociate with their sad distasteful practices is to disband and reform with new players under a new corp/banner/motto. Gankers or not they have a ****** reputation.
I suspect their reputation, good and bad, stems largely from being gankers and very little from the fact that EVE players involved in nefarious activities talk to each other more than AFK miners. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10932
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Posted - 2014.12.24 14:35:25 -
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Now that is hilarious. Well done.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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ISD Supogo
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.12.24 14:48:03 -
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Removed a large amount of off-topic posts.
Quote:27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
ISD Supogo
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Alana Charen-Teng
The Stars Like Dust
451
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Posted - 2014.12.24 14:55:17 -
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Dream Five wrote:Extremely poor taste? Certainly in the context of this quote.
Dream Five is something of an authority when it comes to poor taste.
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I also know a few military vets, some active duty military guys, a firefighter, and a paramedic who regularly ganks.
Also that young girl on youtube learning to gank with her father. So cute! |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
981
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:03:37 -
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I've spent time hanging out in both the minerbumping channel and various anti-gank channels. One of them is full of angry people spewing borderline sociopathic rage that turns my stomach, is suspicious of newcomers, and who's members don't like to be questioned or offered advice; the other one is full of friendly banter, welcomes all comers, and gladly listens to suggestions.
Anyone who's spent time in one or the other knows the dirty little truth that the "mean" people aren't who common perception holds them to be....
CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking.
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content.
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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
459
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:18:17 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:I've spent time hanging out in both the minerbumping channel and various anti-gank channels. One of them is full of angry people spewing borderline sociopathic rage that turns my stomach, is suspicious of newcomers, and who's members don't like to be questioned or offered advice; the other one is full of friendly banter, welcomes all comers, and gladly listens to suggestions.
Anyone who's spent time in one or the other knows the dirty little truth that the "mean" people aren't who common perception holds them to be....
Poor sob, such a sad victim. So sorry we traumatized you. Go have some friendly banter with Erotica1. So much joy and rainbows.
Also, CCP loves you because you have a lot in common. Why do you think they are tolerating your abusive trololol? That's because they love it. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1064
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:30:56 -
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Annnnnnnnnnnnnd reported.
I savor the delicious irony.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
983
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:31:01 -
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Dream Five wrote:Poor sob, such a sad victim. So sorry we traumatized you. Go have some friendly banter with Erotica1. So much joy and rainbows.
Also, CCP loves you because you have a lot in common. Why do you think they are tolerating your abusive trololol? That's because they love it.
I think you have mistaken me for someone else miss. While I do enjoy blowing up Internet spaceships, I don't suicide gank, nor am I part of CODE.'s religious zealotry. I do also enjoy taking the occasional cheap shot at suicide gankers, but it's for lulz and/or bounties, not part of some "white knight" crusade.
So, please, tell me again which one of us is the abusive troll and which one is simply sharing what they have learned.
CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking.
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content.
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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
459
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:32:19 -
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ISD Supogo wrote:Removed a large amount of off-topic posts. Quote:27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
Rofl. Once again CCP is in damage control mode about vomity CODE "contents".
It's so funny how CODE manipulated CCP into actually effectively protecting and promoting their garbage "contents". |
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:42:40 -
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Thread temporarily locked for some cleaning.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.12.24 16:16:14 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category.
Thread reopened.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1045
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Posted - 2014.12.24 16:28:18 -
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Just remember kiddies that blowing up spaceships in a game that revolves around blowing up spaceships does not make you a bad person. Everyone has their own play style they like to embrace, just because someone else embraces one that makes yours difficult doesn't mean they hate you. It just means that their definition of fun differs from yours. Leave the psychoanalysis to the professionals.
That thing you just poasted? Yeah, that. That's the reason Ezwal always looks unhappy.
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
868
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Posted - 2014.12.24 17:34:46 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Leave the psychoanalysis to the professionals. This is a really funny thing to write.
I could point out so many people with so easily noticeable flaws in their personality ... but it's no use anyway.
The amount of stupidity and sociopathy on *both* sides of the equation is mind blowing.
Do you think any of these people really are perfectly common human beings? Hahahahaha ...
People who keep saying that there are no bullies and assholes in CODE (or other gankers) ...
... are equally as mentally challenged as those who say that there aren't any miners ...
... who should rather stay away of children.
Even a completely correct psycho analysis would be of no use,
because of all the fulltimejob retards and morons having no clue how it works anyway.
You're all griefers. I'd lock you up, throw the keys away and let you starve in jail.
And no one would bat an eye anyway.
Except for those who work in a children hospital. They can stay alive.
The children need you. <3 |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
2062
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Posted - 2014.12.24 17:50:22 -
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I don't think Veers is getting enough recognition for his part in this. Good job, Veers!
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.12.24 17:55:15 -
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Who doesn't love a story with a happy ending? 
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
872
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Posted - 2014.12.24 18:14:22 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Who doesn't love a story with a happy ending?
Jesus died on the cross.
The End.
Merry christmas everyone! |
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