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ForTheEmpire2014
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Posted - 2014.12.25 00:29:24 -
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Gorila
I admired what you and some others in the AG were doing. You were one of those who inspired me to try and make a difference in getting people to react to what CODE. and others were doing. Being a White Knight was good for the game, good for content too. And it really was inspirational. Epic good vs/ evil stuff is always a good story.
I agree that getting people (miners and haulers mostly) involved in the game is nearly futile. What I believe you have failed to realize is that the deck is stacked in favor of the bad guy. Being the good guy is the longer road in this game. CODE. hasn't just RP'd the bad-guy role, they have seriously demoralized being the good guy into space dust.
I find that, surprisingly, Marmites seem to be emerging as the white knights since Tora's declaration against CODE. And I support that fully, as hisec needs to see a shifting balance between good/evil to maintain a healthy interest. Let ol "blood & feathers" Belvar rot. He's only interested in his own little narcissistic world anyway.
I wish you well in your new path, but I disagree with your choice. Eve just lost a change for good.
Empire Space is worth fighting for.
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ForTheEmpire2014
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Posted - 2014.12.25 01:05:59 -
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I don't endorse nor condone anything remotely RL. It's a bloody game. But the people who play are real people, with RL values and morals. And feelings get hurt when you demoralize the person. Nuff said.
Quote mine if you like, but I stand by what I said. I'll leave you to your debate, I have family to visit.
~peace~
Empire Space is worth fighting for.
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ForTheEmpire2014
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Posted - 2014.12.25 05:51:00 -
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Tear Jar wrote:
In theory, the deck is stacked towards the miners and miners. The game mechanics favor a competent miner over a competent ganker.
However, tons of miners and haulers act lazy, greedy or dumb, which is why we exist in the first place.
Bingo!
You should personally thank every person you gank, for giving you existence. But that's not going to happen, now is it?
And exactly illustrates why LoM has panache, style and respect.
And CODE. has only disdain and tears.
As far as gameplay/storyline goes, you are like ultra-EoM cultists. In fact, if you were to adopt the EoM persona you would actually be doing a service to the game by promoting the storyline. As it is now you are nothing more than lethal rats without any legitimacy, to be merely tanked or avoided.
Empire Space is worth fighting for.
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ForTheEmpire2014
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Posted - 2014.12.25 23:25:13 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tyyler DURden wrote:What about sarcastic accusations of real-life domestic violence? Would that kind of thing be considered bad taste? I was just asking because I seem to recall reading some of that at www.minerbumping.com. (it gets linked quite often in local) So does the supreme leader get a pass or should that be considered part of the no "buts", no extenuating circumstances that you were referring to? In case you missed it its in the practicle examples section of the code. And once again you demonstrate the problem here. Sarcasm does not equate to, quoting my latest example, telling someone to "go hang yourself in front of an elementary school". Or any of the other innumerable vile things so routinely spouted by the "good guys". It should be obvious.
Kaarous, using the "good guys" in this way is exactly what I referred to. Marginalizing and demoralizing to anyone who actively seeks to play the good-guy role isn't helping things. I know what you are saying, and I agree with it, but disagree with your manner. Just because you choose to play "the bad guy" doesn't mean anyone opposed is playing "the good guy".
I'm not the "good guy" either. Just a different outlook, which leads me to a different solution to the same issue at hand: How to avoid a theme-park hisec. And some fun for all.
Empire Space is worth fighting for.
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ForTheEmpire2014
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Posted - 2014.12.25 23:34:29 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:ForTheEmpire2014 wrote:
Kaarous, using the "good guys" in this way is exactly what I referred to. Marginalizing and demoralizing to anyone who actively seeks to play the good-guy role isn't helping things. I know what you are saying, and I agree with it, but disagree with your manner. Just because you choose to play "the bad guy" doesn't mean anyone opposed is playing "the good guy".
I'm not the "good guy" either. Just a different outlook, which leads me to a different solution to the same issue at hand: How to avoid a theme-park hisec. And some fun for all.
You're reading a lot into a pair of quote marks.
No, the effect it has is still there.
And for anyone who doesn't like MB.com, stop reading the bloody thing.
Empire Space is worth fighting for.
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ForTheEmpire2014
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Posted - 2014.12.25 23:41:52 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:ForTheEmpire2014 wrote:
No, the effect it has is still there.
What effect? That I unequivocally deride anyone who calls themselves a "good guy" while spouting real life threats and sexual insults, as well as the people who advocate for and defend such slime? I do that without hesitation or regret.
So because some Amarrians threaten me, all Amarrians are bad?
I don't follow your stereotyping...
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ForTheEmpire2014
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Posted - 2014.12.25 23:51:29 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:ForTheEmpire2014 wrote:
So because some Amarrians threaten me, all Amarrians are bad?
I don't follow your stereotyping...
Don't confuse what NPC faction you happen to belong to with who you choose to associate with. Willingly associating with and advocating for people who make real life threats because of actions taken in a videogame is reprehensible, simple as that. That's why they get quote marks.
For clarification, then. You are referring to a person's moral position (ie. I am good), rather than a chosen role role (ie. I am the good-guy)? I just want to be clear on this. Thx.
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ForTheEmpire2014
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Posted - 2014.12.26 00:09:29 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:ForTheEmpire2014 wrote:
For clarification, then. You are referring to a person's moral position (ie. I am good), rather than a chosen role role (ie. I am the good-guy)? I just want to be clear on this. Thx.
Okay, I will do this Barney style, as they say in the military. If someone claims to be a "good guy" in EVE Online while either: Making real life threats, along with any other form of railing and hateful vitriol against normal behavior such as ganking or other forms of PvP in EVE Online. or Being an advocate, defender, or willing associate of the above. Then they are an inveterate scumbag whom I believe should be chased out this game, and they get quote marks.
Barney aside, it is an important distinction, and one that clouds the issues. By your "guilt by association" argument, anyone in a group who acts inappropriately then taints the whole group. Pretty wide swath to cut...
Empire Space is worth fighting for.
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ForTheEmpire2014
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Posted - 2014.12.26 00:27:09 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:ForTheEmpire2014 wrote:
Barney aside, it is an important distinction, and one that clouds the issues. By your "guilt by association" argument, anyone in a group who acts inappropriately then taints the whole group. Pretty wide swath to cut...
"Advocate, defender, or willing associate" of people who make real life threats is not a wide swathe, and I'm not the one cutting it. They cut that one out for themselves. It's not just "acts inappropriately" either. Real life threats are just about the most unacceptable thing someone can engage in within this medium. Anyone who stakes out a position in favor of such a thing is wholly deserving of suffering the negative connotations of it.
Determination of guilt is different than the punishment merited for it.
And no, not lawyering, just debating...
Thanks Kaarous. I agree with your statements.
Empire Space is worth fighting for.
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