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Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.11 22:56:00 - [1] I¦m really getting sick of getting spammed with ISK selling evemails from noob chars on trials. I petitioned them asap everytime. Why cant you (Devs) remove the ability to send evemails, use escrow and a limit to the wallet for trials? Its working for WoW. Why not in Eve. Trials get exploited atm and if you (CCP ppl) dont agree with this then you are supporting them. Ship lovers click here
Nikolus Wrighte Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2006.09.11 23:23:00 - [2] the ni hao days are coming to eve >_<. hides under his safety rock All moderaters to sign my sig get a free cookie!
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.09.11 23:32:00 - [3] Yea, I get probably one every 3 days now. I reply "Screw off you idiot Spammer!" or something to that nature. I actually petitioned them once and this is what happened. - Hi. Thank you for reporting this. We will take apropriate action. Me: np, thanks for taking care of this. Keep up the good work, we appreciate it. - If you need any further assistance please dont hesitate to contact us again. We do all we can to help. Last Message - This petition was closed by system, timed out while waiting for customer reply What does that mean? Timed out? Closed by system? Its a simple hit him with teh ban stick! I sent them the EVE-Mail that was sent to me, the guy's name, everything. ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.11 23:50:00 - [4] I asked a GM some time ago why the spammer wasnt deleted and I got this reply: 2006.08.23 09:11:00 GM Guard ---------------------------- Hi there, Unfortunately spam mail about isk selling has become a problem in Eve. We deal with the problem by banning those that are reported and are verified to have sent these mails but more permanent solutions are being worked on. Note that unless the mail you are reporting is less than an hour old, we have already banned the spammer in question. It usually takes us about ten minutes to ban a spammer after he starts and additional reports after that, although they are well meant, are apt to slow us down. Thank you kindly for your assistance and take care out there. GM Guard The Eve online customer support department. Its just strange that those evemailers use only trials to not risk getting their full accounts banned. Trials need to be nerfed and this ISK spammers will have really a hard time to spam the masses. I dont even know where they get my name from. Its like they got me in their addy book or something. No, I did not buy from any of them nor did I ever talk to one. Ship lovers click here
Thatch Scallywags	Posted - 2006.09.11 23:54:00 - [5] Everyone dislikes the spams, but honesly, does it really put you out that much? Does your blood pressure go up when you see that blinking of your mail icon? Just click on it and delete it. It's taking maybe 5 seconds out of your day. Imo, there are more important things to worry about in the game and the game's development than limitting trial accounts from using the mail system. imo, grow up a bit. cheers
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.09.12 00:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Thatch Everyone dislikes the spams, but honesly, does it really put you out that much? Does your blood pressure go up when you see that blinking of your mail icon? Just click on it and delete it. It's taking maybe 5 seconds out of your day. Imo, there are more important things to worry about in the game and the game's development than limitting trial accounts from using the mail system. imo, grow up a bit. cheers My thoughts too.. I get about one a day and I really don't care, click delete. However, escrow should be removed on trial accounts and trading over 1,000,000 isk with other players should be flagged... these are the only ways I know of the isk sellers still being able to sell isk in game. -=====- Xorus is teh nub :D I heard that beats player with big stick now be a good carebear and mine me some veldspar - Xorus
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.12 00:10:00 - [7] I havent gotten one in ages now. -------------------------- 0.01 ISK to the first mod that writes in my sig! :D Pay cash value in cookies plskthx - Immy Oh man thats gonna be a lot of cookies. Make them chocolate chip aswell - Xorus I'll give ya a goat for them cookies!-Tirg
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.12 00:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Thatch Everyone dislikes the spams, but honesly, does it really put you out that much? Does your blood pressure go up when you see that blinking of your mail icon? Just click on it and delete it. It's taking maybe 5 seconds out of your day. Imo, there are more important things to worry about in the game and the game's development than limitting trial accounts from using the mail system. imo, grow up a bit. cheers Maybe I¦m getting ****ed that ISK spammers send me evemails which they seem to have gathered and now they are using trials to spam me over and over and over again. Its an exploit and a violation of the EULA. I cant do anything to stop RL spammers, but at least I can do something about them here. Is that so wrong? Ship lovers click here
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.12 00:51:00 - [9] I think they find names by inputting 3 letters and then executing a script/macro/whatever on all characters that come up. I believe this because I don't have much of a spam problem, but my alt does. It should also be noted that your name being unprouncible makes it harder to call you primary since target calling is done over voice comms. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.12 00:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Major Stormer I havent gotten one in ages now. Same, I haven't gotten any evemail isk selling spam for almost 2 months. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath
Valator Uel Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.09.12 01:09:00 - [11] Set your CSPA thing to 5000 - 100000 isk ... I haven't had problems since.
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.12 01:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Valator Uel Set your CSPA thing to 5000 - 100000 isk ... I haven't had problems since. I have other ppl evemailing me too that dont spam me. Ship lovers click here
Valator Uel Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.09.12 01:19:00 - [13] Show me one person that can't afford 5k and I'll show you a noob.
Thatch Scallywags	Posted - 2006.09.12 01:20:00 - [14] Edited by: Thatch on 12/09/2006 01:22:13 Quote: Maybe I¦m getting ****ed that ISK spammers send me evemails which they seem to have gathered and now they are using trials to spam me over and over and over again. Its an exploit and a violation of the EULA. I cant do anything to stop RL spammers, but at least I can do something about them here. Is that so wrong? Sorry to let you down, but there's nothing you can do about spammers in the game either. If their alts get banned they create new ones. It's never going to end. Your idea to stop trial accounts from using the mail system isn't completely thought out. One, why would they edit code to fix something as trivial as this when they have more important bugs and issues to think about? Secondly, if they did remove trial account email use, it would hinder the valid trial accounts ability to enjoy the game. It's fine that you're letting off steam because omg, you got spammed, but again, grow up. delete the spam and move on with your life. it's not the end of the world. oh, and it's not an exploit to use the mail system. :/ It's against the eula to sell isk for real world currency, but there's nothing in the eula stating how many emails you're aloud to send. cheers
Cipher7 Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2006.09.12 01:34:00 - [15] Trial characters should not have the ability to wire money, send evemail, or chat on any channel except newbie help. And if you want to make it easy on yourselves, ban all IP's from Asia.
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.12 01:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Thatch Edited by: Thatch on 12/09/2006 01:22:13 Quote: Maybe I¦m getting ****ed that ISK spammers send me evemails which they seem to have gathered and now they are using trials to spam me over and over and over again. Its an exploit and a violation of the EULA. I cant do anything to stop RL spammers, but at least I can do something about them here. Is that so wrong? Sorry to let you down, but there's nothing you can do about spammers in the game either. If their alts get banned they create new ones. It's never going to end. Your idea to stop trial accounts from using the mail system isn't completely thought out. One, why would they edit code to fix something as trivial as this when they have more important bugs and issues to think about? Secondly, if they did remove trial account email use, it would hinder the valid trial accounts ability to enjoy the game. It's fine that you're letting off steam because omg, you got spammed, but again, grow up. delete the spam and move on with your life. it's not the end of the world. oh, and it's not an exploit to use the mail system. :/ It's against the eula to sell isk for real world currency, but there's nothing in the eula stating how many emails you're aloud to send. cheers Get a clue stop defending ISK sellers get a bigger clue Ship lovers click here
Draegario	Posted - 2006.09.12 01:46:00 - [17] I agree that spam mail from ISK sellers is bad and hard to stop. I got 2 yesterday while I was on and reported it right away (they were from same person so he paid twice, lol). The problem is that trial accounts are being used to advertise, but you know that a trial account will not have the ISK to transfer. CCP could use the IP address the trial account was made from to determine which paying accounts they could be. They would then have to flag these accounts and watch them for ISK transfers. eBay does not cooperate with CCP to stop ISK sellers there. However, when the ISK sellers sell through their own website, CCP should find the ISP that hosts the site and get them to shut down the site - or find out who the owner is. Most ISPs have ToS that include abidding by the ToS of other sites that they access. CCP may have to start requiring a credit card for trial accounts. This may point to the ISK seller's real accounts. They could also add notice that the card could be charged if a rule violation causes them extra work (i.e., banning accounts that send spam mails to sell ISK, etc.), with a minimum charge and hourly rate like many ISPs do. I don't think that a total banning of sending mail from trial accounts is the answer. There are legitimate reasons why a trial account would need to send mail to others. Alternatives would be to limit mail from trial accounts to (1) sending to CCP; (2) no mass sendings (i.e., to one person only); (3) to people on a designated list (such as people willing to assist newbies, or sponsers/friends of the trial account, etc.); (4) to those that specifically allow such mails to be received. They could also up the charge rate to send mail from trial accounts, with a rebate of the overcharge if it is legit (determined by the one receiving the mail). The idea is to make using trial accounts unappealing to the ISK selling spammers. But not to remove its usefulness to potential players using a trial account. Ashame that when people have a good thing going that some scum sucking vile creature will come along to try and profit off of it, which only takes away from what everyone else had going. - Drae - - - - - - - - - - "Everyone's got one. Better to be a smart one than a dumb one." "I didn't say it was your fault. I said I was going to blame you."
Thatch Scallywags	Posted - 2006.09.12 01:46:00 - [18] Don't get me wrong, I don't condone nor enjoy getting spam either. I also don't appreciate the ISK sellers, but I think you complaining about something so mundane instead of just deleting the email is pretty ridiculous. There is nothing you can do to stop them, nor can CCP. To ask for the mail system to be changed because of your obvious overreaction to spam is pretty silly. :)
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.12 02:06:00 - [19] Originally by: Draegario Lots of stuff Even if trials had their evemails disabled, they can still earn cash, use the market, chat with other ppl and even use the forums. I dont see much disadvantages with it. Ship lovers click here
Tractormech	Posted - 2006.09.12 02:37:00 - [20] Quote: Trial characters should not have the ability to wire money This part is already in effect. I rather liked not being heavily restricted during my trail. It was a nice change from other mmos and part of the reason I became a subscriber. Just realize you could be missing out on some players if you heavily restrict trials.
ForceAttuned Krogoth InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.09.12 04:19:00 - [21] i think the server could use a little less people, im getting laged, and spamed. both kinda anoying, and if you set your charge to 5k-10k when your in a fleet op they can lose a lot of isk ganging 50 members each having a 10k charge. ForceAttuned Krogoth [INTG] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Starbuck 4tw!
phillip duncan Gallente Adastral Wolf Pack Industires	Posted - 2006.09.12 18:18:00 - [22] If you set the eve mail charge to max the spammers have to transfer the money to there spam bots some how, this will leave a trail that can be used to ban the source of the money.
Krassius Caldari UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.12 18:24:00 - [23] Ever Since i started a few posts in the Sell Forum ive had around 3. Its Linked it tells You!
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.12 18:33:00 - [24] Last ISK selling spam i got there was a nice little comment that if i didnt want to get any more mails from them i should just reply to the evemail. So i replied **** off. Havent had a isk selling mail since.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar L.O.S.T. Foundation	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Cipher7 And if you want to make it easy on yourselves, ban all IP's from Asia. yeah! let's block everyone that wants to play EVE from Asia, regardless of their intent, let's just ban them for being in a certain geographical location! and i certainly hope you're including China in "Asia", let's block those nasty buggers who have their own server now! what else do you have for us, Einstein? This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++
Zeno Kang Amarr Royal Knights of Khanid	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:00:00 - [26] Originally by: Valator Uel Set your CSPA thing to 5000 - 100000 isk ... I haven't had problems since. Pardon my noobishness, but...how is this CSPA changed? Originally by: Arthmandar Valikari A whole lot of folks say [nerf Empire] which ... all boil down to ... 'I'm unhappy because other people play the game in a way which isn't as fun for me as it could be.'
Groox	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:13:00 - [27] CCP could implement automatic spam filter. Spam always point to some web sites which could be added to DB in order to blacklist them.
ophi3000	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:23:00 - [28] Change the charge to 100,000isk, works for me.
Eilene Fernite	Posted - 2006.09.13 10:58:00 - [29] Just allow us to add newbie corps to the blocked list on the inbox settings. Problem solved.
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:02:00 - [30] block option anyone under 14 days u can block (characters that is) unless u create specific exemptions (whitelist) that would shut em up

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