officer webs work great for this if you have a skirmish booster

officer webs work great for this if you have a skirmish booster

I did a little bit of math, playing with the *chance to hit formula https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Falloff

here are the numbers; turns out the chance to hit those guardians orbiting 175ms @35km is 0.07 (thats 7%) with a full rack of Tracking Comps;
and is 0.41 (41%) with 3 TC and 2 Target Painters, which bubble up the npc sig radius by 87%, so chance to hit is much higher with the TPs

thus I think Rroff might be on to something here

I played around a bit with EFT damage graphs.

A bhaalgorn with a 10MN AB and a meta overdrive (gets it to the 400 sig res, 175m/s speed) makes a useful target.

It looks like 3 faction TPs and 2 TCs is better than 3 TCs and 2 faction TPs, and leaves a moros still applying ~3000dps to the guardians once they get into orbit.

Still not ideal, obviously, but worth knowing.

weird things.

I played around a bit with EFT damage graphs.

A bhaalgorn with a 10MN AB and a meta overdrive (gets it to the 400 sig res, 175m/s speed) makes a useful target.

It looks like 3 faction TPs and 2 TCs is better than 3 TCs and 2 faction TPs, and leaves a moros still applying ~3000dps to the guardians once they get into orbit.

Still not ideal, obviously, but worth knowing.

This is all theoretical, I don't do solo escalations.

3 fleet painters, 2 t2 tracking comps with tracking scripts against a bhaal with 400 sig at just shy of 175m/s perfect orbit results in 927 sig radius on the bhaal and this dps graph. ~7500 dps applied. Better hope you killed 4/5 of the 8 guardians before hitting orbit range, cause your tank/cap is crap with this fit, but it's doable.

With just the 3 TPs and 2 TCs, with 4x fed navy magstabs and 3x tank in the lows, I get ~3000dps before accounting for resists.

Not only is it viable, but it is the single fastest solo form of isk making in the game (ignoring trading and scamming). You can do the sites one after another easily, and if you have access to a carrier you can do both escallations (12 guardians) in one siege cycle.

I experimented with it for a while and it definitely seemed "easy". Simply by risking billions of isk, and only splitting isk 1 way, you can make 1 billion isk per hour pretty reasonably. Obviously doesn't count hole closing times among other things.

Looking at your graph, I think you double-applied the painters. In EFT, it will automatically apply painters from the "attacker" ship to the "target" ship, and if you manually add those painters to the "projected effects" section of the Bhaalgorn fit, you end up "double-counting" the painters and acting as if 6 TPs are applied. At least, that's the only way I could get close to your ~7500dps before resists number, unless you did something else weird with the fit?

With just the 3 TPs and 2 TCs, with 4x fed navy magstabs and 3x tank in the lows, I get ~3000dps before accounting for resists.

oh my, you are all so sweet to give me all these tips and tricks of the trade, thank you, may Bob bless you!

oh my, you are all so sweet to give me all these tips and tricks of the trade, thank you, may Bob bless you!

it's only so we can gank your dreadnaught

how do you know this isnt a scheme to bait you into my moros and counter-gank you darling?

can a phoenix work in a black hole? armor or shield fit?

can a phoenix work in a black hole? armor or shield fit?

I tried a Phoenix in a C5 black hole once....yeh......it died.

I was drunk though and poorly skilled.

Might be possible!...

Might be possible now that that BH Effects were changed. No idea though as I don't fly a Phoenix

It's not. Trust me. Open EFT and play around with the dps graph. Applied dps is <1000, about a third of a Moros' applied dps if guardians reach orbit. A 14k dps moros can take out 8 guardians before they orbit, a 10k phoenix probably can't. It's just a bad idea all around.

A) What phoenix fit are you using? In a BH C5 or C6 I'm able to get 6-7k DPS before resists against the guardians, solo. Relevant modules are 2x T2 Rigor rigs, 1x T2 Flare rig, 4x CN BCUs, 3x RF TPs, and the meta torp launchers with guristas scourge.
B) Missile "tracking" works differently than turret tracking-- it doesn't matter if the guardians get into orbit or not. A phoenix will do the same damage to the guardians while they're slowboating away as when they're in orbit, since total velocity is what matters for missile application, not angular velocity like with turrets.

WTB T2 dread weapons and precision missiles for the phoenix...

(edited to sound less rude)

Are you able to kill the sleepers in 1 round of siege?

After more fooling around in EFT, a truly solo phoenix in a C6 black hole with the appropriate implants should be able to finish 6 sleepless guardians within a single siege cycle. In a C5, you might just barely make it within one siege cycle if you refit your sebos to painters after locking all of the guardians.

If you're not quite solo and have info boosts available to make the painters awesome, you'd easily be able to finish within a siege cycle.

The main benefit of the Phoenix, I'd think, is that you won't need to make bookmarks before running the site--you can just warp in and get started. If you can't do the site in just one siege cycle, though, that's not really worth it.