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Cedric Mactavish Shiva Hara 1	Posted - 2014.12.28 21:01:18 - [1] - Quote When Rhea arrived with the advertised freeing up of toon names from un-converted trial accounts, I expected my (6000+ name) local chat block list to shrink. It did not, as far as I can tell. Does that mean that, if a new toon were to adopt one of the purged names, that they will now be blocked in local chat even though they are not the same player? (Apologies if this has been answered before, but forum search is returning an error every time I use it...)
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 28926	Posted - 2014.12.28 21:06:44 - [2] - Quote ooh cool question President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 395	Posted - 2014.12.28 21:07:12 - [3] - Quote He who paints with the widest brush risks going over the lines. Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer]
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 8078	Posted - 2014.12.28 21:09:04 - [4] - Quote That's actually a fairly good question. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Yourmoney Mywallet Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation 269	Posted - 2014.12.28 21:09:23 - [5] - Quote Who has a 6000+ block list? wtfmmo?
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 28926	Posted - 2014.12.28 21:11:17 - [6] - Quote hah that's easy. someone who plays President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Cedric Mactavish Shiva Hara 4	Posted - 2014.12.28 21:20:29 - [7] - Quote Yourmoney Mywallet wrote: Who has a 6000+ block list? wtfmmo? This is a Jita station trader toon who is easily bored
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 397	Posted - 2014.12.28 21:23:18 - [8] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: hah that's easy. someone who plays My block lists have always been, and will always be, completely empty. Except for times when I have to temporary block some exceedingly obnoxious people, but that doesn't last. I just don't pay any attention to local when I'm in trade hubs or fleet fights. Don't see the need to block people. Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer]
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 28926	Posted - 2014.12.28 21:23:42 - [9] - Quote this takes me back to when ISK sellers (RMT) were rampant in locals everywhere. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Zedutchman Freakingz 18	Posted - 2014.12.28 21:35:08 - [10] - Quote Doubtful..... I have no proof. But I do know a thing or two about databases, I imagine how the "Block" list works is that when a User searches a name and then Blocks that "Player". The game is merely using the "Name" as a search tool. A name isn't a player. It's merely an attribute of a player. A "Player" is just a line in a database, however in a database a particular line is defined by a primary Key, which is generally just a string of random numbers and letters. And then the attributes of that Player are then stored as separate pieces of data on the same line. Key Name Date Created 84R5H4654 ZeDutchman 1/1/2006 So CCP went in a Did an update on the player table and blew up all the old names, however those chars still exist they just don't have a name. Key Name Date Created 84R5H4654 .......... 1/1/2006 If someone else picks an old name, it will just be bound to a new player and a new primary key and wont effect the old player at all. If an old player re-subs however and makes a new name, they will still be blocked.
Noddy Comet Lysdexic Agnostics - Thier is no Dog 154	Posted - 2014.12.28 21:46:57 - [11] - Quote Yourmoney Mywallet wrote: Who has a 6000+ block list? wtfmmo? Has "Jita" in their Corp name... doesn't know about Jita spam. Cute. [i]"The biggest problem with quotes on the Internet, is that just because it's on the Internet too many believe them to be real" -[/i]Abraham Lincoln's "Berlin Wall" speech at the 1984 Winter Olympics.
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3194	Posted - 2014.12.28 22:09:19 - [12] - Quote I have taken the liberty of relaying this question to CCP, as I do not know the definite answer myself. Keep in mind though that I can not say if and/or when a reply will be given. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Rowells ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans 1891	Posted - 2014.12.28 22:11:12 - [13] - Quote The only time u ever blocked someone was when I accidentally did it to my alt.
Arisidana Amadari Traders 56	Posted - 2014.12.28 22:56:02 - [14] - Quote As I understand it, you block a character, not a name and since no character has been deleted in the purge, nothing will change to your block list. CCP only changed the character names to some generic (Caldari Citizen number) to free up the names.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 4614	Posted - 2014.12.28 23:09:27 - [15] - Quote Block list, almost certainly, will work on character ID, rather than character name. It's a lot faster to compare numbers, than it is to compare strings (which is what a name is, in computer terms) It's also a lot smaller. 64 bit numbers are 8 bytes. That's, at best, 8 letters. (Due to non-english characters, it can be significantly less. UTF-8 can use 4 bytes for a single letter (character, but that's just asking for someone to misunderstand.) Woo! CSM 9! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 401	Posted - 2014.12.28 23:24:06 - [16] - Quote I'd wager one byte per letter, since you can't have any non-ASCII characters in names (and most ASCII punctuation characters are also forbidden). Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer]
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 843	Posted - 2014.12.28 23:36:17 - [17] - Quote Noddy Comet wrote: Yourmoney Mywallet wrote: Who has a 6000+ block list? wtfmmo? Has "Jita" in their Corp name... doesn't know about Jita spam. Cute. but jita local is fun, I even enjoy all the scams I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 28928	Posted - 2014.12.28 23:42:38 - [18] - Quote nerf trial accounts! President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 4617	Posted - 2014.12.29 00:04:28 - [19] - Quote Primary This Rifter wrote: I'd wager one byte per letter, since you can't have any non-ASCII characters in names (and most ASCII punctuation characters are also forbidden). Could have sworn I'd seen some Russian in names. I'm probably misremembering. Woo! CSM 9! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

CCP Falcon 10113	Posted - 2014.12.29 00:44:35 - [20] - Quote When a character is blocked, they're blocked by characterID. For instance, if you were to block CCP Falcon, you wouldn't be blocking "CCP Falcon" you'd be blocking the characterID "92532650". If I changed my name to CCP Rook (which I would never do, because Rooks are poopy and completely inferior), then I'd still be blocked. Character name doesn't matter. Just the same as if we change someone's character name because it's offensive, they'll still remain in your contact list under their new character name. Hope this helps. CCP Falcon \|\| Community Manager \|\| @CCP_Falcon Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3

Memphis Baas 36	Posted - 2014.12.29 01:16:08 - [21] - Quote So, basically, no, the new people adopting old names won't be blocked. But, soon, you'll go crazy wondering why you have "xxx" blocked yet can see "xxx" spamming in local. Or, even better, you'll add "xxx" to your block list again and get some sort of error, like "Unable to block "xxx" because he's already blocked." Or the client crashes or something.
Cedric Mactavish Shiva Hara 4	Posted - 2014.12.29 01:18:54 - [22] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: When a character is blocked, they're blocked by characterID. For instance, if you were to block CCP Falcon, you wouldn't be blocking "CCP Falcon" you'd be blocking the characterID "92532650". If I changed my name to CCP Rook (which I would never do, because Rooks are poopy and completely inferior), then I'd still be blocked. Character name doesn't matter. Just the same as if we change someone's character name because it's offensive, they'll still remain in your contact list under their new character name. Hope this helps. Yes, it does. I had originally assumed you had deleted the characters with the stale trial accounts; in fact, you had merely done what was advertised - freed up their names.
Xen Solarus S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS. 874	Posted - 2014.12.29 01:37:28 - [23] - Quote In that case, surely the better quesiton would be, if someone on my block list (character ID) ceases to exist, are they automatically removed from the list? Not that it matters of course, but I'm a sucker for neatness. Post with your main, like a BOSS! And no, i don't live in highsec. -áAs if that would make your opinion any less wrong. -á
Jandice Ymladris Aurora Arcology 1204	Posted - 2014.12.29 01:39:01 - [24] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: When a character is blocked, they're blocked by characterID. For instance, if you were to block CCP Falcon, you wouldn't be blocking "CCP Falcon" you'd be blocking the characterID "92532650". If I changed my name to CCP Rook (which I would never do, because Rooks are poopy and completely inferior), then I'd still be blocked. Character name doesn't matter. Just the same as if we change someone's character name because it's offensive, they'll still remain in your contact list under their new character name. Hope this helps. So if you create a new character and it uses one of the wiped names, it wouldn't get blocked? Because the new char has a new ID that's just using an old name? Finding the way to Thera thanks to EvE-Scout! Luminaire Snowball Festival turns out amazing!
Arisidana Amadari Traders 56	Posted - 2014.12.29 02:27:27 - [25] - Quote Xen Solarus wrote: In that case, surely the better quesiton would be, if someone on my block list (character ID) ceases to exist, are they automatically removed from the list? Not that it matters of course, but I'm a sucker for neatness. As long as the character ID is still intact even as a member of Doomheim it should be still in your block list, only when the name is picked up by a new player ( getting new character ID) it should disappear from your block list. One of my biomassed characters is still there, hasn't been picked up in almost 2 years.
Arisidana Amadari Traders 56	Posted - 2014.12.29 02:31:27 - [26] - Quote Jandice Ymladris wrote: So if you create a new character and it uses one of the wiped names, it wouldn't get blocked? Because the new char has a new ID that's just using an old name? correct
J'Poll Green Skull LLC 5229	Posted - 2014.12.29 03:36:53 - [27] - Quote Now all we need is a GM to confirm and complete the nice chevron list om top of the thread.... Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Serene Repose 1933	Posted - 2014.12.29 06:57:04 - [28] - Quote Ahar. With that view of rooks, I wouldn't mind pasting you in a couple of chess games. Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Dominique Vasilkovsky BFG Tech 81	Posted - 2014.12.29 12:28:32 - [29] - Quote Has any of the old names been freed up yet? The name I intend to re-use still seems to exist in game Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard Once known as: Mashie Saldana sold - Anastasia Rigel sold - Monica Foulkes sold
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 4618	Posted - 2014.12.29 12:52:17 - [30] - Quote Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote: Has any of the old names been freed up yet? The name I intend to re-use still seems to exist in game All names for trial accounts (only trials) which are over a year old have been released. Woo! CSM 9! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Dominique Vasilkovsky BFG Tech 81	Posted - 2014.12.29 13:00:50 - [31] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote: Has any of the old names been freed up yet? The name I intend to re-use still seems to exist in game All names for trial accounts (only trials) which are over a year old have been released. I guess the one I wanted was subbed for 1 month in 2003... Ah well, maybe it will be another purge in the next ten years. Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard Once known as: Mashie Saldana sold - Anastasia Rigel sold - Monica Foulkes sold
Jean Luc Lemmont Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 511	Posted - 2014.12.29 14:45:46 - [32] - Quote Primary This Rifter wrote: Rain6637 wrote: hah that's easy. someone who plays My block lists have always been, and will always be, completely empty. Except for times when I have to temporary block some exceedingly obnoxious people, but that doesn't last. I just don't pay any attention to local when I'm in trade hubs or fleet fights. Don't see the need to block people. Plus you might miss some funny raging. Will I get banned for boxing!?!?! This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 837	Posted - 2014.12.29 15:11:38 - [33] - Quote Jandice Ymladris wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: When a character is blocked, they're blocked by characterID. For instance, if you were to block CCP Falcon, you wouldn't be blocking "CCP Falcon" you'd be blocking the characterID "92532650". If I changed my name to CCP Rook (which I would never do, because Rooks are poopy and completely inferior), then I'd still be blocked. Character name doesn't matter. Just the same as if we change someone's character name because it's offensive, they'll still remain in your contact list under their new character name. Hope this helps. So if you create a new character and it uses one of the wiped names, it wouldn't get blocked? Because the new char has a new ID that's just using an old name? exactly
TheMercenaryKing StarFleet Enterprises Almost Awesome. 346	Posted - 2014.12.29 16:59:16 - [34] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: When a character is blocked, they're blocked by characterID. For instance, if you were to block CCP Falcon, you wouldn't be blocking "CCP Falcon" you'd be blocking the characterID "92532650". If I changed my name to CCP Rook (which I would never do, because Rooks are poopy and completely inferior), then I'd still be blocked. Character name doesn't matter. Just the same as if we change someone's character name because it's offensive, they'll still remain in your contact list under their new character name. Hope this helps. by using that logic, it would be possible for character name changes being not that difficult if it were offered as a service. I assume all references are by character ID in game with the exception being searches and player made links (in chat where you highlight it and do that right click thing). I don't intend to say it would be an easy task, but for 2 plexs i think it would be manageable. however if somethign like this were to be implimented, there should be a new tab for character info called "Aliases" listing old names and the times they were held like corp history.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 4618	Posted - 2014.12.29 17:09:17 - [35] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: When a character is blocked, they're blocked by characterID. For instance, if you were to block CCP Falcon, you wouldn't be blocking "CCP Falcon" you'd be blocking the characterID "92532650". If I changed my name to CCP Rook (which I would never do, because Rooks are poopy and completely inferior), then I'd still be blocked. Character name doesn't matter. Just the same as if we change someone's character name because it's offensive, they'll still remain in your contact list under their new character name. Hope this helps. by using that logic, it would be possible for character name changes being not that difficult if it were offered as a service. I assume all references are by character ID in game with the exception being searches and player made links (in chat where you highlight it and do that right click thing). I don't intend to say it would be an easy task, but for 2 plexs i think it would be manageable. however if somethign like this were to be implimented, there should be a new tab for character info called "Aliases" listing old names and the times they were held like corp history. If you take a look at the CSM minutes, it was discussed. There were strong feelings on both sides. Woo! CSM 9! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

CCP Falcon 10135	Posted - 2014.12.29 17:09:35 - [36] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: When a character is blocked, they're blocked by characterID. For instance, if you were to block CCP Falcon, you wouldn't be blocking "CCP Falcon" you'd be blocking the characterID "92532650". If I changed my name to CCP Rook (which I would never do, because Rooks are poopy and completely inferior), then I'd still be blocked. Character name doesn't matter. Just the same as if we change someone's character name because it's offensive, they'll still remain in your contact list under their new character name. Hope this helps. by using that logic, it would be possible for character name changes being not that difficult if it were offered as a service. I assume all references are by character ID in game with the exception being searches and player made links (in chat where you highlight it and do that right click thing). I don't intend to say it would be an easy task, but for 2 plexs i think it would be manageable. however if somethign like this were to be implimented, there should be a new tab for character info called "Aliases" listing old names and the times they were held like corp history. This has been a hotly debated topic among the community, and internally at CCP, for roughly the last decade. CCP Falcon \|\| Community Manager \|\| @CCP_Falcon Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3

Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12140	Posted - 2014.12.29 17:21:39 - [37] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: When a character is blocked, they're blocked by characterID. For instance, if you were to block CCP Falcon, you wouldn't be blocking "CCP Falcon" you'd be blocking the characterID "92532650". If I changed my name to CCP Rook (which I would never do, because Rooks are poopy and completely inferior), then I'd still be blocked. Character name doesn't matter. Just the same as if we change someone's character name because it's offensive, they'll still remain in your contact list under their new character name. Hope this helps. [insert squeeky voice here] I tried what your said in your example but it didn't work at all!!!!!!!1111oneoneone D: Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!
Hallvardr 59	Posted - 2014.12.29 17:52:20 - [38] - Quote CCP Falcon, So reading the bigger picture there are a few oddities remaining. 1) Dominique Vasilkovsky: [an older name I want to use] ..still seems to exist in game ... was subbed for 1 month in 2003 So how can this old name still be unavailable if they've all been purged from the DB ? 2) Arisidana: One of my biomassed characters is still there, hasn't been picked up in almost 2 years. I could see why "inactive" players you would never want to purge, but a biomassed character and inactive for "X" period, those should be okay to purge as well. There just seems to be a opportunity for a lot of wasted DB resources to me. IMHO.
ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2024	Posted - 2014.12.29 18:04:49 - [39] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Rooks are poopy and completely inferior Paging CCP Rise for comment! Thanks for the interesting technical detail, CCP Falcon! ISD LackOfFaith Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 1426	Posted - 2014.12.29 18:07:26 - [40] - Quote Tbh all I would want is my name back. The new owner of my old char doesn't need it. Doesn't even use it. I don't care about the skillpoints. I bet he wouldn't even notice if you just swapped the names. Disclaimer: Not regretting selling the char, but having my name back would be awesome. :p Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!
Xercodo Vector Galactic Did he say Jump 3954	Posted - 2014.12.29 23:50:15 - [41] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: TheMercenaryKing wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: When a character is blocked, they're blocked by characterID. For instance, if you were to block CCP Falcon, you wouldn't be blocking "CCP Falcon" you'd be blocking the characterID "92532650". If I changed my name to CCP Rook (which I would never do, because Rooks are poopy and completely inferior), then I'd still be blocked. Character name doesn't matter. Just the same as if we change someone's character name because it's offensive, they'll still remain in your contact list under their new character name. Hope this helps. by using that logic, it would be possible for character name changes being not that difficult if it were offered as a service. I assume all references are by character ID in game with the exception being searches and player made links (in chat where you highlight it and do that right click thing). I don't intend to say it would be an easy task, but for 2 plexs i think it would be manageable. however if somethign like this were to be implimented, there should be a new tab for character info called "Aliases" listing old names and the times they were held like corp history. This has been a hotly debated topic among the community, and internally at CCP, for roughly the last decade. Just provide us with an alias list (e.g. steam) on character info like the employment history and allow for player searches to include these past aliases and the current name in parenthesis. Result: Xercodo (aka DestroyerOf ApplePie) The Drake is a Lie
4Jane Ashpool DATASTORM Industries Overclockers Podpilot Services 1	Posted - 2014.12.30 11:41:06 - [42] - Quote Hallvardr wrote: CCP Falcon, So reading the bigger picture there are a few oddities remaining. 1) Dominique Vasilkovsky: [an older name I want to use] ..still seems to exist in game ... was subbed for 1 month in 2003 So how can this old name still be unavailable if they've all been purged from the DB ? 2) Arisidana: One of my biomassed characters is still there, hasn't been picked up in almost 2 years. I could see why "inactive" players you would never want to purge, but a biomassed character and inactive for "X" period, those should be okay to purge as well. There just seems to be a opportunity for a lot of wasted DB resources to me. IMHO. I imagine it's basically cos they're only doing "trial" accounts that never went live. People in that position have not invested any money into their game experience. I was unsubbed for a period of roughly 5 years, I was quite glad all my stuff was intact after that time! Your first example is a little more extreme but there would have to be a line drawn somewhere if they wanted to do long inactive/short subscribed time names, the way they have done it was a nice clear cut. Biomassed chars is a different issue, not sure what the deal is there.

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