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Wut Maschine
Apple Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.30 03:01:00 -
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Today, after close to 2 weeks of having a friends corp wardec'd by a 2 man corp that has never logged in except to renew the wardec, they received a reply back from their petition asking to have the war invalidated because it's clearly a greifing tactic. These said players fly incursions as were harassed by a set of players then wardec'd.
CCP's response, which is now documented in the form of petition states that this, after review with senior GM's is not a violation and is acceptable.
So, effective sometime Friday in a random timezone, I will be wardec'ing random people I see running Incursions. I will be hostile using Blackbirds to jam logistics with the intent to disrupt people playing. I will also be doing this because I'm a PVP'er and just want the kills as well.
If you make a living in this game from Incursions, please find a secondary line of work.
I strongly suggest that you petition CCP for every death and say that this game mechanic is either a) lovely, or b) considered greifing. Now I'm not going to be griefing here because I intent to kill everything I see. I'm not wardec 'ing for the purposed of never logging in but rather to hurt those that fly incursions.
Alternatively, you can always just fly with people who are wardec'ed and take your chances.
I expect to die, but expect to see yourselves in lots of incursion pain...
Let the pain begin. It's wartime!!!
BTW, CCP, if you want a copy of the petition and would like to rethink the strategy, let me know. It should be also noted that my intent is to use this wardec to destroy targets on the field, which I think is pretty much what the wardec mechanics are for. Can you please clarify this?
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2011.11.30 03:39:00 -
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YOU SO GANGSTA it is like if i went on second life and raged where's the spaceships |

Ghoest
20
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Posted - 2011.11.30 03:42:00 -
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Ummm if you dont like war decs join an NPC corp.
Or just keep washing the war dec off by joing one of the cleaner alliances. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |

Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
509
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Posted - 2011.11.30 03:51:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:YOU SO GANGSTA And listening to rap! 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
72
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Posted - 2011.11.30 03:54:00 -
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So your response to a logofski wardec is to...wardec others and actually kill them? Naga, you'd better be trollin'.
And if your 'friends' are too dumb to add the members of this AFK corp to watchlist, then they're too dumb to stay alive anyway. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |

Wut Maschine
Apple Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:08:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:So your response to a logofski wardec is to...wardec others and actually kill them? Naga, you'd better be trollin'.
And if your 'friends' are too dumb to add the members of this AFK corp to watchlist, then they're too dumb to stay alive anyway.
It's not a watchlist thing. It's a no one wants them in the incursion fleets because they're wardeced thing. We've watched for a time to hope to PVP'em but they never log in. Thus the petition was about working the game mechanics.
If you wardec and never log in it should be invalidated. |

Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
15
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:11:00 -
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at first i was like

then i was like

this was a simple yet effective troll. i think my guard was down a bit because this isnt ceeandpee |

Krios Ahzek
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
157
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:16:00 -
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Wardecs are pretty much meant to be used to kill people. If they're only a two man corp, you can just kill them easier. I live, I post, I slay. I am content. |

Zain Andreas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:20:00 -
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You sound dumb and bad at eve. |

Lola Humpsalot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:32:00 -
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u mad rite? |
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Wut Maschine
Apple Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:34:00 -
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Zain Andreas wrote:You sound dumb and bad at eve.
LOL, When the carebears want to make money they run incursions. When they run into stupid people in incursions that want to grief them out, they call up friends. Me and you have friends in common... |

Wut Maschine
Apple Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:34:00 -
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Lola Humpsalot wrote:u mad rite?
I'm not mad, I'm Angry! -- Wut Maschine...  |

Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
56
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:38:00 -
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Wut Maschine wrote:Today, after close to 2 weeks of having a friends corp wardec'd by a 2 man corp that has never logged in except to renew the wardec, they received a reply back from their petition asking to have the war invalidated because it's clearly a greifing tactic. These said players fly incursions as were harassed by a set of players then wardec'd.
CCP's response, which is now documented in the form of petition states that this, after review with senior GM's is not a violation and is acceptable.
So, effective sometime Friday in a random timezone, I will be wardec'ing random people I see running Incursions. I will be hostile using Blackbirds to jam logistics with the intent to disrupt people playing. I will also be doing this because I'm a PVP'er and just want the kills as well.
If you make a living in this game from Incursions, please find a secondary line of work.
I strongly suggest that you petition CCP for every death and say that this game mechanic is either a) lovely, or b) considered greifing. Now I'm not going to be griefing here because I intent to kill everything I see. I'm not wardec 'ing for the purposed of never logging in but rather to hurt those that fly incursions.
Alternatively, you can always just fly with people who are wardec'ed and take your chances.
I expect to die, but expect to see yourselves in lots of incursion pain...
Let the pain begin. It's wartime!!!
BTW, CCP, if you want a copy of the petition and would like to rethink the strategy, let me know. It should be also noted that my intent is to use this wardec to destroy targets on the field, which I think is pretty much what the wardec mechanics are for. Can you please clarify this?
Now you're learning how to play eve.
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Lola Humpsalot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:39:00 -
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Wut Maschine wrote:Lola Humpsalot wrote:u mad rite? I'm not mad, I'm Angry! -- Wut Maschine... 
no, i rly think u mad -- Lola... |

Wut Maschine
Apple Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:41:00 -
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Lola Humpsalot wrote:Wut Maschine wrote:Lola Humpsalot wrote:u mad rite? I'm not mad, I'm Angry! -- Wut Maschine...  no, i rly think u mad -- Lola...
Nope, still Angry... Some people reading this will figure it out. |

Wut Maschine
Apple Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:57:00 -
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My first but in this patch
Corporate Vote - Declare War Against {Name} From: Wut Maschine Sent: 2011.11.30 04:54
battlebot1077 won the wardec challenge
Looks like the dev's forgot to do a replace on {Name} with the corp name. |

ASadOldGit
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:59:00 -
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Wut Maschine wrote:KrakizBad wrote:So your response to a logofski wardec is to...wardec others and actually kill them? Naga, you'd better be trollin'.
And if your 'friends' are too dumb to add the members of this AFK corp to watchlist, then they're too dumb to stay alive anyway. It's not a watchlist thing. It's a no one wants them in the incursion fleets because they're wardeced thing. We've watched for a time to hope to PVP'em but they never log in. Thus the petition was about working the game mechanics. If you wardec and never log in it should be invalidated.
Ok, this is going to indicate how noob I am, but, how do the others in the incursion fleet know that someone's been wardecced? I don't remember there being an indicator on the character sheet or anything...
My container is NOT imploding! It's just a bit upset that it only sees cheap crap. |

Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
167
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:05:00 -
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One problem - a corp can only have three outgoing decs at once. Unless you're in an alliance, which you don't seem to be based on the forum information underneath your picture, you'll be unable to do much of any significance. |

Wut Maschine
Apple Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:09:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:One problem - a corp can only have three outgoing decs at once. Unless you're in an alliance, which you don't seem to be based on the forum information underneath your picture, you'll be unable to do much of any significance.
Wow, not really creative there. This is one of three toon on one account and there are a few of us that will be doing this (plus I also have multiple accounts. It's all about the pain man. The pain.
We will inflict pain so other don't have to. |

Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
218
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:15:00 -
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i will enjoy seeing your lossmails in battleclinic.
oh, and then whichever numbnuts didn't disclose that he was at war when he joined the fleet will be banned from the major incursion channels.
oh, and many people will just corp hop. MM Bombers, Best Bombers
Remove Drone Poo.
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Wut Maschine
Apple Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:27:00 -
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Denidil wrote:i will enjoy seeing your lossmails in battleclinic.
oh, and then whichever numbnuts didn't disclose that he was at war when he joined the fleet will be banned from the major incursion channels.
oh, and many people will just corp hop.
Hey, an MM guy. It's been a while since we (my buds and main) swapped pain in Venal. I will be splattered on the killboard (hopefully on the kill side).
But you hit the nail on the head. People will not be able to join fleet while Dec'ed. You will see lots of people leaving corps. This will be an intersting shake up.
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Corp 5py
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:29:00 -
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Wut Maschine wrote:Today, after close to 2 weeks of having a friends corp wardec'd by a 2 man corp that has never logged in except to renew the wardec, they received a reply back from their petition asking to have the war invalidated because it's clearly a greifing tactic. These said players fly incursions as were harassed by a set of players then wardec'd.
Funny thing is, I flew with that corp and I remember both the parties included in this. For a while I even had the 2 offending corp members added to my watch list.
I will not say anything more on this subject at this time.
*popcorn* |

Wut Maschine
Apple Inc.
1
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:06:00 -
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I almost made a mistake. I'm glad I caught myself. I asked who to wardec in the incursion channel and started the process then noticed that they were flying Machariels. That would have defeated the purposed of coming onto the field. Now after spending a few hours thinking about it and seeing proposed targets, I'm going after logi's only. After all, a good set of ECM's against them will kill all the targets I'm looking for.
Armed with this I can now actually be more effective since I can target my blackbirds to very specific racial targets of the day. I'm thinking shields this weekend.
Now, I'm going to be upfront and tell you that I will not be targeting any of Cozmic Cowboys guys, only because the first incursion that I flew was with him. I think it was about 8 hours after the patch. Man that was a bloody day. This was long before the time of jackelwobs wardeccing for the purpose of greifing and long before the concept of farming the incursions came to be.
Anyway, that's a side note. One of my buddies asked why I'd waste 2m isk per corp for the Dec on this toon and I said why not. It will strip their ability to make ISK. Anyway, I'm looking for the free kills and will be recruiting this weekend for corp pop in's. I will post once the wars are started for those that was to assist in the carnage.
Anyway, back to planning.
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proxwar
Klaatu Technologies
21
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:12:00 -
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Wut Maschine wrote:Shed tears
Somebody got banned from BTL didnt they when trying to run incursions in a fleet without letting averybody know they were under a dec?
Boo hoo |

Xtover
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
6
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:25:00 -
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Wut Maschine wrote:I almost made a mistake. I'm glad I caught myself. I asked who to wardec in the incursion channel and started the process then noticed that they were flying Machariels. That would have defeated the purposed of coming onto the field. Now after spending a few hours thinking about it and seeing proposed targets, I'm going after logi's only. After all, a good set of ECM's against them will kill all the targets I'm looking for.
Armed with this I can now actually be more effective since I can target my blackbirds to very specific racial targets of the day. I'm thinking shields this weekend.
Now, I'm going to be upfront and tell you that I will not be targeting any of Cozmic Cowboys guys, only because the first incursion that I flew was with him. I think it was about 8 hours after the patch. Man that was a bloody day. This was long before the time of jackelwobs wardeccing for the purpose of greifing and long before the concept of farming the incursions came to be.
Anyway, that's a side note. One of my buddies asked why I'd waste 2m isk per corp for the Dec on this toon and I said why not. It will strip their ability to make ISK. Anyway, I'm looking for the free kills and will be recruiting this weekend for corp pop in's. I will post once the wars are started for those that was to assist in the carnage.
Anyway, back to planning.
I like how you think you can solo gank incursion runners... Let alone be successful in this.
that being said, I applaud your method of rage coping.
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Wut Maschine
Apple Inc.
2
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:36:00 -
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Quote: I like how you think you can solo gank incursion runners... Let alone be successful in this.
that being said, I applaud your method of rage coping.
Success/failure is measures in how much you care. If I die 10 times in a blackbird and still succeed to take out a single Basi, I've won the ISK game ;).
Luckily for the corp, the new wardec mechanics allows people to jump into the corp on a whim and participate. So it might not be a solo after all, but I'll try the solo approach first. |

Wut Maschine
Apple Inc.
4
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Posted - 2011.12.02 16:38:00 -
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Here is some bad news for those that want to see this work and some potentially good news for those incursion people. Apparently the tax rate is so redonkulous on the customs offices that my sibling characters will be participating in that for the next 48 hours. I guess that some of the guys though it would be easy to whack these things will a few people and much to their dismay that didn't happen at the speed they wanted.
So, after 24 hours of producing the new BC's I'll be support that OP tonight. Let's see how fast these things drop with 12,000 dps on them. Apparently the biggest drawback is the need for haulers for ammo.
So I guess I'm going to defer to next weekend. |
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