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Ching Ling
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.13 20:39:00 -
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Hi, this is the average price of interceptors at Jita today, sorted from highest to lowest...
1. Crow (Caldari) 21.0m Price going up
2. Taranis (Gallente) 13.2m
3. Crusader (Amarr) 9.4m
4. Malediction (Amarr) 8.0m
5. Claw (Minmatar) 7.5m Price going up
6. Stiletto (Minmatar) 6.8m
7. Raptor(Caldari) 6.1m Price going down
8. Ares (Gallente) 5.2m Price going down
My main question is, what's wrong with the Ares?
And if the Stiletto is preferred by pilots, then I think it's undervalued a bit.
Please share your thoughts 
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Bazman
Caldari
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2006.09.13 20:44:00 -
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The question should be, what is right with the Ares?
Nothing really
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.13 20:46:00 -
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You need 2 MAPCs to fit a decent setup on the Ares, which is a long range setup (rails + light missiles). For short range tackling the ship is missing a 3rd med slot. The ship either needs more grid or a 3rd med slot, since the taranis is already short range my vote is for "grid".
Also I'm suprised Crudaser and Malediction are more expensive than Claw and Stiletto...
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Kye Kenshin
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.13 20:46:00 -
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Its one of those ships you don't truly comprehend how awful it is until you actually board one.
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Blood Raine
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Posted - 2006.09.13 20:49:00 -
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Lemme just say its the best shuttle in the game other than that its nearly useless.
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.13 20:51:00 -
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1. Very low powergrid.
2. Rather low top speed.
3. Too few mid slots to tackle.
4. Split weapon layout means severely decreased efficiency on damage mods.
5. Bonuses are spread out over several weapon systems.
(below is RP/aesthetic stuff)
6. Roden Shipyards philosophy is unfocused and unspecialized - this is not how T2 ships are supposed to be.
7. Roden Shipyards design is highly un-Gallentean, realistically the Gallente Navy or President's beaureu would not commission any contract deals for these ships after reviewing them.
8. Roden Shipyards' own testing should have put the ship back on the drawing table.
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Phrixus Zephyr
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.09.13 20:55:00 -
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Seriously, you can look at posts on this all day and think 'Can't be that bad' (i did). Then try and get in one and try and fit any kind of decent setup.
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Ching Ling
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.13 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ching Ling on 13/09/2006 20:59:28
Ah... Thanks. 
That's why I am using one for region-wide small goods hauling at the moment. :)
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.09.13 21:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Kye Kenshin
Its one of those ships you don't truly comprehend how awful it is until you actually board one.
QFT.
If it actually had the grid to fit decent weapons it might be ok. But you need one or even two MAPCs to do anything with this piece of junk.
If the grid was incresed so that normal setups don't absolutely require a MAPC, this ship might be useful. As is, it's in the same junk pile as the Nemesis, for the same reason.
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Adamantium Beam
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Posted - 2006.09.13 21:14:00 -
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I hope the hyperion will not be a roden shipyards ship 
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.13 21:15:00 -
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Only good thing with ares is price and ... luckily it's so crappy that most people underestimate you if you happen to fly one. Most inty pilots are pure crap and crow sorts the problem for them.
But in short, taranis and crow are expensive coz they can kill stuff and have 3 medslots. Crusader & claw can kill stuff well but have 2 meds and you either don't web or don't scramble(or don't mwd) and it's like cutting 50% of performance of crow/taranis before you undock.
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Ortu Konsinni
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.13 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Adamantium Beam
I hope the hyperion will not be a roden shipyards ship
It's not a T2 ship, therefore it's not gonna come out of Roden Shipyards, or CreoDron, or Duvolle Labs.
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DigitalCommunist
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.13 21:22:00 -
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What is the Ares?..
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An overpriced shuttle! Its major flaw for pvp is two fold however..
1. You can't fit anything worth fitting. Think electrons or 75mm gatlings.
2. It tries to be the "support" variant, exchanging firepower for tackle power.. but the Taranis is better at both.
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SasRipper
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.13 21:23:00 -
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my advise would be :
step 1: buy an ares
step 2: try to fit an ares
step 3: bash your head of table as you cant fit anything
step 4: pass out
step 5: sell ares
after that you will understand the price
Originally by: Santiago Cortes
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Hulemand
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.09.13 21:25:00 -
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It is however good for 0.0 travel, when you only want to TRAVEL. MWD, medium shield extender, nanos, wcs or what ever else you feel for in low slotw.
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Commoner
Caldari
The Foundation of Free Traders
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2006.09.13 22:01:00 -
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Role: Best T2 shuttle in game
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2006.09.13 22:14:00 -
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Still i didnt lose that many 1 vs 1 with my ares 
Allthough one time i screwed up and lost it vs a taranis, pretty stupid.
One of the guys i also couldnt handle was a crow that went 6 km/s with normal missiles and 4.7 with precision that hit for 89 damage each...
I didnt die, crow did way to much 30k flybyes for that but still.
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Kharo Khann
Cosmology
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Posted - 2006.09.13 22:24:00 -
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I love my Ares, very good fast T2 shuttle, nearly uncatchable, can be used as (low) sec small mission runner, nowadays for lev 4 courier missions worth it.
But anything else... no
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Ysolde Xen
Minmatar
Liberal Trading Co
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.09.14 00:33:00 -
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I always figured the 'Ranis would be the speedy tackler and the Ares would be the damage dealer. But thanks to no PG upgrade when missile bay PG reqs were upped, all I can get on are 75mm gatling rails and rocket launchers.
The problem with the Ares is when you compare it to the Taranis. The disparity between the two is immense and that, I think, is also a bit of a perception problem. The Taranis is easily the 2nd best (some argue THE best) interceptor in the game. it's hard for the others to compete.
I actually really like my Ares, and I can get some very nice results out of it in both PvP and PvE. But oh for a little extra grid so it can be fitted better... and how abuot a little role balancing? It's clearly not the tackler so how about upping the combat output? This may mean the Taranis gets nuked a bit but with the extra mid and the stats it has, it's better suited for tackling anyway.
Just my 2p.
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Khadur
Minmatar
Spontaneous Defenestration
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2006.09.14 01:17:00 -
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Cap imo
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Kai Lae
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.09.14 01:44:00 -
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I've almost given up CCP actually paying attention to this. Everyone says it needs to be redone and the band keeps playing on..
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Dixon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.14 01:53:00 -
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it's pink
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Dahak2150
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Posted - 2006.09.14 02:25:00 -
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Hmmm, seems my tutorial was a complete waste of time. Didn't need to gather info on the Ares since it's a total piece of junk.........
That's Caldari Intelligence for you.
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Phrixus Zephyr
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.09.14 02:51:00 -
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Taranis is the be all and end all of short range 'ceptor fights. I'd proberbly actually use the Ares if i could fit standards and 125 or 150 rails without gimping all my lows.
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.09.14 02:56:00 -
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It can't even fit electrons and rockets with a decent setup. Its terrible and should be removed from the game, because no matter what you do, the taranis will be better. Its the tackler and the damage dealer.
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Cornette
Gallente
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.14 08:05:00 -
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"What is wrong with the Ares?" people say. I would rather say: what is wrong with people that can't use it for what it does best? That is hunting frigs, fighting other ceptors.
I recently had a 1 vs 1 against a arty claw and I come out on top with 15% struchture left. As the fight begun and we both scramed each other it was a fight to the end. I tought I would lose as my armor dropped faster then his. But thanks to the extra lowslott and a damage controll in it (50% to hull) I survived. The Ares has more structure then shield and armor so fitting a DC is always a good idea.
As for my skills they are nearly maxed for ceptor and the tech 2 125mm rails I used, but my missile skills for the rockets was less then 30k at that time. So there is room for improvement.
The Ares a tech 2 shuttle? I don't think so.
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