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Gretchen Dawntreader
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.14 00:13:00 -
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...about that isk-selling website we all get (multiple) evemails about all the time. I won't mention it, everyone knows what I mean and so do CCP if they read my petitions. Certainly I'm not the only player getting pelted with these every time I enter a hub system.
The long parade of disposable alts used to send players spam in a game (spam is annoying enough in my email account but in a game??) leads me to believe this site continues to operate, apparently unmolested.
All I'm really looking for is some sign or post or something that CCP is trying, at least trying some avenues to shut them down or block them or something. I've petitioned many times and the reply is usually dismissing in tone.
So has anyone even sent a cease and desist order letter or anything?
Seriously, I can't fly through Rens without getting 3 or 4 evemails from their alt-of-the-moment.
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Cattraknoff
Caldari Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.14 00:15:00 -
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Why don't they start tying the trial accounts to the people who are sending out the trials, that way the people spamming this **** can be linked to their main and banned permanently (After say 5 get linked to them.)
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Illegal
Khanid Manufacturing and Delivery
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Posted - 2006.09.14 00:17:00 -
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as far as i am aware CCP cannot take legal action against the website for the service they're offering. all they can do is ban the players for engaging in such activities, and CCP are doing that, every time you petition its not a character ***** slapped, its an account, every petition you send is money cost to these isk sellers.
there is only so much CCP can do mate, and we need to help them as best we can. Im sure they are far more frustrated than you, take solice in that fact. --
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Illegal
Khanid Manufacturing and Delivery
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Posted - 2006.09.14 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Illegal on 14/09/2006 00:19:46 my typing is bad tonight :/
as i just posted, they are getting banned, and odds are they are not trials, if they are im sure CCP are banning the mains too, they have no tolerance for this ****, any link to any accounts owned by anyone engaging in these activities = bannage. --
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2006.09.14 01:26:00 -
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I notice that isk sellers always use that one website in their ads
CCP has massive bandwidth at their disposal. CCP is capable of network warefare. Why don't they just DoS those websites during downtime or something? Hell, the 1000s of EVE users could help! we just need to coordinate our attack and provide people with instructions on what to do
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Dahak2150
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Posted - 2006.09.14 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
CCP has massive bandwidth at their disposal. CCP is capable of network warefare. Why don't they just DoS those websites during downtime or something?
I'd like "Because it's a crime dingus" for 500 please, Alex. ---------- My sig is boring. |
Ephemeron
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Posted - 2006.09.14 01:34:00 -
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just because it's a crime, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. You just need to evaluate risk and benefit, get-away strategy. Considering that the target is of very questionable legal status, there won't be any FBI investigations. CCP could mask the attack as some hacker taking over their server to carry out attack, blame someone else. It's really not that far fetched
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w0rmy
Intensive CareBearz
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Posted - 2006.09.14 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: w0rmy on 14/09/2006 01:42:10
Originally by: Ephemeron just because it's a crime, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. You just need to evaluate risk and benefit, get-away strategy. Considering that the target is of very questionable legal status, there won't be any FBI investigations. CCP could mask the attack as some hacker taking over their server to carry out attack, blame someone else. It's really not that far fetched
CCP DoS someone.
CCPs network provider disconnects them for breach of AUP/TOC.
EVE dies.
or...
CCP DoS someone.
CCPs network providers peering partners, null route the source range to protect their users.
EVE dies.
Either way, its a stupid idea.
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Dark Shikari
What single item is larger than a jetcan?
My ego?
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Testicular Testes
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Posted - 2006.09.14 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy Edited by: w0rmy on 14/09/2006 01:42:10
Originally by: Ephemeron just because it's a crime, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. You just need to evaluate risk and benefit, get-away strategy. Considering that the target is of very questionable legal status, there won't be any FBI investigations. CCP could mask the attack as some hacker taking over their server to carry out attack, blame someone else. It's really not that far fetched
CCP DoS someone.
CCPs network provider disconnects them for breach of AUP/TOC.
EVE dies.
or...
CCP DoS someone.
CCPs network providers peering partners, null route the source range to protect their users.
EVE dies.
Either way, its a stupid idea.
I think it's brilliant, CCP needs to run a Warez site off the Tranquility Cluster too. It'll improve the lag.
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w0rmy
Intensive CareBearz
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Posted - 2006.09.14 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Testicular Testes
I think it's brilliant, CCP needs to run a Warez site off the Tranquility Cluster too. It'll improve the lag.
The Pirate Bay could always do with some more Yarrrrdware
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Dark Shikari
What single item is larger than a jetcan?
My ego?
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2006.09.14 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy Edited by: w0rmy on 14/09/2006 01:42:10
Originally by: Ephemeron just because it's a crime, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. You just need to evaluate risk and benefit, get-away strategy. Considering that the target is of very questionable legal status, there won't be any FBI investigations. CCP could mask the attack as some hacker taking over their server to carry out attack, blame someone else. It's really not that far fetched
CCP DoS someone.
CCPs network provider disconnects them for breach of AUP/TOC.
EVE dies.
or...
CCP DoS someone.
CCPs network providers peering partners, null route the source range to protect their users.
EVE dies.
Either way, its a stupid idea.
Then do it the old fashioned way - undisclosed source releases a prog that EVE users download, the prog then DoSes isk sellers at specified time from all users machines. Users remain innocent claiming they didn't know about it. People buy it because this type of attack is done on regular basis.
Currently, law is inadequate to protect interest of society in this area
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.14 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 14/09/2006 02:05:25 Attacks like that, where you're suggesting CCP knowingly distribute malware, are frequently tracked back to their origion, and for good reason. An attack on particular sites would be a clear case for a full investigation.
I can think of NOTHING better for legitimising the sites in question, even in front of a judge.
You're advocating criminal actions on a publically readable forum. That's NOT bright.
The fatc of the matter is, your "protection" is something which hasn't been tested in coirt, it's a claim in the EULA, no more and no less. There is an increasing movement in other parts of the world against your intepretation. I fully believe that the way society is moving, that that EULA claim will not in the long term stand.
(No, I'm not doing anything against the EULA, and neither is this something which will be resolved in the short term)
You're offering simplistic, nuclear answers to deep waters indeed.
Finally, allowing ebaying does not mean you WILL ruin the in-game economy (Ultima Online). Preventing ebaying does not mean you WILL NOT ruin the in-game economy (Asherons Call).
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2006.09.14 02:14:00 -
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many people tend to have very uptight view of the law
I can walk up to a guy I don't like, bit him up and get away with it, especially if he's my type of guy. Same thing with internet companies. The world is too busy with other things to care about small squabbles, especially when the victim is a bad guy or poor
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2006.09.14 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron many people tend to have very uptight view of the law
I can walk up to a guy I don't like, bit him up and get away with it, especially if he's my type of guy. Same thing with internet companies. The world is too busy with other things to care about small squabbles, especially when the victim is a bad guy or poor
Because i work in an ISP i tell you that you are badly mistaken. The increase of traffic on the recipient is noticable immediatelly and also is a risk factor for the ISP equipment, that provides the service to the said server. The IP addresses will be routed immediatelly to null0 and logged. Also the originating ISPs will be notified for the actions of their users leading to some trouble for the users. You may think that the victim is a bad guy but for the ISP he pays for the connection service, is another customer they don't want to lose. So they will take the steps needed to protect him. And that means that they will report that to the proper authorities too if this happens more than one time. Maybe even the first time.
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Master Spoonman
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Posted - 2006.09.14 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron many people tend to have very uptight view of the law
Because taking the law at your leisure can wind you up in jail.
Originally by: Ephemeron I can walk up to a guy I don't like, bit him up and get away with it,
Not sure if you mean 'hit' or 'bite,' but I sincerely hope the first.
Originally by: Ephemeron especially if he's my type of guy. Same thing with internet companies. The world is too busy with other things to care about small squabbles, especially when the victim is a bad guy or poor
Not too sure what is your type of guy, but I still think if you randomly walk up to someone to engage in an act of violence that would be prosecutable.
On track, however, I also doubt that 'the world' wouldn't care about illegal internet attacks. I'm pretty sure the victim (and his lawyers) would care greatly. Someone being poor isn't a valid excuse for you to pick on them, not even close. I wouldn't know if ISK sellers are bad people; they probably live normal lives and just have a unique (albeit against the EULA) way of bringing home the bacon.
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Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.14 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron many people tend to have very uptight view of the law
I can walk up to a guy I don't like, bit him up and get away with it, especially if he's my type of guy. Same thing with internet companies. The world is too busy with other things to care about small squabbles, especially when the victim is a bad guy or poor
Your posts are normally quite sensible, what happened?
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar L.O.S.T. Foundation
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Posted - 2006.09.14 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dahak2150
Originally by: Ephemeron
CCP has massive bandwidth at their disposal. CCP is capable of network warefare. Why don't they just DoS those websites during downtime or something?
I'd like "Because it's a crime dingus" for 500 please, Alex.
beautifully put.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar L.O.S.T. Foundation
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Posted - 2006.09.14 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron I notice that isk sellers always use that one website in their ads
CCP has massive bandwidth at their disposal. CCP is capable of network warefare. Why don't they just DoS those websites during downtime or something? Hell, the 1000s of EVE users could help! we just need to coordinate our attack and provide people with instructions on what to do
give us a call when the shuttle you're on touches down on Earth again.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar L.O.S.T. Foundation
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Posted - 2006.09.14 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: w0rmy Edited by: w0rmy on 14/09/2006 01:42:10
Originally by: Ephemeron just because it's a crime, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. You just need to evaluate risk and benefit, get-away strategy. Considering that the target is of very questionable legal status, there won't be any FBI investigations. CCP could mask the attack as some hacker taking over their server to carry out attack, blame someone else. It's really not that far fetched
CCP DoS someone.
CCPs network provider disconnects them for breach of AUP/TOC.
EVE dies.
or...
CCP DoS someone.
CCPs network providers peering partners, null route the source range to protect their users.
EVE dies.
Either way, its a stupid idea.
Then do it the old fashioned way - undisclosed source releases a prog that EVE users download, the prog then DoSes isk sellers at specified time from all users machines. Users remain innocent claiming they didn't know about it. People buy it because this type of attack is done on regular basis.
Currently, law is inadequate to protect interest of society in this area
were you born like this, or did you have your head slammed in a car door as a kid?
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