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Vorran Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.01.03 12:25:51 - [61] - Quote Johnson Stroker wrote: Honor is a dying thing in both real life and the virtual world. Yep it is, it a very hard thing to watch as I get older
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 903	Posted - 2015.01.03 12:42:10 - [62] - Quote Xerxes Fehrnah wrote: My question for you is what code of conduct or rules do you obey in-game that are not required by the game mechanics? When I started Eve, I tried to be nice to people the way I am in real life... helping people... basically a big boy scout. These days... I will still help a newbie, but I find myself losing concern for my public image as a good guy. That completely depends on the character I play at a given moment. Remove insurance. This thread is the reason, why CCP should stop advertising any aspect of EVE PvE
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 903	Posted - 2015.01.03 12:45:53 - [63] - Quote Johnson Stroker wrote: Honor is a dying thing in both real life and the virtual world. Few things are less subjective than honor. Remove insurance. This thread is the reason, why CCP should stop advertising any aspect of EVE PvE
Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 265	Posted - 2015.01.03 14:17:50 - [64] - Quote Johan Civire wrote: Nicolai Serkanner wrote: Johan Civire wrote: Because working my ass of to get that sp points what i have now. How much work is it to gain SP? I don't know what kind of job you have but my job is a lot harder than getting SP in EvE. To gain sp is hard yes its hard. You know paying the bills every month is hard in my country perhaps in your country is better! So gaining sp points in my world is hard. But i guess you people think everyone is rich right? Or can easy pay there bills. I guess you like troll other people to in real life because you`re thinking that the world is only US only? right? Dude, I am from The Netherlands. PS: perhaps you should rethink your priorities. If you have problems paying your bills, you shouldn't spend money one a monthly subscription like EvE online.
Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 265	Posted - 2015.01.03 14:36:01 - [65] - Quote Johan Civire wrote: Sol Project wrote: Or, maybe, you shouldn't be playing at work. Then you would most likely do a better job, too. Or, in case this all is true ... ... and fifteen bucks to pay for a month really are too much ... ... then you shouldn't be playing at all, because you have bigger problems. This smells too much like troll. For you 15 bucks is nothing for me is everything. I guess you like to personnel attack me. You`re thinking playing eve at work is the same as home? I guess your brain can not handle the different culture in this world! You people think that money is every where in the world? i guess i stop posting here and draw the line here before its getting outside control. You really shouldn't play Eve.
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 709	Posted - 2015.01.03 15:17:31 - [66] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: As you may have guessed I and many other Agents of the New Order and law abiding citizens in New Order territory (formerly known as Highsec) . I laughed and then I read your signature, "CODE. always wins," and nearly fell out of my chair. In this example the Proc was caught on an invisble part of an asteroid. CSM Ten movement for change. EVE - the only MMO that not so subtly serves up victims. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Nami Kumamato School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 394	Posted - 2015.01.03 15:30:12 - [67] - Quote Posting With Alt wrote: I am immortal. I am a capsuleer. What need have I for morality? Famous Jovian last words... " And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit - I never felt so good, I never felt so hid ! " - Ramona McCandless, Untitled
Jurico Elemenohpe 14th Legion The Bloc 68	Posted - 2015.01.03 15:30:44 - [68] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: As you may have guessed I and many other Agents of the New Order and law abiding citizens in New Order territory (formerly known as Highsec) . I laughed and then I read your signature, "CODE. always wins," and nearly fell out of my chair. In this example the Proc was caught on an invisble part of an asteroid. But I think they can always just say that they're not the code, just agents of it, so their losses don't count. Or something like that.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1133	Posted - 2015.01.03 15:37:52 - [69] - Quote Mag's wrote: Depends upon what I'm doing in game. As a pirate, I always honoured ransoms as did the corp. Pretty much this. If and I mean IF I offer a ransom I honor it. I actually do offer them on occasion, especially when dealing with newer players. I do NOT betray a trust I've cultivated. I will not **** over those who I consider comrades. Anyone else is pretty much fair game. What limits this is my own motivation to be honest. I'm just way too lazy to get into scamming or safaris or awoxing. Taking from some nitwit in space who doesn't bother to properly protect their assets is a whole different matter tho. If I don't know you from Adam, your name is Mark to me. This is just where I stand personally. I also belong to a merc alliance, so if they say to crush/kill/destroy well, that's business. Crush/kill/destroy it is. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 709	Posted - 2015.01.03 15:40:53 - [70] - Quote Jurico Elemenohpe wrote: But I think they can always just say that they're not the code, just agents of it, so their losses don't count. Or something like that. Sounds like they are kissing each other to remove the boo-boo. CSM Ten movement for change. EVE - the only MMO that not so subtly serves up victims. Status: Rabid carebear Blog

Equinnox Dethahal Black Anvil Industries SpaceMonkey's Alliance 22	Posted - 2015.01.03 15:47:10 - [71] - Quote Its a sandbox so if you want some special community bent on good, start one up, get the ball rolling on it, if it provides gameplay that people love it will spread. Im not sure what it is you dislike though, is it ganking noobs in high sec? the super obvious scammers in local? The pvpers in general? Mind you the bad people do provide content for a lot of players, don't have to be a scumbag to reap entertainment from those who are.
Meilandra Vanderganken Aliastra Gallente Federation 243	Posted - 2015.01.03 15:54:07 - [72] - Quote Xerxes Fehrnah wrote: My question for you is what code of conduct or rules do you obey in-game that are not required by the game mechanics? When I started Eve, I tried to be nice to people the way I am in real life... helping people... basically a big boy scout. These days... I will still help a newbie, but I find myself losing concern for my public image as a good guy. Depends on my mood and the person in question if I will help someone. Other than that, I keep my word and I don't lie more than is necessary for my gameplay (it's rarely necessary in my line of work which is ganking and trading mostly).
Lexi Starshine School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.01.03 16:22:14 - [73] - Quote Sol Project wrote: Or, maybe, you shouldn't be playing at work. Then you would most likely do a better job, too. Or, in case this all is true ... ... and fifteen bucks to pay for a month really are too much ... ... then you shouldn't be playing at all, because you have bigger problems. This smells too much like troll. People in EU pay double that. Tons of developing nations in Eastern Europe. $30 is a lot of money to them.
Creiter Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.03 16:24:56 - [74] - Quote Stopped reading after page 2, some pointless debate about cost of game, work required, when the OP seemed to be asking about your ethics and morality. Personally, stopped caring about anybody. Will give some advice out, sometimes a few million isk....rest of the time its your own damn problem, you have to learn, good luck, and fck off I don' t really care about you type attitude I have adopted even in real life (thanks to EVE, won't donate to most charities cause I see human nature at its basic core, forget EULA/Sandbox and "its just a game" as I just don't care about other people anymore who are not family or close friends...humans do what they do, I won't contribute nor help much to make it better or worse).
Yourmoney Mywallet Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation 278	Posted - 2015.01.03 16:44:53 - [75] - Quote Lexi Starshine wrote: Sol Project wrote: Or, maybe, you shouldn't be playing at work. Then you would most likely do a better job, too. Or, in case this all is true ... ... and fifteen bucks to pay for a month really are too much ... ... then you shouldn't be playing at all, because you have bigger problems. This smells too much like troll. People in EU pay double that. Tons of developing nations in Eastern Europe. $30 is a lot of money to them. Whether it's 15 bucks or 30 bucks is irrelevant. If you have difficulty paying for EVE you should be paying for bread instead.
Serene Repose 1993	Posted - 2015.01.03 17:15:12 - [76] - Quote I don't do anything in the game I wouldn't do out of the game. Except: own a spaceship, dock said spaceship, hyperwarp in said spaceship, put lasers and rayguns on a spaceship, buy spaceship accoutrements, talk to people who fly spaceships...other than that.... Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 361	Posted - 2015.01.03 18:25:59 - [77] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Johan Civire wrote: When the make it Free to play game. I will quit eve. Or if the remove sp or reskill your sp points. If this happens i`m gone and ask for refund. Because working my ass of to get that sp points what i have now. Don`t want to talk how many real money i spend in this ridicules game. Let alone the real time i spend on this game. Even my wife will kick me in the butt if i leave eve for lesser things. They don't need to make it a Free-to-Play game. Whyever would they do that? They're not going to betray their customers. "Refund" "working my ass off to get sp points" This guy is either trolling or really needs to get a life. ^_^ Do you have more of these butterflys ??? Exactly. NO ONE works to get Skill Points. You add a skill to a queue and wait for time to pass...
Jur Tissant The TERRA Guardians of Serenity 369	Posted - 2015.01.03 18:39:53 - [78] - Quote It's a game. You don't apologize when you take your enemy's pawn. I don't tend to scam or steal since EVE is a community game and that doesn't help me in that regard, but scammers aren't breaking some moral code - they're just playing the game. Just treat people with respect.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6004	Posted - 2015.01.03 18:43:14 - [79] - Quote I try not to be an ass hat but there are times when someone does something so asinine that making them suffer for it (in game of course) seems like the only just and logical course of action. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
loyalanon The Conference Elite CODE. 590	Posted - 2015.01.03 20:37:26 - [80] - Quote Sol Project wrote: This has the same title as my petition. Funny. Was this from your break down in local or what happened? ;)

Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 845	Posted - 2015.01.03 20:45:22 - [81] - Quote You don't have to draw the line, there are plenty of them in C1 WHs. Sorry, couldn't resist. More seriously, I draw it where I still can handle things.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 15913	Posted - 2015.01.03 21:20:47 - [82] - Quote Xerxes Fehrnah wrote: My question for you is what code of conduct or rules do you obey in-game that are not required by the game mechanics? When I started Eve, I tried to be nice to people the way I am in real life... helping people... basically a big boy scout. These days... I will still help a newbie, but I find myself losing concern for my public image as a good guy. I'm nice to people I care about. I ignore people I don't know unless they're a potential threat to me, in which case I do my best to avoid them. If I think I can kill people who aren't people I care about, I will. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Scion Lex Tungsten Carbonide Asset Management Tungsten Dominion 165	Posted - 2015.01.03 21:54:36 - [83] - Quote Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Scion Lex wrote: Posting With Alt wrote: I am immortal. I am a capsuleer. What need have I for morality? well integrity is a commodity while treachery is in abundance. Therefore, integrity is profitable due to demand. In otherwords, having some form of morality can help your bottom line. Especally, over the long term. Do you need it? Well, of course not. In fact, the less of it you use the better I look and the more isk I make. So ty. It would amuse me if you applied that concept to EVE. "I didn't gank that shuttle with 50+ PLEX in it, therefore, I make more ISK than you." Naturally, your looking at the short veiw. Your comparison has no context in relation to my statement. Again, as usual. What I am referring to is to the value [and power] of social contract. But since you can't think past your own nose....or be bothered to post with a main, it doesn't surprise me your lack of understanding is displayed in the form of an irrelevant and snide comment. Such lack of vision generally works to my advantage.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 207	Posted - 2015.01.03 23:15:10 - [84] - Quote Scion Lex wrote: Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Scion Lex wrote: Posting With Alt wrote: I am immortal. I am a capsuleer. What need have I for morality? well integrity is a commodity while treachery is in abundance. Therefore, integrity is profitable due to demand. In otherwords, having some form of morality can help your bottom line. Especally, over the long term. Do you need it? Well, of course not. In fact, the less of it you use the better I look and the more isk I make. So ty. It would amuse me if you applied that concept to EVE. "I didn't gank that shuttle with 50+ PLEX in it, therefore, I make more ISK than you." Naturally, your looking at the short veiw. Your comparison has no context in relation to my statement. Again, as usual. What I am referring to is to the value [and power] of social contract. But since you can't think past your own nose....or be bothered to post with a main, it doesn't surprise me your lack of understanding is displayed in the form of an irrelevant and snide comment. Such lack of vision generally works to my advantage. It was a joke. Not a snide remark. I really don't see how people make generalisations about character over such a comment. But... You didn't see the joking manner in which the comment had intended so, well, *shrugs.
Vyl Vit 1009	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:12:00 - [85] - Quote It's a wishful-thinking fallacy born in the computer gaming age (where you have a "virtual reality") that you can have two sets of values; apply one in-game, apply the other in life. Don't kid yourself. If you'd do it in EVE, you'd do it in real life. If you'd do it in real life, you'd do it in EVE. People like to claim they have that sort of supreme self-control, and they may even believe it themselves, but the truth of the matter is, one is who one is regardless. Can someone become a new person? This is a subject of great debate in many circles - be born again, overcome, adapt. Yet, it is a subject of debate, just as is "are there ghosts" and "does this make me look fat?" Even were it true, that "new person" would them become the person. People who refute this are saying more about how little they know of themselves, psychology and human behavior, than they are about anything that's remotely true. Where do I draw what line? I see no lines. I am who I am and behave accordingly - consciously and sub-consciously.... ...just like you. Anyone with any sense has already left town.
Paranoid Loyd 3369	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:16:30 - [86] - Quote Vyl Vit wrote: If you'd do it in EVE, you'd do it in real life. If you'd do it in real life, you'd do it in EVE. Yep, I just destroyed a trailer truck full of loot on the way to work this morning. Might also take one out on the way home if I find one profitable enough. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 209	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:17:13 - [87] - Quote Vyl Vit wrote: It's a wishful thinking fallacy born in the computer gaming age (where you have a "virtual reality") that you can have two sets of values; apply one in game, apply the other in life. Don't kid yourself. If you'd do it in EVE, you'd do it in real life. If you'd do it in real life, you'd do it in EVE. People like to claim they have that sort of supreme self-control, and they may even believe it themselves, but the truth of the matter is, one is who one is regardless. Can someone become a new person? This is a subject of great debate in many circles - be born again, overcome, adapt. Yet, it is a subject of debate, just as is "are there ghosts" and "does the make me look fat?" Even were it true, that "new person" would them become the person. People who refute this are saying more about how little they know of themselves, psychology and human behavior, than they are about anything that's remotely true. Where do I draw what line? I see no lines. I am who I am and behave accordingly - consciously and sub-consciously.... ...just like you. And yet, people DO apply two different sets of values. Philosophical ideas are cool, but yeah. In this case, you're saying that if someone goes on a kill-everyone-on-sight rampage in EVE, they'd be able to do it in real life.
Vyl Vit 1009	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:18:21 - [88] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Vyl Vit wrote: If you'd do it in EVE, you'd do it in real life. If you'd do it in real life, you'd do it in EVE. Yep, I just destroyed a trailer truck full of loot on the way to work this morning. Would you steal? Would you lie about it later? Would you destroy property out of spite? Sure, big huge things get you caught...but in a way where you wouldn't get caught? Umm hmmm....your response was very telling indeed. Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: And yet, people DO apply two different sets of values. Philosophical ideas are cool, but yeah. In this case, you're saying that if someone goes on a kill-everyone-on-sight rampage in EVE, they'd be able to do it in real life. No. They don't. That sounds great, though. You know for a fact you don't "virtually" kill anyone in EVE anyway. They come back. You DO destroy property, cause them anguish and hardship though, then tell yourself it's okay to do it. Anyone with any sense has already left town.
Paranoid Loyd 3369	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:22:24 - [89] - Quote Vyl Vit wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Vyl Vit wrote: If you'd do it in EVE, you'd do it in real life. If you'd do it in real life, you'd do it in EVE. Yep, I just destroyed a trailer truck full of loot on the way to work this morning. Would you steal? Would you lie about it later? Would you destroy property out of spite? Sure, big huge things get you caught...but in a way where you wouldn't get caught? Umm hmmm....your response was very telling indeed. Yes I steal all the time, just like I destroy trailer trucks. It's not about getting caught it's about right and wrong. It is wrong to steal and destroy things IRL, it is not wrong to do it in a video game designed around doing said things. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Scion Lex Tungsten Carbonide Asset Management Tungsten Dominion 168	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:25:22 - [90] - Quote Given that I have blown things up on my way to work I can say that people will do what they can get away with knowningly. Therefore, if your 'job' allows you to blow up a truck full of loot.........or a car full of locals in the wrong place at wrong time, what the difference? ...as I said there are 2 rules, what a player can do and what I player can't do. In the context of that statement it is true that you are who you are regardless of your environment. You will do what you believe is in your best interests at any given time in any given enviroment. That means blowing stuff up or stealing a pen.....there is no difference. Your still you.



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