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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2015.01.04 00:38:37 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:If you'd do it in EVE, you'd do it in real life. If you'd do it in real life, you'd do it in EVE. Yep, I just destroyed a trailer truck full of loot on the way to work this morning. Might also take one out on the way home if I find one profitable enough.
Other Fine examples of RL EVE training
R.I.P. Vile Rat
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
450
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Posted - 2015.01.04 02:47:06 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:If you'd do it in EVE, you'd do it in real life. If you'd do it in real life, you'd do it in EVE. Yep, I just destroyed a trailer truck full of loot on the way to work this morning. Would you steal? Would you lie about it later? Would you destroy property out of spite? Sure, big huge things get you caught...but in a way where you wouldn't get caught? Umm hmmm....your response was very telling indeed. Yes, I steal all the time, just like I destroy trailer trucks. It's not about getting caught it's about right and wrong. It is wrong to steal and destroy things IRL, it is not wrong to do it in a video game designed around doing said things. No. It's not about right and wrong. That's overly simplistic. It is about who and what you are and if you can really get outside that "just because".
The pro shrinks just rewrote their manual. They figure better than 80% of the population are sociopaths, so they had to redefine that. It seems sociopathy is a route to success in modern culture...and since the more things change, the more they stay the same...all culture for all time, so far.
There's two kinds of sociopaths. The ones who aren't afraid of getting caught, and the ones that are. Anyway, we have to believe someone when they say they're honest, and above board, and since this is EVE and we know we never trust ANYONE, you can see how far your assertions go. Not very...
Vyl's right about this. If "right and wrong" are your measure, you couldn't deny it...so...that speaks volumes right there.
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.04 03:25:16 -
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you can still educate a newbie in the realest way possible and be a good person you simply explain the mistake they made and give them a bit of advice as you destroy them. It is a game
pay attention to how your feeling and play 3 alts 1- that focuses on the positive 2- that focuses on the negative 3- that focuses purely in what you enjoy
I am the overriding controller of the Neutral Alignment in My Scope Project but I encourage the both positive and negative to occur regularly as this keep my Armada experienced in what can happen. S
o when they solo play they have a working understanding as to what is the Cyber-reality that is eve
always have a destination no matter you're preferred alignment in game
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
522
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Posted - 2015.01.04 05:15:42 -
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I have my own code of honor, for lack of a better term. Basically, I won't rob a corp/alliance I'm a member of, or steal from/awox/screw over a corp mate (unless they start it).
If you are not a member of my corp/alliance, or one of my small circle of friends, I will have no qualms about trying to kill you and take your stuff.
So the line is basically between me and mine, and everyone else.
Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!
This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury
It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2015.01.04 05:54:49 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:It's a wishful-thinking fallacy born in the computer gaming age (where you have a "virtual reality") that you can have two sets of values; apply one in-game, apply the other in life. Don't kid yourself. If you'd do it in EVE, you'd do it in real life. If you'd do it in real life, you'd do it in EVE. People like to claim they have that sort of supreme self-control, and they may even believe it themselves, but the truth of the matter is, one is who one is regardless.
Can someone become a new person? This is a subject of great debate in many circles - be born again, overcome, adapt. Yet, it is a subject of debate, just as is "are there ghosts" and "does this make me look fat?" Even were it true, that "new person" would then become the person. People who refute this are saying more about how little they know of themselves, psychology and human behavior, than they are about anything that's remotely true.
Where do I draw what line? I see no lines. I am who I am and behave accordingly - consciously and sub-consciously.... ...just like you.
This is a simplicistic point of view.
Sometimes the unexpected happens and it defies "rules" and pre-concepts.
When I created this character I was worse in RL than I am now ("worse" being quite vague I know). Vaerah would be the person I wanted to be but because of [enter here many reasons] I couldn't.
Then, in this fabled oh-so-harsh and oh-so-dark game I have met a big number of very nice, very helpful guys. Just by playing decently nice, honest and straightforward, even in EvE I learned the positives outmatched the negatives by large. So why not stop playing decently nice, honest and straightforward but be decently nice, honest and straightforward? So here I went, and had immeasurable good results in game until one day I asked myself: "It worked for RL trading: I applied the concepts learned in EvE and it worked in RL and made me RL money. So why not copy and paste behavior as well, since the results looks so sweet?" Did that, tried steering from my ugly-ass RL attitude and... guess what... not all but a portion of guys (old and new acquaintances) changed their attitude towards me, for the better.
So, I started with RL <> EvE and incredibly enough, I found inspiration to become better in RL from EvE players.
So, "Can someone become a new person?" => Yes, at least in part.
My many thanks to EvE and the many players who made me grow and improve. In the face of the cold, harsh universe.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion The Bloc
68
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Posted - 2015.01.04 06:24:59 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:If you'd do it in EVE, you'd do it in real life. If you'd do it in real life, you'd do it in EVE. Oh yeah I just hopped into my spaceship this morning and got blown the hell up, my pod got wrecked as well and then I woke up in my goo. Today was a pretty average day.
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Yea, I just woke up today and decided to shoot some random guys while the police were watching. Too bad they didn't have much stuff on them. |
Josef Djugashvilis
2854
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Posted - 2015.01.04 13:52:22 -
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In the sand...
This is not a signature.
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.04 14:21:40 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:[quote=Paranoid Loyd]Would you steal? Would you lie about it later? Would you destroy property out of spite? Sure, big huge things get you caught...but in a way where you wouldn't get caught?
I return wallets with everything in it and phones IRL. In game, I will not blink taking your jet can full of ore you just spent two hours filling up while not even needing the isk. Those look like very different sets of morals to me...
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Tear Jar
New Order Logistics CODE.
269
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Posted - 2015.01.04 14:26:55 -
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Xerxes Fehrnah wrote:My question for you is what code of conduct or rules do you obey in-game that are not required by the game mechanics? When I started Eve, I tried to be nice to people the way I am in real life... helping people... basically a big boy scout. These days... I will still help a newbie, but I find myself losing concern for my public image as a good guy.
The Code of the New Order of High Sec, as all high sec players should. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
229
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Posted - 2015.01.04 15:33:54 -
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Mostly Good... Mostly.
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ˝
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Serene Repose
2006
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Posted - 2015.01.04 17:01:32 -
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Tear Jar wrote:Xerxes Fehrnah wrote:My question for you is what code of conduct or rules do you obey in-game that are not required by the game mechanics? When I started Eve, I tried to be nice to people the way I am in real life... helping people... basically a big boy scout. These days... I will still help a newbie, but I find myself losing concern for my public image as a good guy.
The Code of the New Order of High Sec, as all high sec players should. They're like ants. Wait around long enough they'll find every crumb.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
910
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Posted - 2015.01.04 19:56:55 -
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There are certain circumstances in which I will not steal your mom's anal virginity whilst I repeatedly dunk your pod. I don't do this to total noobs (unless said mother is exceptionally hot).
I don't know what's up with this amateurish faux-philosophy hour here, but then I realized that Vyl was writing a lot of it and remembered that it is all pretty much too worthless to bother with.
But yeah, I pretty much draw the line somewhere after seducing your mom in real life and posting the pics online.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Shut up, Anslo. --everyone
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Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
85
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Posted - 2015.01.04 20:20:00 -
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1) I won't screw my corp or corpies over 2) I won't screw over friends 3) I'll help nubes
Other than that fair game. I have no problem doing something to someone being stupid, like auto piloting. |
Chal0ner
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
90
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Posted - 2015.01.04 20:38:03 -
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Xerxes Fehrnah wrote:My question for you is what code of conduct or rules do you obey in-game that are not required by the game mechanics? When I started Eve, I tried to be nice to people the way I am in real life... helping people... basically a big boy scout. These days... I will still help a newbie, but I find myself losing concern for my public image as a good guy.
Scamming ... never done it - never will. Others might do if they like.
Suicide ganking .... tried killling miners (on my pvp-er) in high sec, didn't work - it's like killing my newbie character. Others might do it they want but I don't have it in me.
Otherwise, if people suffer in the game it's because Darwin or that they are new and inexperienced. If the latter they'll learn. Still I'll help them survive in the game if I can =) (This all prolly is what happens having lived in low/null sec most of my game time) |
AeonOfTime
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
87
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Posted - 2015.01.04 20:50:51 -
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I follow the same moral guidelines that I follow in RL. Personally I have never been able to take on the role of a bad guy in games, it simply fails to be fun. EVE being a social game, I found it gratifying to create long lasting friendships based on my RL moral code, especially since I just have to be, well, myself. I am always nice to people, helpful (with a healthy dose of paranoia), and I do not gank / scam / grief, or engage in any of the shadier playstyles. That is where I draw the line, even though I know that I do not have to. Does it bother me? Not at all. It has nothing to do with my public image either: as an Internet veteran, I know how ephemereal and insubstantial it is, even more so in an MMO.
Incidentally, a few people told me over the years that I was missing out on a lot of fun game content. The thing is, contrary to what those people believe, I am already having a lot of fun playing the game my own way, even after 7 years. Sure, I have been made fun of for liking activities such as mining or mission running. I learned how to ignore such opinions though, and stick to the friends I have which do not judge or try to convert me to their playstyles. Makes everything a lot easier.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2111
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Posted - 2015.01.04 21:28:43 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:If you'd do it in EVE, you'd do it in real life.
So you're saying that if an actor lands a role in a movie as a terrorist, they're also a terrorist in real life? After all, we're just actors in an interactive show that runs 23.5/7.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
34
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:23:41 -
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Trolling, flaming, baiting etc have become the new norm of internet life. I have done it too, all the way back to USENET days.
I was being my usual asshat self on YT, and happened to flame on a video that a girl posted. I posted some rather rude and disrespectful comments, along with about a hundred other people who denigrated and demoralized this person. About a week or so later, I received a private message from the parents of said girl, who (without judgement) informed me that their daughter had committed suicide, and would not be replying to any of the comments.
Hammer to the head time, I have changed how I conduct myself in the online world. Words do hurt, do cause damage. Anyone denying said comment really should log off and go to watch the kids play at the park for a while and ponder what it means to be a human being.
I appreciate what EvE is, what it allows you to do. But always remember that these are people playing. If you RP the bad-guy, be able and willing to acknowledge your role as being such. It is just a role. Allow yourself, as a person, the ability to step away from that when it is required. Don't ever accept the situation where 'everyone else was doing it too' is an excuse.
Now go blow some **** stuff up. |
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
197
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:30:50 -
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Themanfromdalmontee wrote:1) I won't screw my corp or corpies over 2) I won't screw over friends 3) I'll help nubes
Other than that fair game. I have no problem doing something to someone being stupid, like auto piloting.
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