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DEVILSENIGMA Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:12:00 - [1] While I was going through Coldfront's Item Database I found something really interesting. ECM-style Warp scramblers. Four Different types of Warp Scramblers - Ion, Fusion, Magpulse & Plasma. Here are some examples: Ion Warp Scrambler Fusion Warp Scrambler There are 2 more, just look em up. Each Warp Scrambler has its own strength just like the ECM-Jammers have. e.g the Fusion Warp Scrambler has the following strengths: Fusion Strength 6 points Ion Strength 2 points Magpulse Strength 2 points Plasma Strength 2 points Similar values for the other warp scramblers. Now of course if there are Fusion Warp Scramblers, there has to be Fusion Core Stabilizer I. e.g. Strengths are: Fusion Propulsion Strength 0 points Ion Propulsion Strength 6 points Magpulse Propulsion Strength 0 points Plasma Propulsion Strength 0 points There are other similar WCS as well. What do you guys think of such a change? It looks like these racial scramblers will match up against predefined Propulsion strength values given to ships and the WCS will serve to boost them (just like the ECM strengths). This may or may not make it to production but it gives a good idea of where CCP is heading. And more importantly, will this finally shut up the WCS whiners? --- Eve Database \| Coldfront Community Coldfront Come in and feel the chill
lofty29 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:13:00 - [2] I personally think that theyre a brilliant idea, provided there's a multispectral one. --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you. I pwnz0r your sig, muahaha - Tirg Noes i got beat by a girl >.< - Xorus
Tab1tha	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:17:00 - [3] Cool

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:21:00 - [4] I think this is part of something that was a proposed change, but never got implemented - since the various races ships got those stats (Ion Propulsion Strenght etc.) after some patch, but afaik nothing more ever happended. I'm going by my memory though :) eve-crc.net \| forum rules \|[email protected]

DEVILSENIGMA Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov I think this is part of something that was a proposed change, but never got implemented - since the various races ships got those stats (Ion Propulsion Strenght etc.) after some patch, but afaik nothing more ever happended. I'm going by my memory though :) As far as I know these additions to the db are recent, since I've been using the db a lot. I haven't seem them before. So I guess they had a change of mind, or had a "Eureka" moment. --- Eve Database \| Coldfront Community Coldfront Come in and feel the chill
Nicholas Barker Caldari Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:29:00 - [6] now when a lone ceptor scrambles my BS, i just have to allign, and wait for him to lose scramble, then i warp. Aslong as they can't kill me before his scramble fails i win. ------------------------------------- Xelios and his uber skillz
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:32:00 - [7] This stuff is old, and stupid. You shouldn't necro old design proposals :[ Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.

Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:41:00 - [8] Originally by: DigitalCommunist This stuff is old, and stupid. You shouldn't necro old design proposals :[ It sounds like a good idea to me and not stupid. Care to back your judgement with reasons? [right] Email Us \| http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/forumrules.asp[b][beige]Forum Rules[/beig

Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Eldo Davip Originally by: DigitalCommunist This stuff is old, and stupid. You shouldn't necro old design proposals :[ It sounds like a good idea to me and not stupid. Care to back your judgement with reasons? FIGHT! lotto Maybe not herpes, but I'll give ya goat!-Tirg
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:52:00 - [10] Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 16/09/2006 00:53:33 Originally by: Eldo Davip Originally by: DigitalCommunist This stuff is old, and stupid. You shouldn't necro old design proposals :[ It sounds like a good idea to me and not stupid. Care to back your judgement with reasons? I retort with the letters E, C, and M. Originally by: Samirol FIGHT! Fixed! Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.

Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:56:00 - [11] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 16/09/2006 00:53:33 Originally by: Eldo Davip Originally by: DigitalCommunist This stuff is old, and stupid. You shouldn't necro old design proposals :[ It sounds like a good idea to me and not stupid. Care to back your judgement with reasons? I retort with the letters E, C, and M. ECM has gotten a lot better than the way it was before. YOu can clearly specialize in it, which you couldn't do before. Email Us \| Forum Rules \| Website

DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:57:00 - [12] Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 16/09/2006 01:00:48 You cheat with your secret editing. :\ Quote: ECM has gotten a lot better than the way it was before. YOu can clearly specialize in it, which you couldn't do before. That doesn't make it better, it just makes it less open to abuse by low skillpoint alts. Kinda like the current state of missiles. If ECM worked on the principle of probability, then sure. But one cycle is one fight is one chance. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.

Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.16 01:07:00 - [13] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Originally by: Eldo Davip ECM has gotten a lot better than the way it was before. Care to back your judgement with reasons? Well for one its not as easy to just stack up ** and have a 100% success rate. Now its more balanced. People counted on activating enough modules on a target for and on/off effect for jamming. That's why Caldari were so useful, they had FoF missiles. Now you can have specialized players in a specific field (for example using multiple jammers) to distribute the attacks better on multiple targets based on success. In fleet fights you can choose suitable targets based on range and defences. Email Us \| Forum Rules \| Website**


Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.16 01:12:00 - [14] Also, now that we have ships like Interdictors, Arazu, Lachesis . Warp Scrambling can be a similar specialist field. Email Us \| Forum Rules \| Website

DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.16 01:20:00 - [15] You could stack up for 100% success rate on both sides of the coin, but that doesn't make it a bad thing. The more extreme your setup, the more you gimped yourself in other aspects. A Scorpion could jam you up real nice, but it would struggle with everything else. When a Dominix, Raven or Tempest jam you up, your tank will fail a lot faster. Losing fights because your virtual dice rolled the virtual snake-eye is not an indicator of balance, and it works the other way around too. Losing targets because the Divine will of stackless python decided it so is bleh.. The ships you mention are band-aid fixes meant to aleviate the WCS situation. Preventing escape is not a specialist's fantasy, its the most fundamental thing in PVP. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.09.16 01:32:00 - [16] So if im gallente and put a ion stab on, then that means it will take 7 points to fully scram me? Or will I be scrammed because my fusion, mag, and plasma = 0 and the fusion scram has 2 points of all of those? In other words, would a fusion scram be able to scram a ship with a fusion WCS? Since the scram is 6/2/2/2 and the wcs is 6/0/0/0? Click above for my killboard stats.
turnschuh Eye of God	Posted - 2006.09.16 01:35:00 - [17] 6 point WCS? gimme gimme
Phrixus Zephyr Singularity.	Posted - 2006.09.16 02:09:00 - [18] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Losing fights because your virtual dice rolled the virtual snake-eye is not an indicator of balance, and it works the other way around too. Losing targets because the Divine will of stackless python decided it so is bleh.. Having run into ships fielding ECM that have no place doing so in the last 24 hours i can't help but agree. Im in half a mind to put this in a sig.
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.09.16 02:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Kirex So if im gallente and put a ion stab on, then that means it will take 7 points to fully scram me? Or will I be scrammed because my fusion, mag, and plasma = 0 and the fusion scram has 2 points of all of those? In other words, would a fusion scram be able to scram a ship with a fusion WCS? Since the scram is 6/2/2/2 and the wcs is 6/0/0/0? it would be chance based lotto Maybe not herpes, but I'll give ya goat!-Tirg
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.16 08:19:00 - [20] Edited by: Avon on 16/09/2006 08:20:14 Originally by: Eldo Davip Originally by: DigitalCommunist This stuff is old, and stupid. You shouldn't necro old design proposals :[ It sounds like a good idea to me and not stupid. Care to back your judgement with reasons? Chance based anything is BAD. Scrambling changes were dropped because they sucked. Then again, maybe CCP were horribly wrong, and you could do a better job? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Helmut 314 Amarr J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2006.09.16 08:22:00 - [21] Why is an ISD moderator discussing warpscrambling on the forums ? ________________________________ Trying is the first step of failure - Homer J Simpson
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.16 08:24:00 - [22] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 16/09/2006 00:53:33 Originally by: Eldo Davip Originally by: DigitalCommunist This stuff is old, and stupid. You shouldn't necro old design proposals :[ It sounds like a good idea to me and not stupid. Care to back your judgement with reasons? I retort with the letters E, C, and M. Hear that? That's the sound of inties losing damage bonuses and getting + scram strength bonuses. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.16 08:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Helmut 314 Why is an ISD moderator discussing warpscrambling on the forums ? Why shouldn't they? They play the game too. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.16 08:38:00 - [24] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/09/2006 08:42:00 Remove multispectrals PLEASE. There is no enjoyment for either side when clicking a button means victory or defeat. As for making the wcs/disruptor thing racial, im not sure why this is a good idea? Seems to me that its a solo piracy nerf, and force people to blob together with more tacklers to have a good chance of keeping someone in the fight, no? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Rezerwowy Pies Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.16 09:16:00 - [25] Edited by: Rezerwowy Pies on 16/09/2006 09:21:40 Stabilizers should have more power than scramblers, for example: stab in low slots with +6 scrambler (and other stuff) in t2 versions in med slots with max -4 And other thing: Fusion, Ion etc are a engine type, but powersource for all engines is the same on all ships (Warp Core). So add new scramblers with ion, fusion etc... are a little insane idea. -- Why some admins can't do that

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