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CCP Habakuk C C P C C P Alliance 1141	Posted - 2015.01.08 16:32:59 - [1] - Quote Hi, Our DB specialists CCP DeNormalized and CCP Creber Cattus worked on a small side project to make it possible for you to copy skills from TQ to Singularity. This is mostly for those, who are not using Singularity as often but want to use their current skills. I have hooked this up to a modified version of the moveme bot for now, so that you can test it out. We are not really sure yet if we include this permanently into the moveme bot or if we find a different solution. For using this prototype please join the channel "CopySkills" on Singularity. Details: This copies skills from a nightly snapshot of Tranquility to Singularity. Only fully trained skill levels are copied, and only if the skill was completed and the character logged in before the snapshot was taken. The script should NOT be reducing skill levels, which were trained on Singularity - but we are not promising that this works in all cases. Your mass test SP should also be safe. The script is only working, when CCP Habakuk3 is in the channel "CopySkills" and it will disabled in the night from ~1:00 to ~3:00. Usage: Write following into the channel: CopySkillsFromTQ Disclaimer: This is only a prototype and we might remove it again at any time if it causes any problems. Please do not spam the command for the case that it causes errors or high server load (it shouldn't, but who knows). Please give feedback in this forum thread, both if it works not as intended or if you have any suggestions. CCP Habakuk \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Gridlock Bug reporting \| Mass Testing


CCP DeNormalized C C P C C P Alliance 177	Posted - 2015.01.08 16:40:47 - [2] - Quote \o/ Hope you guys get some use out of this! CCP DeNormalized DBA Virtual World Operations

Arctramiss Cryptologix Inc. Bounty Hunter Alliance 0	Posted - 2015.01.08 16:48:14 - [3] - Quote But how will it work with the Free skill points we have put into skills on Sisi? will we be able to re-locate them after copying our skills?
Salpun Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects 818	Posted - 2015.01.08 16:50:56 - [4] - Quote Script worked and worked for others while lurking in the channel but because of long skill queue nothing seemed to change. How hard would it be to compare skills and say how many you updated and how much skill points where reallocated or reset. If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide See you around the universe.

CCP Habakuk C C P C C P Alliance 1142	Posted - 2015.01.08 16:52:06 - [5] - Quote Arctramiss wrote: But how will it work with the Free skill points we have put into skills on Sisi? will we be able to re-locate them after copying our skills? Free skill points, which you spent on skills, will stay spent. CCP Habakuk \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Gridlock Bug reporting \| Mass Testing

Arctramiss Cryptologix Inc. Bounty Hunter Alliance 4	Posted - 2015.01.08 16:57:27 - [6] - Quote CCP Habakuk wrote: Arctramiss wrote: But how will it work with the Free skill points we have put into skills on Sisi? will we be able to re-locate them after copying our skills? Free skill points, which you spent on skills, will stay spent. I have spent my free skill points in the Ore Freighter skill (have it to lvl 5 on sisi), so if i copy my skills i will have no Ore freighter skill and no new free skill points?

CCP DeNormalized C C P C C P Alliance 178	Posted - 2015.01.08 16:59:38 - [7] - Quote anything you have on SISI will not change, you will only be granted skills you have on TQ that are not currently on SISI (or so the plan goes) CCP DeNormalized DBA Virtual World Operations

Arctramiss Cryptologix Inc. Bounty Hunter Alliance 4	Posted - 2015.01.08 17:01:42 - [8] - Quote CCP DeNormalized wrote: anything you have on SISI will not change, you will only be granted skills you have on TQ that are not currently on SISI (or so the plan goes) thats pretty cool, gonna give it a try then.
Arctramiss Cryptologix Inc. Bounty Hunter Alliance 4	Posted - 2015.01.08 17:05:45 - [9] - Quote Worked perfectly! still got the skills i have trained on sisi + got the skills i have trained on TQ. Please let this be permanent!
Amak Boma Dragon Factory 56	Posted - 2015.01.08 17:56:48 - [10] - Quote trained on sisi exhumers , used the service. then wasnt able to board exhumer ships untill relog.
Altrue Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 1546	Posted - 2015.01.08 19:37:57 - [11] - Quote Its cool to see you guys doing stuff to ease our way of life on Sisi :) If don't know if it was that important, but good job regardless! Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
ShadowandLight DeathWatch Milita Soviet-Union 314	Posted - 2015.01.08 19:57:55 - [12] - Quote Huge change for making SISI a more "real time" test server, thanks a ton guys! EVE Online and Multiboxing: My position against the upcoming changes and why Multiboxing is good for EVE and its player economy
Zappity Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 1712	Posted - 2015.01.08 20:05:14 - [13] - Quote Thanks! I am a regularly irregular user of SiSi and have often wanted sure a feature. I don't spend enough time there to update my skills properly and (of course) always want to test recently completed skills. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
KIller Wabbit The Scope Gallente Federation 851	Posted - 2015.01.08 20:06:24 - [14] - Quote Rockin'! Thanks for making it so much easier for us to help you! Would/could this same script update Sisi for recently (re)subscribed toons? CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
Baneken Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 451	Posted - 2015.01.08 20:48:33 - [15] - Quote I sure hope this works better then your spelling. :P
Heruta Skash Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:16:14 - [16] - Quote Did not test yet, but i'm sure i will! Great feature. It really will improve player experience regarding testing their fits/strategies, and i sure hope it will bring more people to SiSi!
Aerandir Elladan Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:35:19 - [17] - Quote While this is awesome, any chance of a tool to pull new chars? or a fresh mirror. I simply don't exist on sisi.
Desert Ice78 Gryphons of the Western Wind 444	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:37:00 - [18] - Quote You guys in the Test Server end of things deserve a bloody kiss. Said with an entirely straight face too. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
666Devious Sinister Elite Supremacy. 4	Posted - 2015.01.09 00:48:28 - [19] - Quote Can you please do away with the script and channel and just give everyone 200 million redistributable skill points. Make every ones life easier and actually let people test things? P.S. have every mod in the game available on market too! (hard to test when you cant use the mods)
Akiko Sciuto Wankers and Nerdy Gamers 13	Posted - 2015.01.09 00:49:41 - [20] - Quote Awesome, this is a really nice quality of life improvement. Thanks guys!
Ric Darn Bitslix 12	Posted - 2015.01.09 05:42:09 - [21] - Quote That sounds really cool!
Jon Dekker Dekker Corporation 32	Posted - 2015.01.09 05:43:41 - [22] - Quote Don't mean to hate here, just curious - what purpose are skills on SISI?
Salpun Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects 819	Posted - 2015.01.09 05:49:57 - [23] - Quote Jon Dekker wrote: Don't mean to hate here, just curious - what purpose are skills on SISI? The fact that you have to train on Sisi to get the skills means that if you forget to restart your skills after a mirror or a DB sweep you can be very behind on skills compared to TQ. Skills mean what ships you can fly and some people want to test ships above what they skill on TQ so they skill diffrent skills. If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide See you around the universe.
Tatsuj Khan Black Scare 2	Posted - 2015.01.09 08:20:22 - [24] - Quote Nifty and useful tool... thank you! However, I question the limitation to "Only fully trained skills" CCP Habakuk wrote: Hi, Details: This copies skills from a nightly snapshot of Tranquility to Singularity. Only fully trained skill levels are copied, ... . Why this limitation? Could the copy be made to all newly trained levels or if not, at least all level 4 skills too? The reason is that it's worth testing whether or not it's worth a substantial time to level up to 5. For example, I want to try out recommended frigates and fits for the burner missions especially at level 4 skills and test if they are sufficient for the job. Please consider this suggestion. TY.
Salpun Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects 819	Posted - 2015.01.09 08:23:17 - [25] - Quote Tatsuj Khan wrote: Nifty and useful tool... thank you! However, I question the limitation to "Only fully trained skills" CCP Habakuk wrote: Hi, Details: This copies skills from a nightly snapshot of Tranquility to Singularity. Only fully trained skill levels are copied, ... . Why this limitation? Could the copy be made to all newly trained levels or if not, at least all level 4 skills too? The reason is that it's worth testing whether or not it's worth a substantial time to level up to 5. For example, I want to try out recommended frigates and fits for the burner missions especially at level 4 skills and test if they are sufficient for the job. Please consider this suggestion. TY. Fully skilled means not actively being trained. those level 4 and 5's will trainsfer If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide See you around the universe.
Dramiel Specialist Epic Woah Industries Guardians of the Morrigan 0	Posted - 2015.01.09 10:44:57 - [26] - Quote My character still hasn't been transferred to my current account on SiSi. Will look forward to using this.
NukeTheSite FromOrbit Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.09 12:32:35 - [27] - Quote It worked! For trying stuff out with those new skills that you have just acquired, this is awesome!
Max Croxford The Rats Are Coming 10	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:03:50 - [28] - Quote 666Devious wrote: Can you please do away with the script and channel and just give everyone 200 million redistributable skill points. Make every ones life easier and actually let people test things? P.S. have every mod in the game available on market too! (hard to test when you cant use the mods) I like how you keep using the word "test", but what testing would be done if absolutely everybody had enough SP to pretty much do everything, other than to "test" screwing around in ships you're too bad to fly already or with mass test SP. And as well as wanting the SP to be able to fly every single thing you want with pretty much max skills, which would make people testing skill training obsolete, you want every single mod on eve to be seeded, again, what would be tested if everyone is going about in full officer fit cruisers, none is the answer. Why would you seed the most expensive and OP modules in the game when most people will be using t2 or t1, which need the testing the most as they will have the most impact if there is a bug. All in all, please stop begging CCP to hand you everything on a silver plater with a glass of expensive wine.
Harmiani Kafshaz ARCK 0	Posted - 2015.01.09 22:22:56 - [29] - Quote Just tried, and worked like a charm :D Thank you !
Tatsuj Khan Black Scare 3	Posted - 2015.01.10 05:17:10 - [30] - Quote Thank you Salpun for clearing up my misunderstanding. All my skills have been easily and quickly updated - very nice tool. Thank you Dev! Now if only only I can find and buy deadspace and faction modules/ammo to fit my frigates for the Burner missions. I just can't find them!

CCP DeNormalized C C P C C P Alliance 187	Posted - 2015.01.10 21:54:13 - [31] - Quote glad everyone is enjoying this! CCP DeNormalized DBA Virtual World Operations

Arctramiss Cryptologix Inc. Bounty Hunter Alliance 5	Posted - 2015.01.10 21:57:21 - [32] - Quote CCP DeNormalized wrote: glad everyone is enjoying this! How can you not love this?! ;) train one skill on TQ and another skill on sisi. Copy skills and it will be much faster to train up skills for sisi
KIller Wabbit The Scope Gallente Federation 853	Posted - 2015.01.10 22:23:49 - [33] - Quote Salpun wrote: Jon Dekker wrote: Don't mean to hate here, just curious - what purpose are skills on SISI? The fact that you have to train on Sisi to get the skills means that if you forget to restart your skills after a mirror or a DB sweep you can be very behind on skills compared to TQ. Skills mean what ships you can fly and some people want to test ships above what they skill on TQ so they skill diffrent skills. And if you stack TQ SP with Mass Testing SisI SP - you have a chance to try something out on Sisi before you commit to it on TQ CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
Janeca Penken Reliables Inc DARKNESS. 0	Posted - 2015.01.12 14:06:34 - [34] - Quote It worked Like a charm :D
James Cranakor AirHogs Zulu People 3	Posted - 2015.01.13 15:05:43 - [35] - Quote is it possible to update characters? I have bought a character, but he doesnt show up on sisi
Dave kazkade Serenity Collective 8	Posted - 2015.01.18 19:22:37 - [36] - Quote Finally, I dont have to wait months for all my skills to be ported from tq to sisi, devs are doing the work of gods. \o/
Agent Unknown Night Theifs DamnedNation 5	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:36:21 - [37] - Quote James Cranakor wrote: is it possible to update characters? I have bought a character, but he doesnt show up on sisi Those only appear after a new mirror. CCP said on a couple threads that it may be another few weeks before that happens.
Agent Unknown Night Theifs DamnedNation 5	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:38:30 - [38] - Quote Max Croxford wrote: 666Devious wrote: Can you please do away with the script and channel and just give everyone 200 million redistributable skill points. Make every ones life easier and actually let people test things? P.S. have every mod in the game available on market too! (hard to test when you cant use the mods) I like how you keep using the word "test", but what testing would be done if absolutely everybody had enough SP to pretty much do everything, other than to "test" screwing around in ships you're too bad to fly already or with mass test SP. And as well as wanting the SP to be able to fly every single thing you want with pretty much max skills, which would make people testing skill training obsolete, you want every single mod on eve to be seeded, again, what would be tested if everyone is going about in full officer fit cruisers, none is the answer. Why would you seed the most expensive and OP modules in the game when most people will be using t2 or t1, which need the testing the most as they will have the most impact if there is a bug. All in all, please stop begging CCP to hand you everything on a silver plater with a glass of expensive wine. I was around when they did a "All V" test on SiSi with everything seeded on the market in order to stuff as many players on the server as possible to test something (I think it was new hardware...this was before tidi). It was a horror show just like everyone said it would be. Contrary to the belief that people would actually "test" features, a lot of people flooded the server to play with titans and break all sorts of rules for fun.
Musashi Date 58	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:52:19 - [39] - Quote Just tried this and it took around ~20 seconds to update. I wonder which part of TQ is stressed by doing these downloads? Mayhaps we should try to do a stress-test on the next Mass Test, if it does affect some part of TQ by any chance? I've been trying to have mates hop into sisi in the past, and one of their pet peeves is the late skills compared to TQ. Hopefully this will let them test the things they want to use faster (eg. TQ training for hulls, sisi training for weapons/mods.)
Mister Ripley 3	Posted - 2015.01.23 02:44:50 - [40] - Quote Worked like a charm. Thank you!

CCP DeNormalized C C P C C P Alliance 195	Posted - 2015.01.23 13:11:39 - [41] - Quote Musashi Date wrote: Just tried this and it took around ~20 seconds to update. I wonder which part of TQ is stressed by doing these downloads? Mayhaps we should try to do a stress-test on the next Mass Test, if it does affect some part of TQ by any chance? This doesn't stress TQ at all... in fact it doesn't even connect to TQ! This hits a copy of the TQ DB that we use for reporting purposes (refreshed every day) CCP DeNormalized DBA Virtual World Operations

Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 8616	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:44:21 - [42] - Quote just used it, worked well. i like it. cheers. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Ransu Asanari Powder and Ball Alchemists Union Mordus Angels 207	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:05:23 - [43] - Quote This is a great feature, thanks for setting it up. We frequently run training sessions on Singularity, and we'd time them around the server mirrors so our new members would have the most up to date skills to practice. Now we can schedule them anytime, and just force an update of skills from Tranquility. Powder and Ball Alchemists Union - "Turning Lead into Gold since 2008"
Tim Nering R3d Fire Low-Class 30	Posted - 2015.01.27 06:59:07 - [44] - Quote pls dont ever remove this... this is just... wonderful
Zaryte Sons-of-Liberty 53	Posted - 2015.01.27 17:17:44 - [45] - Quote I'm getting the confirmation message in the channel but my skills don't seem to be updating, been trying to about 3 days now. :( Minmatar cruiser 5 completed on TQ over a week ago now, still not been copied over to Sisi. Any ideas?
Pheynix Enoch Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2015.01.30 16:38:54 - [46] - Quote I've been trying to use this feature, I've never seen Habakuk3 in the channel, so that might explain why it never works. I participated in the Mass Test last night, I was told the feature was still up, but I might be doing it wrong, or simply not doing it at the right place/time? On SiSi, I join channel "CopySkills" and I type both "/CopySkillsFromTQ" and "CopySkillsFromTQ" (without slash), to no avail. Any advice? Are there particular times when Habakuk3 is more likely to be in channel?

CCP Habakuk C C P C C P Alliance 1206	Posted - 2015.01.30 17:21:40 - [47] - Quote Pheynix Enoch wrote: I've been trying to use this feature, I've never seen Habakuk3 in the channel, so that might explain why it never works. I participated in the Mass Test last night, I was told the feature was still up, but I might be doing it wrong, or simply not doing it at the right place/time? On SiSi, I join channel "CopySkills" and I type both "/CopySkillsFromTQ" and "CopySkillsFromTQ" (without slash), to no avail. Any advice? Are there particular times when Habakuk3 is more likely to be in channel? It is up again now. During the weekend it will probably be down for most of the time, as I am not at home. On Monday we will probably bring this feature into the next stage, so that it works without me being logged in. I'll post more information then. CCP Habakuk \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Gridlock Bug reporting \| Mass Testing


CCP Habakuk C C P C C P Alliance 1206	Posted - 2015.01.30 17:27:29 - [48] - Quote Zaryte wrote: I'm getting the confirmation message in the channel but my skills don't seem to be updating, been trying to about 3 days now. :( Minmatar cruiser 5 completed on TQ over a week ago now, still not been copied over to Sisi. Any ideas? Hmmm, did you login on TQ after the skill training completed? On the day after the login it should work. Skill training is only fully completed when a character logs in. CCP Habakuk \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Gridlock Bug reporting \| Mass Testing

Pheynix Enoch Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2015.01.30 18:16:42 - [49] - Quote CCP Habakuk wrote: It is up again now. During the weekend it will probably be down for most of the time, as I am not at home. On Monday we will probably bring this feature into the next stage, so that it works without me being logged in. I'll post more information then. Right on, if I can't get it tonight, I guess I'll just wait until Monday+ and use the new version.

CCP Habakuk C C P C C P Alliance 1208	Posted - 2015.02.02 13:27:41 - [50] - Quote Hi again, We managed to implement this feature now in the same way as /moveme. New usage: Write following into any chat channel on Singularity: /copyskills The command reports back how many skills it copied (there is currently a known issue with this as it might report too many skills). We are still using the same nightly snap-shot from TQ for this, so it copies only those skills which were marked as completed on TQ on the previous day (and you need to login on TQ to make sure that the skill is marked as completed). CCP Habakuk \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Gridlock Bug reporting \| Mass Testing

Kaaeliaa The Vendunari End of Life 67182	Posted - 2015.02.03 09:49:14 - [51] - Quote CCP Habakuk wrote: Hi again, We managed to implement this feature now in the same way as /moveme. New usage: Write following into any chat channel on Singularity: /copyskills The command reports back how many skills it copied (there is currently a known issue with this as it might report too many skills). We are still using the same nightly snap-shot from TQ for this, so it copies only those skills which were marked as completed on TQ on the previous day (and you need to login on TQ to make sure that the skill is marked as completed). You beautiful person, you! Worked perfectly for me; thanks for making this happen. >Official LAGL Cosplayer >Princess of Sibyyl's Pillow Fort >Blocks for the block list, ignores for the ignore throne!
Larry Beacon GOP Industries 1	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:26:46 - [52] - Quote I really appreciate this service. Thank you so much.
Destiny Dain2 Your Destiny Corporation 0	Posted - 2015.02.14 21:38:15 - [53] - Quote Works perfectly. Best service on Singularity. Thanks CCP for all you do for us.
Zamory Alpha Centauri Corp 0	Posted - 2015.02.16 14:39:37 - [54] - Quote I just went on my SISI account & used the "/copyskills" command, and it indeed said something similiar to "One skill has been updated". But what happened was, that my skill go RE-SET ?.. I just lost about half of the time i've been training on it, instead of it updating to where it's at on my TQ account.. Is there a way i can un-do this ?
uhnboy ghost retard hills 30	Posted - 2015.03.28 00:10:37 - [55] - Quote so i just want to ask if i found a bugg/exploit.. lost a tengu on sisi today and lost sp, then i used the copyskills and got the lost sp back in 2s. it this okey? its the test server so i guess its okey but just wanted to be sure. pic: http://i.imgur.com/zayHFZd.png
Tuttomenui II Aliastra Gallente Federation 280	Posted - 2015.03.30 06:11:03 - [56] - Quote Some how I am getting some of my partial trained skills given to me fully trained tot he level they are partially trained for even though you claim it only copies fully skilled levels. I also noticed something with the mass test SP being applied. If i ended up with not enough to really do anything useful I just threw it at a skill to flush it and it wasn't enough for the next level but it gave me the next level anyways. Possibility of abuse if this works by using 1sp out of the 2mil on a skill to get it leveled, the 2 mil could turn into a whole lot more than that.
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 4204	Posted - 2015.03.30 11:14:39 - [57] - Quote Reporting your own post to the forum moderators in the hope that it gets Dev attention faster is rather futile, as we are not Devs. I am convinced that this thread is monitored by the Devs that are working on this SiSi feature, so posting any bug and or hiccup in aforementioned feature here should be more than sufficient to get the message across. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

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