A ship that boosts stats that is 100% safe (links) is ok but someone sitting afk cloaked doing nothing is an issue?

Its a sad day in new Eden.

disable local chat and local numbers to the person cloaked...

I think the problem is risk averse players who should have never left high sec in the 1st place, not some dude with a cloak on.

Let the cloaker cloak but don't let them see local OR D-SCAN.

maybe give probes a set time before they explode if the deploying ship is cloaked, like 20 minutes or something

WH residents dont cruise around in blissful ignorance that a cloak might be in system. They are constantly prepapred for it. The difference is that in WH space you cant hot drop on people. The only way to bring in help is if its already there or sitting close to the WH entrance.

it's been said already that people would become more unwilling to undock due to the constant fear of losing a high end asset with no warning at all.

I think we all understand that WH space is not null. I dont live in WH's, so my experience is highly limited. But from my understanding, there are no cheap ships in WH space. The level of difficulty for running sites, even at a C1 is more difficult than your average null site. Entrances and exits to a WH are limited and can be rolled so there is a finite amount of people that can suddenly attack you.

I think that if null were to have the same style of local as a WH, you would see most people simply move to high sec. The mechanics of the areas are too different to make fair comparisons.

I'm just going to leave this here:

CCP Fozzie on EVE Down Under Show

Take a listen (this bit is around 1:12:00), there's a short but important note on AFK Cloaking. Here's the TLDR:


Can we close this thread now?

I do find that rather amazing. CCP is ok with a broke mechanic.

...local chat is not the problem with being immune to hunting while cloaked, the cloaking mechanics that allow it are the cause of that problem.

But have you considered what would happen to hotdrops if local changed to become like WH space? In fact have you thought about it at all, even considering ratting without local. It's not a one way street and the lack of local will affect both sides.
I know there are many like you, that simply do not want to admit local is the root cause of many issues here. But I'm afraid there is no getting around it.

So yes it does have logic, you're simply not applying it fully.

How about we just completely screw this awesome game that we have invested so much time and money into and just remove LOCAL all together in High/Low & Nullsec.

While CCP is at it they can remove the ability to assign drones to any other player. Actually just REMOVE drones/fighters/bombers from the game as they are way to OP. For the people that multibox, BAN that as that is not fair for people who play with 1 account. Take ganking out of the game so that anyone in high sec cant be aggressed unless they are suspect or criminal.

Just nerf the hell out of anything that shoots past 30kms to create more brawls and you have an awesome space sandbox left after all that.

Oh no sorry you wont cause no one will want to play it if CCP keep F*@king it up!

Cheers

dude if there was no local and the ability to hotdrop it would be way OP. I know you get this intellectually, you just like to argue your side because you like to abuse it.... If local got removed we'd Have to have the ablity to find and kill cloaked players even more so than now.

with recon ships your not going get local gone and honestly your going into a known space. If you go into lowsec do you complain you can get killed ? no you go in knowing the risk. If you go into a WH you know Local wont be there and you wont be able to hotdrop. if you go into known space than your accepting the local involved with it. you go in knowingly. it kinda works as intended i think.... we need to stop perma cloaking and in this thread we will work that out. Most Vet's will admit that it's flawed game dynamic, Only people who abuse it and love the fact theres absolutely nothing you can do to counter it will say it's great..

making players cloaked have to be more proactive to gather intel isn't going ruin it for you guys, just you wont be able to AFK you'd need to move around and re cloak when possible. you still could sit for months cloaked just you'd have to be active. It would require skill and activity not lazy nothing ness Something like the post below.

Confirming no-one ever counter-drops or baits, indeed that these ideas are impossible

AFK Cloaking "increases player attrition"

Enduring implicit threats cause more players to quit the game.

Alundi et al.

Here's the thing. Being taken seriously by you et al. is not relevant.

Its relevant that the Devs know enduring implicit threats are a thing that increases player attrition.

And they know that.

Goodness you people waste time and perfectly good letters on things that do not matter.

Wormhole mechanisms that lower implicit threats to acceptable levels are going to be moved to null-sec. Which in turns allows cloakys do what ever they want for as long as they want, and allows local to be changed for that matter.

So "cold hard speculation, not idle hard facts" is really the only meaningful thing to do here. Accept as premise that this or that element is coming in from the cold paradise we know as wormholes, then see what problems and advantages it might cause.

Why are implied threats so weak in wormhole space?