I am sorry you misunderstand the role of your ship and what you have chosen to take into combat. It is not my fault that you somehow feel that a class of ships designed for stealth is also not the ultimate killing machine.

Please stop trying to make it sound like you are some poor helpless PVPer cause you have to equip a cloak on your ship.

So again, you are mistaken in your assessment that PVPers bend and PVEers dont.

Though if you feel cloak is such a hindrance to your ability to hunt PVEer's then you should have no issue with this topic at all. Who knows. Modifications to local and cloak could lead to more PVP. But you dont actually want that. You just want your nice easy kills. I keep forgetting your only interested in PVE targets.

I am sorry you misunderstand the role of your ship and what you have chosen to take into combat. It is not my fault that you somehow feel that a class of ships designed for stealth is also not the ultimate killing machine.

Please stop trying to make it sound like you are some poor helpless PVPer cause you have to equip a cloak on your ship.

So again, you are mistaken in your assessment that PVPers bend and PVEers dont.

Though if you feel cloak is such a hindrance to your ability to hunt PVEer's then you should have no issue with this topic at all. Who knows. Modifications to local and cloak could lead to more PVP. But you dont actually want that. You just want your nice easy kills. I keep forgetting your only interested in PVE targets.

The only actual "issues" are being able to indefinitely cloak without effort or while not being at your machine for intel or to serve as a bridge target for hotdrops.

PVE players have a habbit of wanting to remove any and every object and tactic that can cut into their isk/hr rather than adapt and take a hit to their income.

Nikk you're giving away your alt by having similar typing styles.

Nikk you're giving away your alt by having similar typing styles.

Look simple truth of this all is.

There is a flaw in cloak. For the most part it works fine but in situations like "AFK camping" it is and can be abused and it offers 100% immunity to any defensive actions of the people in the system with the camper. This is a flaw.

I have however seen many arguments that show that AFK cloaking can be considered an issue and that some form of change would be good.

When you find the need to resort to such accusations, it may be time to step away from the argument.

It's hardly helpful or on topic and quite frankly, a pointless accusation to make.

Nikk you're giving away your alt by having similar typing styles.

Look simple truth of this all is.

There is a flaw in cloak. For the most part it works fine but in situations like "AFK camping" it is and can be abused and it offers 100% immunity to any defensive actions of the people in the system with the camper. This is a flaw.

You can talk about balance, or local, or how cloak is a crutch or anything like that but it's all fluff.

Most everyone that has offered a change to cloak and offered a change to local as well.

I am perfectly ok with the idea of removing all intel from local by stripping away the ability to look at pilot info and removing colors from the local tab. Just names and chat. If you wish to look at a players info you need to use the computers in a station or POS.

In exchange. Either putting cloak on a timer, making a new probe to scan for stealth ship, using fuel or some of the other ideas. Friend suggested putting the cloak on a normal recycle rate, so that it's always on, but even cycle increases the cap usage. Eventually you run out of cap if you just sit around cloaked. Thought it was a pretty neat idea.

Agree or disagree. That's fine. I have yet to see an argument that proves that the state of cloak, in regards to AFK cloaking, is acceptable and should stay the way it is.

I have however seen many arguments that show that AFK cloaking can be considered an issue and that some form of change would be good.

That's how I see things and I know many others that feel the same way.

It's not a flaw, when it is brought up that you deliberately ignored the fact that cloaking devices also prohibit you from taking any actual actions as long as they are engaged.

And all of those things are from self interest carebears, who want to farm free money without risk. Such a thing should always be rejected out of hand.

I disagree with your balance ideas. Local should simply be flipped to the delay mode, like we have in w-space. Ability to hotdrop fleet on a victim and then withdraw it at will should go away. This can be achieved by adjusting jump fatigue. At this point a lone cloaked ship is much less of a danger. The cloak itself should stay as is GÇô ability to engage with circumstantial advantage is a defining property of cloaking. This changes bring null closer to the wormholes GÇô and before you say that wh corps can close their connections, remember that CCP implemented mass-based spawn distance specifically to put risk in rolling holes. I understand that certain players simply don't accept pvp and would rather move to hi-sec than accept the risk. But they should not had left hi-sec in the first place.

WH space and null are two different places. I disagree with the idea of making null more like Wh space for that reason alone. Why would you want to remove the ability to hot drop? I do agree that a cloak should have the advantage in surprise, which they currently have regardless of them being seen in local or not.

Everyone on the forums is arguing from a point of their own self interest, and I am sure some that would prefer to get free isk with no risk, however just because you dislike that style of player, it does not mean that their concerns are invalid.

The ability to hotdrop is ok. But the ability to hotdrop and then withdraw at will is not ok. Hotdropping must be a commitment GÇô also a time commitment GÇô for the attacker. Otherwise its unbalanced.

And of course null won't be like wh, because your neighbors in null don't change overnight. Neither you scan chains in null. So don't be afraid GÇô they will be different places.

As for the delayed chat. I would be ok with it. However I think the local with no colors or intel would have almost the same effect as a cloaky camper. At first people would jump every time someone came in system. After a while people would just come to accept it. Thus names would just be names and only make it into intel channels if they blew someone up.

No, after a while people would come to this thread and put another hundred pages in it. And you would see proliferation of "add color and intel to the local list"-tools. It's pointless.
Once you spent enough hours with no local you realize this isn't really that terrific reality. This is game, not job. I don't make my living in isk. I can take risk and I accept it will backfire from time to time. I consider that a better game experience.

It's not a flaw, when it is brought up that you deliberately ignored the fact that cloaking devices also prohibit you from taking any actual actions as long as they are engaged.

As for the delayed chat. I would be ok with it. However I think the local with no colors or intel would have almost the same effect as a cloaky camper. At first people would jump every time someone came in system. After a while people would just come to accept it. Thus names would just be names and only make it into intel channels if they blew someone up.

Heh. Ok, if you really think that I have some beachfront property to sell you. In Nevada.

What would change would be the frantic clicking and checking of every unfamiliar name that enters local so you can see their standings. Many people would rapidly tire of this and either go to highsec or lowsec or WH's to avoid this horrible mechanic.

Highly populated space would become a liability because of the difficulty of discovering who you were actually red to. Upgrades space would decrease in value because of the liability of having multiple people.

Not exactly a great direction for nullsec space to be headed.

Not sure I agree, however if you adjust local. That's fine. What do you do about the cloak? You cant delay local and not make a change to cloak at the same time.

The downside to an AFK cloaker is they can do nothing at all.

I'm going to need a bigger bucket, the amount of null-bear tears is excessive.
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Your illusions of safety in EVE should have been shattered years ago, no-where should you be safe, high-sec is full of suicide ganks. Low sec is full of skirmishing pirate gangs and null sec will see you pointed by an interceptor in that moment you glanced away from local chat and don't even get me started on wormholes :D

Eve is sandbox PVP, embrace it or die horribly. This game has no opt-out button, I am sorry.

I'm going to need a bigger bucket, the amount of null-bear tears is excessive.

Cloaking to gather intel is a legitimate tactic, why complain about tactical game play?