The Cloaked player go's afk for a few days people come out and when he gets around to it he uses the complacency to get a easy kill cyno'ing in 10 of his buddy's. So really the PvE has tio wait and watch while the pvp can strike when ever the opportunity comes up. So you waste days and days of a corps time for your 15 min of glory that the PvE has no idea when that is. So your wrong.

I know people are PvP'ing all they want on there main and has alts logged in cloaked. Most eve players have at least 2 accounts if not more.

And you Net profit illustration forgets to point out that the pve really doesn't have any "safe period" because you could cyno at any time so there is no safe pve period.

If you look into the concept detecting cloak in some fashion is possible and would make sense in real life terms.

If your looking for PvP you should love the idea of PvE docking up and trying to engage you PvP

Whats So Wrong with a Cloaked pilot Having to be just as proactive as the PvE? In another post i said your like the pot calling the kettle black because you say the Carebears are crying they wanna feel safe waa waaa but then your the one saying no no don't take my trolling tool away don't make me have to have any skill i wanna sit around not paying attention to anything because i got my cloak on.

There should be some skill to the cloaked pilot.

I quoted Terms from Star Trek showing that the idea that a cloaked ship is absolutely not able to be semi detected in some way is absurd.

Allowing Sov Owners to put up like " quantum beacons " that you could perform " metaphysic sweep's" to determine a general location of 20-50KM from a cloaked ship. Only able to be re-used after like a 30 Min cool down Allowing said alliance to warp and perform a physical search op?

Would make it still able to gather Intel and be undetected as to exactly where it's at it would just be a round-about location and would set the regular cloak apart of the covert-ops even more

With the game mechanics the way it is in you would be moving at a much faster travel speed with covert-ops so you should have a very good chance of not being found. You would see everyone else around you and be moving away. Also Black-op BS's would be super effective with the speed boosts.

I don't see any Dev guiding the discussion which would be a huge help to this issue. Helping advance the ideas rather than a lot of them buried under many pages of posts....

I know people are PvP'ing all they want on there main and has alts logged in cloaked. Most eve players have at least 2 accounts if not more.

And you Net profit illustration forgets to point out that the pve really doesn't have any "safe period" because you could cyno at any time so there is no safe pve period.

If you look into the concept detecting cloak in some fashion is possible and would make sense in real life terms.

If your looking for PvP you should love the idea of PvE docking up and trying to engage you PvP

You can run many accounts you own on 1 computer.... Your acting like EVE is perfect and no one has any right to change anything it's in STONE!

Everything should has a countermeasure
But AFK cloaking is not

Please, point me to the in-game effect caused by AFK cloaking that requires a counter.

The only effect AFK cloaking has is on the perception of safety due to a friendly local list. How exactly do you counter human psychology?

Please, point me to the in-game effect caused by AFK cloaking that requires a counter.

The only effect AFK cloaking has is on the perception of safety due to a friendly local list. How exactly do you counter human psychology?

Whats So Wrong with a Cloaked pilot Having to be just as proactive as the PvE? In another post i said your like the pot calling the kettle black because you say the Carebears are crying they wanna feel safe waa waaa but then your the one saying no no don't take my trolling tool away don't make me have to have any skill i wanna sit around not paying attention to anything because i got my cloak on.

There should be some skill to the cloaked pilot.

I quoted Terms from Star Trek showing that the idea that a cloaked ship is absolutely not able to be semi detected in some way is absurd.

Allowing Sov Owners to put up like " quantum beacons " that you could perform " metaphysic sweep's" to determine a general location of 20-50KM from a cloaked ship. Only able to be re-used after like a 30 Min cool down Allowing said alliance to warp and perform a physical search op?

Would make it still able to gather Intel and be undetected as to exactly where it's at it would just be a round-about location and would set the regular cloak apart of the covert-ops even more

With the game mechanics the way it is in you would be moving at a much faster travel speed with covert-ops so you should have a very good chance of not being found. You would see everyone else around you and be moving away. Also Black-op BS's would be super effective with the speed boosts.

I don't see any Dev guiding the discussion which would be a huge help to this issue. Helping advance the ideas rather than a lot of them buried under many pages of posts....

The whole issue is about them Doing something. Of course there doing something there waiting till they can get a easy kill to cyno on.

No ones addressing why the cloaker has some immunity from threat. Why do you get that right somehow that you should be immune from anything?

Why do they fix AFK mining but not work on the cloaking issue.

You know good and well thats not the case. Why do people dock? why do people log? Because that guy has a cyno and will pop it on you as soon as he finds the chance while your pve'ing, he doesn't want a real fight .

Don't act like they just sit there and do nothing.

There was nothing wrong with mining AFK then? No it was dumb and so they added Rats to stop them from doing that, this is just as dumb and broken.

Having a mechanic that doesn't give away the cloaked guy but makes it take effort and skill to find them , Thats a perfect solution.

A Cloaker faces no threat just same as docked.

Being able to sit a chr in a system and not have any worries while your afk/at work/ pvp with main so that you can then cyno your friends in on the pve who got used to your chr you haven't played in 30 min to 1 day ago.

Theres no reason you should be able to do that

The whole issue is about them Doing something. Of course there doing something there waiting till they can get a easy kill to cyno on.

No ones addressing why the cloaker has some immunity from threat. Why do you get that right somehow that you should be immune from anything?

Why do they fix AFK mining but not work on the cloaking issue.

no one is suppose to feel safe when they undock right?

Allowing someone to perma cloak is a game mechanic thats the point.

you can decloake and launch probes cloak back up or you can have them out and use them later.

Your not making any points.

Why does a cloaked person deserve 100% safety?

Then why not talk about that instead of people's reactions to it?

Also of note, it's been a game mechanic since cloaking devices were introduced, and the only place it seems to be an issue is in rented nullsec space. Not in hisec, not in losec, and certainly not in wormholes. Why do you think that is?

I'll tell you why: in all the other regions, there is no reasonable expectation of all-friendly local. Remove that expectation, and the supposed issue of AFK cloaking vanishes in a puff of logic.

Just thought I'd point out that scan probes are 100% detectable on D-scan. If a cloaked ship has probes out, you know that they were at keyboard within the lifetime of the probes. If the probes are moving, you know that they are at keyboard right now.

I've made several. Choosing to ignore them doesn't negate them.

The whole "100% unable to activate modules or actively interact with the environment" thing is kind of a big deal. 100% safety in exchange for that seems pretty balanced.

In low sec it's were all the good small fleet pvp is and expected...

So, when PvP is an expectation, AFK cloaking is alright? Isn't EvE a PvP game? Isn't PvP an expectation...everywhere? Seriously, you are making the case against nerfing AFK cloaking better than I am. Thanks.

1. Cloaking should not be free or indefinite, it should have both a cost/fuel consumption and require somekind of periodic interaction to maintain.

2. Cloaking should have a risk beyond fitting nuisance. There should be some tools to be able to scan cloakers (especially if something like point 1 isn't introduced).

3. It's not the cloak but the cyno that makes them ridiculous. Being able to drop a cyno instantly introduces the silly force projection from a distance...that I think was recently addressed as a mechanic that wasn't so desirable. When points 1 and 2 don't exist, this makes point 3 silly and broken. With 1 and 2, point 3 is manageable, counter-able, and working as intended.

4. The local argument (that it is because we see each other in local and the OP intel yada yada) is beyond the scope and deserves its own discussion. I say this because "local intel" affects a great many other mechanics and behaviors as well, and is not uniquely associated with this issue over any of the other issues it creates.

1. Except the point of cloaked recons or any other similar ship is to act in a manner that requires them to out on extended operation. Watching, gathering intel and waiting for OPPORTUNITY. You do know that left to their own - most cloaky ships are very weak and as such they must pick their targets or use force projection to compete. Otherwise they are typically used as support vessels.

2. Depending on the cloak used, it takes up a high slot - cpu. It places a scan resolution penalty on the ship and for all covert ops ships except for frigates adds a targeting delay of about 5 seconds.

3. Which is the point of the ship. There is a reason black ops are specifically buffed to do this - it is so we can get behind enemy lines and blow you up. Meaning that you cannot just choke off a system and be 100% safe. Also, it may be an imaginable thought - but you could fit a cyno to your ship as well.

Because from what I hear cloakers will just go after any ship they can. So as soon as he engages you, light your cyno and have your friends come help you. You have now successfully counter dropped and countered the cloaker. Congratulations!