Jenn I am sorry but I am still having a very hard time taking your arguments seriously. You have made it clear that you feel the 100% safety of the cloak is perfectly ok and you want nothing to change that.

However where I see the flaw in cloak is that the player cloaked has absolutely nothing that can remove them from a system once he/she is in that system. Nothing.

Leave to another system, stay docked and pursue other activities, or risk operating in the system. If they risk operating in the system, even the best combat tanked ship can fall prey to a hot drop. A person can do everything right and still lose in the end.

Also not true. It just requires that you put the effort in to bait them and kill them. After that, if you let them back in, it's entirely your own fault.

This is just junk fluff. Please show me one thing that I could use to threaten a cloaked pilot once they are in system.

I dont really care how they got there.

As for the victim mentality. Nice try as some passive aggressive snip. If you wish to go this route, then feel free but if you look at this thread you will see I never once have stated I was so victim or that CCP must make some change cause this is all totally unfair.

Kaarous. You either have ignored what my argument is or dont understand it. On top of that you make assumptions that are just false and can be shown in my other posts.

I have done neither.

Your claim predicates on the concept that cloaking devices are broken, and require fixing.

And since that's wrong, the rest of what you say is not relevant, whether I read it or not.

Interesting line of thought, given that I have made no suggestions on how to change the function of the cloaking device.

I didn't say you did. I said you have claimed that they require being changed.

They don't.

This "problem" exists, and has always existed, only in the minds of people who would rather not defend themselves.

I disagree with the statement. Sorry. If it was just a mental issue, then there wouldnt be hundreds of pages of posts about it.

I disagree with the statement. Sorry. If it was just a mental issue, then there wouldnt be hundreds of pages of posts about it.

I disagree with the statement. Sorry. If it was just a mental issue, then there wouldnt be hundreds of pages of posts about it.

It's the exact same argument as an afk miner gives, that they should have safety without actually having to do anything.

In regards to cloaking, it would be best for the system (Sov Mechanics) to have a scanning mechanism specifically for cloaking ships. It would find a signature in system and would be able to put you on the same grid as the cloaked individual, within 20-50kms. The range could be random. This way, the cloaking individual can't afk. He needs to pay constant attention to his screen. Due to the speed penalty, covert ops cloak is a MUST. If he afk's with a t1, he will easily be found if the defense team wants to find him & has the need. How this will work with renters I'm not really sure yet.

No risk or reward for this type of actions...

I have noticed specific patterns, two of them to be specific, which seem to be important, if not foundational, to the complaints about so-called AFK cloaking.

1. System ownership delusion
The concept that the system itself, being claimed sov space, has some deeper meaning other than a name, and the permission to build POS structures and Outposts within it.
The advantage of sov is purely leverage. You do not gain control over the gates, although you can install a cyno jammer.
(Note: the fact that this jammer affects all regular cyno, regardless of affiliation, should help indicate the all or nothing nature of that mechanic)

The net effect of this, is that due to need to transport ships rather than operate out of a local protected source, hostile shipping requires more effort to reach your so-called space.
Adding in hostile gate camps blocking their progress, reaching that system for them is meaningfully more difficult, and only possible in specific hulls with any realistic expectation of success.

Regardless of the obstacles you can place in their path, however, in the eyes of CCP, they have as much right to be there as you do.

The simple truth is, ANYONE can cloak in that space, friendly OR hostile.
Friendly pilots simply have far less need to use a cloak, since they can often simple warp inside a POS's shields, or dock in an Outpost.
Hostile pilots, having been denied access to such services, cannot use them, but must rely exclusively on cloaking.

2. Assumption that the PvE ship being removed from consideration is expected, and not subject to negotiation.
Establishing above, how the space is openly accessible to all interested parties, the abject removal of the preferred PvE shipping targets from being considered, could be considered rude.
The pilots who needed to overcome the obstacles placed by you and your allies, rendering them unable to engage in PvP except at reduced capacity, are not there to simply fight the same ships they could have encountered at a gate camp or roam along the way.

Put simply, you don't get to complain about the cloaked pilot avoiding your superior firepower, when you made that same choice in the first place by docking your PvE craft upon their arrival.

The cloaked pilot arrived for the express purpose of threatening or directly attacking specific craft. They are under no obligation to accept substitutions, despite requests on these forums that the choice be taken from them.

Whats So Wrong with a Cloaked pilot Having to be just as proactive as the PvE? In another post i said your like the pot calling the kettle black because you say the Carebears are crying they wanna feel safe waa waaa but then your the one saying no no don't take my trolling tool away don't make me have to have any skill i wanna sit around not paying attention to anything because i got my cloak on.

Whats So Wrong with a Cloaked pilot Having to be just as proactive as the PvE? In another post i said your like the pot calling the kettle black because you say the Carebears are crying they wanna feel safe waa waaa but then your the one saying no no don't take my trolling tool away don't make me have to have any skill i wanna sit around not paying attention to anything because i got my cloak on.

There should be some skill to the cloaked pilot.

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A Let's see, the PvE player docks up, and to outside awareness becomes inactive for all intents and purposes.
It is suspected the PvE player watches local, to see if the hostile name goes away.

B The cloaked player, engages that cloak, and is suspected of maintaining a non-stop vigil, as well as maintaining a significant group of allies on stand-by to hot drop with.

So, to an objective third party, who is actually more active?

The Cloaked player go's afk for a few days people come out and when he gets around to it he uses the complacency to get a easy kill cyno'ing in 10 of his buddy's. So really the PvE has tio wait and watch while the pvp can strike when ever the opportunity comes up. So you waste days and days of a corps time for your 15 min of glory that the PvE has no idea when that is. So your wrong.