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Xcom
Quantum Vortex Battalion
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Posted - 2017.05.11 07:24:26 -
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I suspect they bot on one account and AFK cloak on the other one. When people post in this thread it rattles there favorite dopamine kick playstyle. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1374
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Posted - 2017.05.11 07:27:24 -
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Xcom wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Xcom wrote:Why not just turn of the game and just play something else if your not playing. And why should you be allowed to impact the ones that do when your not even playing.
Its like that fat kid who rather smash the toys so others cant play if he's not. Funny how some idiots rather give the fat kid a cookie for the misbehavior. How can someone that's not there affect anyone else? Because Teckos Pech wrote:Periodically checking to see if some other player is foolish enough to start ratting. If so, they sends out a ping for a fleet By your analogy you advocate AFK play. By coincidence, do you advocate botting as well? They both do the same thing. Play the game without being at the keyboard. Afk cloaky camping is the only option we have to catch botters, or keep the bots from operating.
An AFK camper isn't doing anything at all. If said AFK cloaker becomes an ATK cloaker every once in a while, then said person is just way better at the game than you'll ever be. Said person is having a life and comes back to the game when an opportunity presents itself, while you're sitting in your station and rage about how you can't make your perfect isk/hour while being perfectly safe.
If said player wouldn't show up in local, you wouldn't know he's there and he wouldn't have to afk cloak to circumvent the perfect intel tool that local was never supposed to be.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6469
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Posted - 2017.05.11 07:33:26 -
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Xcom wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Xcom wrote:Why not just turn of the game and just play something else if your not playing. And why should you be allowed to impact the ones that do when your not even playing.
Its like that fat kid who rather smash the toys so others cant play if he's not. Funny how some idiots rather give the fat kid a cookie for the misbehavior. How can someone that's not there affect anyone else? Because Teckos Pech wrote:Periodically checking to see if some other player is foolish enough to start ratting. If so, they sends out a ping for a fleet By your analogy you advocate AFK play. By coincidence, do you advocate botting as well? They both do the same thing. Play the game without being at the keyboard.
I advocate being able to render local less than perfect. This has nothing to do with botting at all. Being AFK does not let one acquire resources. However botting does. The "botting argument" has been brought up and thoroughly rejected as just plain old stupid and desperate.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Dracvlad
Tactically Challenged Tactical Supremacy
3139
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Posted - 2017.05.11 07:45:11 -
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Xcom wrote:I suspect they bot on one account and AFK cloak on the other one. When people post in this thread it rattles there favorite dopamine kick playstyle.
Highly likely...
You also notice that they are such bad players that they want local nerfed to enable easy kills, but we get plenty of kills with local, the issue for them is that it requires effort and it is tough to catch someone on top of their game, which is how it should be, the balance is correct.
They want no local or a delay in local so they absolutely will get on someone even in a brick tank proteus, not for them interceptors. And they they will waffle on about bots and such ignoring that the majority of players are not bots.
It is the attitude of WH players who want to be able to have the same play style as they have in WH space in their cloaky brick T3C's.
And most of them are so up themselves that they cannot see it....
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6469
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Posted - 2017.05.11 07:49:18 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Xcom wrote:I suspect they bot on one account and AFK cloak on the other one. When people post in this thread it rattles there favorite dopamine kick playstyle. Highly likely... You also notice that they are such bad players that they want local nerfed to enable easy kills, but we get plenty of kills with local, the issue for them is that it requires effort and it is tough to catch someone on top of their game, which is how it should be, the balance is correct. They want no local or a delay in local so they absolutely will get on someone even in a brick tank proteus, not for them interceptors. And they they will waffle on about bots and such ignoring that the majority of players are not bots. It is the attitude of WH players who want to be able to have the same play style as they have in WH space in their cloaky brick T3C's. And most of them are so up themselves that they cannot see it....
And now we get Dracvlad the liar. Oh, I know maybe you should have Herzog come defend you....or your wife. That post was so pathetic.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Xcom
Quantum Vortex Battalion
190
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:04:22 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Xcom wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Xcom wrote:Why not just turn of the game and just play something else if your not playing. And why should you be allowed to impact the ones that do when your not even playing.
Its like that fat kid who rather smash the toys so others cant play if he's not. Funny how some idiots rather give the fat kid a cookie for the misbehavior. How can someone that's not there affect anyone else? Because Teckos Pech wrote:Periodically checking to see if some other player is foolish enough to start ratting. If so, they sends out a ping for a fleet By your analogy you advocate AFK play. By coincidence, do you advocate botting as well? They both do the same thing. Play the game without being at the keyboard. I advocate being able to render local less than perfect. This has nothing to do with botting at all. Being AFK does not let one acquire resources. However botting does. The "botting argument" has been brought up and thoroughly rejected as just plain old stupid and desperate. Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple
Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.
If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age. |
Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6469
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:07:07 -
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Xcom wrote: Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple
Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.
If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.
Having another melt down I see.
AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced.
And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Xcom
Quantum Vortex Battalion
191
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:16:44 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Xcom wrote: Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple
Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.
If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.
Having another melt down I see. AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced. And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting. Botting is bad because it influences the game while a player isn't playing the game. It doesn't matter what the activity is. You might as well use bots to scout. Which is probably what AFK cloakers also do. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1374
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:20:46 -
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Xcom wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Xcom wrote: Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple
Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.
If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.
Having another melt down I see. AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced. And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting. Botting is bad because it influences the game while a player isn't playing the game. It doesn't matter what the activity is. You might as well use bots to scout. Which is probably what AFK cloakers also do. No, that's actually what people like you do. Abusing local even more with intel bot networks.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Xcom
Quantum Vortex Battalion
191
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:22:28 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Xcom wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Xcom wrote: Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple
Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.
If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.
Having another melt down I see. AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced. And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting. Botting is bad because it influences the game while a player isn't playing the game. It doesn't matter what the activity is. You might as well use bots to scout. Which is probably what AFK cloakers also do. No, that's actually what people like you do. Abusing local even more with intel bot networks. Explain to me how that is? How can one "intel bot network" while playing the game at the same time? |
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1374
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:26:32 -
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Xcom wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Xcom wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Xcom wrote: Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple
Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.
If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.
Having another melt down I see. AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced. And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting. Botting is bad because it influences the game while a player isn't playing the game. It doesn't matter what the activity is. You might as well use bots to scout. Which is probably what AFK cloakers also do. No, that's actually what people like you do. Abusing local even more with intel bot networks. Explain to me how that is? How can one "intel bot network" while playing the game at the same time? Bots in random systems that automatically report any non-blue that shows up in local. Drone region space is full with them.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6469
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:34:48 -
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Xcom wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Xcom wrote: Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple
Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.
If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.
Having another melt down I see. AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced. And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting. Botting is bad because it influences the game while a player isn't playing the game. It doesn't matter what the activity is. You might as well use bots to scout. Which is probably what AFK cloakers also do.
No, influencing the game can happen even when a player is not logged in. Botting is about resources.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Xcom
Quantum Vortex Battalion
193
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:40:33 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Xcom wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Xcom wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: Having another melt down I see.
AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced.
And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting.
Botting is bad because it influences the game while a player isn't playing the game. It doesn't matter what the activity is. You might as well use bots to scout. Which is probably what AFK cloakers also do. No, that's actually what people like you do. Abusing local even more with intel bot networks. Explain to me how that is? How can one "intel bot network" while playing the game at the same time? Bots in random systems that automatically report any non-blue that shows up in local. Drone region space is full with them. You mean a bunch of AFK and cloaked characters in most systems in drone space? |
Xcom
Quantum Vortex Battalion
193
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:44:05 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Xcom wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Xcom wrote: Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple
Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.
If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.
Having another melt down I see. AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced. And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting. Botting is bad because it influences the game while a player isn't playing the game. It doesn't matter what the activity is. You might as well use bots to scout. Which is probably what AFK cloakers also do. No, influencing the game can happen even when a player is not logged in. Botting is about resources. Teckos your intellectual prowess is truly showing here. Thank you for this post, you made my day. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1374
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:53:15 -
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Xcom wrote:Linus Gorp wrote: Bots in random systems that automatically report any non-blue that shows up in local. Drone region space is full with them.
You mean a bunch of AFK and cloaked characters in most systems in drone space? Truly mind-boggling how someone that manages to play EVE can be so stupid. I reckon you'd even drag the average WoW-player intelligence level down the drain.
Let us assume for a moment that you're right (which, of course, you're not, as every remotely intelligent being knows very well). EVE is a pvp-focused sandbox, not a game. Nullsec is a explicit pvp region in said pvp-focused sandbox.
Questions:
- Why do you think your playstyle is in any way more valid that somebody elses?
- Why do you think you're entitled to 100% risk-free ISK making in a specific PvP zone?
- If you truly think you are entitled to it, how do you want to balance out the retardedly skewed ISK/Reward balance?
- Do you think you're entitled to the increased rewards without also taking the (currently non-existent) increased risk?
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Xcom
Quantum Vortex Battalion
196
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:56:01 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Xcom wrote:Linus Gorp wrote: Bots in random systems that automatically report any non-blue that shows up in local. Drone region space is full with them.
You mean a bunch of AFK and cloaked characters in most systems in drone space? Truly mind-boggling how someone that manages to play EVE can be so stupid. I reckon you'd even drag the average WoW-player intelligence level down the drain. EVE is a pvp-focused sandbox, not a game. Nullsec is a explicit pvp region in said pvp-focused sandbox. Questions:
- Why do you think your playstyle is in any way more valid than somebody elses?
- Why do you think you're entitled to 100% risk-free ISK making in a specific PvP zone?
- If you truly think you are entitled to it, how do you want to balance out the retardedly skewed ISK/Reward balance?
- Do you think you're entitled to the increased rewards without also taking the (currently non-existent) increased risk?
You somehow forgot to answer the question I posted earlier. |
Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6469
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:56:34 -
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Xcom wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Xcom wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Xcom wrote: Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple
Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.
If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.
Having another melt down I see. AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced. And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting. Botting is bad because it influences the game while a player isn't playing the game. It doesn't matter what the activity is. You might as well use bots to scout. Which is probably what AFK cloakers also do. No, influencing the game can happen even when a player is not logged in. Botting is about resources. Teckos your intellectual prowess is truly showing here. Thank you for this post, you made my day.
Buy and sell orders have an effect on the game even when a player is not logged in. So can contracts. I can set one up, and the log off, and when somebody else logs and accepts the contract resources have shifted in the game.
Again, this discussion was already covered and your "side" lost. And you are not smart enough to try and win it given you did not see these obvious answers.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1374
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:58:04 -
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Xcom wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Xcom wrote:Linus Gorp wrote: Bots in random systems that automatically report any non-blue that shows up in local. Drone region space is full with them.
You mean a bunch of AFK and cloaked characters in most systems in drone space? Truly mind-boggling how someone that manages to play EVE can be so stupid. I reckon you'd even drag the average WoW-player intelligence level down the drain. EVE is a pvp-focused sandbox, not a game. Nullsec is a explicit pvp region in said pvp-focused sandbox. Questions:
- Why do you think your playstyle is in any way more valid than somebody elses?
- Why do you think you're entitled to 100% risk-free ISK making in a specific PvP zone?
- If you truly think you are entitled to it, how do you want to balance out the retardedly skewed ISK/Reward balance?
- Do you think you're entitled to the increased rewards without also taking the (currently non-existent) increased risk?
You somehow forgot to answer the question I posted earlier. What question? All that comes from you is bullshit that makes no sense whatsoever and whining.
Quote:I found Xcom for you. From: Sent: 2017.05.11 08:47
I've found your scumsucker.
He is at Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant station in the Jita system, Kimotoro constellation of The Forge region.
With regards,
I see. You're whining here and have your market bot running in the background.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Xcom
Quantum Vortex Battalion
196
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Posted - 2017.05.11 09:02:07 -
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You said that I support bot networks. Then pointed out that drone region is full of AFK characters that report anyone who enters there system. I asked, are those same characters AFK and cloaked? |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1374
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Posted - 2017.05.11 09:05:40 -
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Xcom wrote:You said that I support bot networks. Then pointed out that drone region is full of AFK characters that report anyone who enters there system. I asked, are those same characters AFK and cloaked? That's not a question, that's some pathetic attempt at twisting my words around. You know the answer. An afk cloaker that's there to annoy the locals wouldn't sit in empty systems and report any non-blue players in their intel networks automatically.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Xcom
Quantum Vortex Battalion
198
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Posted - 2017.05.11 09:26:41 -
[9921] - Quote
Linus Gorp wrote:Xcom wrote:You said that I support bot networks. Then pointed out that drone region is full of AFK characters that report anyone who enters there system. I asked, are those same characters AFK and cloaked? That's not a question, that's some pathetic attempt at twisting my words around. Although, on second thought, that would require a level of intelligence you have shown time and again to lack. An afk cloaker that's there to annoy the locals wouldn't sit in empty systems and report any non-blue players in their intel networks automatically. So you mean that sitting in an empty system AFK and bot network reporting is bad, and AFK bot network in enemy staging system is good? |
Dracvlad
Tactically Challenged Tactical Supremacy
3139
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Posted - 2017.05.11 09:26:57 -
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Xcom wrote:You said that I support bot networks. Then pointed out that drone region is full of AFK characters that report anyone who enters there system. I asked, are those same characters AFK and cloaked?
It is a very relevant question and one that they will refuse to answer for obvious reasons...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
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Dracvlad
Tactically Challenged Tactical Supremacy
3139
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Posted - 2017.05.11 09:27:45 -
[9923] - Quote
Xcom wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Xcom wrote:You said that I support bot networks. Then pointed out that drone region is full of AFK characters that report anyone who enters there system. I asked, are those same characters AFK and cloaked? That's not a question, that's some pathetic attempt at twisting my words around. Although, on second thought, that would require a level of intelligence you have shown time and again to lack. An afk cloaker that's there to annoy the locals wouldn't sit in empty systems and report any non-blue players in their intel networks automatically. So you mean that sitting in an empty system AFK and bot network reporting is bad, and AFK bot network in enemy staging system is good?
And you nailed it.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
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Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
1200
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Posted - 2017.05.11 09:40:11 -
[9924] - Quote
Teckos Pech wrote:
Buy and sell orders have an effect on the game even when a player is not logged in. So can contracts. I can set one up, and the log off, and when somebody else logs and accepts the contract resources have shifted in the game.
Again, this discussion was already covered and your "side" lost. And you are not smart enough to try and win it given you did not see these obvious answers.
But we also covered the balancing factor:
Unattended orders and contracts are more susceptible to being compromised by players actively monitoring their business. The same is not true of camping under a cloak.
Every other activity in the game takes on more risk and becomes less effective/efficient when done AFK, when such is possible at all.
At best the cloak is unaffected by going afk, and in the case of camping under a cloak the intended effect is usually enhanced by the protracted time spent doing it.
What is generally understood to be botting is only coincidentally linked to resources. Botting is using third party programming and/or scripts to automate some aspect of gameplay. It's pretty much beyond the scope of this conversation because no one should be hunting bots, accounts using bots should just be permanently banned and done away with. Going AFK isn't botting.
As to a compromise where certain cloaking devices remove the ship from local, but it is possible to probe all ships, that can work with the caveat that the cloak that removes you from local not do so indefinitely. Dscan and probes require active use, and keeping a cloak like that going should likewise require active use, not one touch fire and forget functionality. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics Federation Uprising
774
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Posted - 2017.05.11 10:27:18 -
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Xcom wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Xcom wrote:You said that I support bot networks. Then pointed out that drone region is full of AFK characters that report anyone who enters there system. I asked, are those same characters AFK and cloaked? That's not a question, that's some pathetic attempt at twisting my words around. Although, on second thought, that would require a level of intelligence you have shown time and again to lack. An afk cloaker that's there to annoy the locals wouldn't sit in empty systems and report any non-blue players in their intel networks automatically. So you mean that sitting in an empty system AFK and bot network reporting is bad, and AFK bot network in enemy staging system is good?
Wrong. AFK cloaking is good. AFK bot network reporting in any system is bad.
Clear?
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Xcom
Quantum Vortex Battalion
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Posted - 2017.05.11 14:28:13 -
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If there is truth about random characters spread around drone space logging traffic. Then it would make AFK cloaking an even worse mechanic. Without a single input into the client to stay cloaked would make it extremely easy to create monitoring bots which would be impossible to detect. Double edged sword that basically piggybacks on AFK cloaking.
Cloaking is by far the most destructive feature that punishes active gameplay. Only people that benefits are the ones abusing it, the type of players that abuse passive AFK gameplay. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1374
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Posted - 2017.05.11 14:40:54 -
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Xcom wrote:If there is truth about random characters spread around drone space logging traffic. Then it would make AFK cloaking an even worse mechanic. Without a single input into the client to stay cloaked would make it extremely easy to create monitoring bots which would be impossible to detect. Double edged sword that basically piggybacks on AFK cloaking.
Cloaking is by far the most destructive feature that punishes active gameplay. Only people that benefits are the ones abusing it, the type of players that abuse passive AFK gameplay. Without local intel, intel bots wouldn't work and we wouldn't have to resort to afk cloaking to beat a perfect intel tool and said intel bots.
Local is the problem and CCP knows it.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Dracvlad
Tactically Challenged Tactical Supremacy
3139
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Posted - 2017.05.11 14:45:12 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Xcom wrote:If there is truth about random characters spread around drone space logging traffic. Then it would make AFK cloaking an even worse mechanic. Without a single input into the client to stay cloaked would make it extremely easy to create monitoring bots which would be impossible to detect. Double edged sword that basically piggybacks on AFK cloaking.
Cloaking is by far the most destructive feature that punishes active gameplay. Only people that benefits are the ones abusing it, the type of players that abuse passive AFK gameplay. Without local intel, intel bots wouldn't work and we wouldn't have to resort to afk cloaking to beat a perfect intel tool and said intel bots. Local is the problem and CCP knows it.
CCP not dealing with bots is the problem...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6469
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Posted - 2017.05.11 17:04:49 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Xcom wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Xcom wrote:You said that I support bot networks. Then pointed out that drone region is full of AFK characters that report anyone who enters there system. I asked, are those same characters AFK and cloaked? That's not a question, that's some pathetic attempt at twisting my words around. Although, on second thought, that would require a level of intelligence you have shown time and again to lack. An afk cloaker that's there to annoy the locals wouldn't sit in empty systems and report any non-blue players in their intel networks automatically. So you mean that sitting in an empty system AFK and bot network reporting is bad, and AFK bot network in enemy staging system is good? And you nailed it.
Nobody here is implying, saying, writing or proposing that botting is bad. That is just a lie from Dracvald and Xcom.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6469
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Posted - 2017.05.11 17:09:56 -
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Mike Voidstar wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:
Buy and sell orders have an effect on the game even when a player is not logged in. So can contracts. I can set one up, and the log off, and when somebody else logs and accepts the contract resources have shifted in the game.
Again, this discussion was already covered and your "side" lost. And you are not smart enough to try and win it given you did not see these obvious answers.
But we also covered the balancing factor: Unattended orders and contracts are more susceptible to being compromised by players actively monitoring their business. The same is not true of camping under a cloak. Every other activity in the game takes on more risk and becomes less effective/efficient when done AFK, when such is possible at all. At best the cloak is unaffected by going afk, and in the case of camping under a cloak the intended effect is usually enhanced by the protracted time spent doing it. What is generally understood to be botting is only coincidentally linked to resources. Botting is using third party programming and/or scripts to automate some aspect of gameplay. It's pretty much beyond the scope of this conversation because no one should be hunting bots, accounts using bots should just be permanently banned and done away with. Going AFK isn't botting. As to a compromise where certain cloaking devices remove the ship from local, but it is possible to probe all ships, that can work with the caveat that the cloak that removes you from local not do so indefinitely. Dscan and probes require active use, and keeping a cloak like that going should likewise require active use, not one touch fire and forget functionality.
Yes, and we covered the risk angle too. Sitting at a safe cloaked means you are at very little risk and to maintain that you pose no risk towards others. The only remaining factor is the uncertainty--is the player at they keyboard or not. For that we even discussed how one can change that uncertainty into risk as well.
So, discussed (to death) and there is no there there.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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