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DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.18 23:04:00 - [31] Like in the previous post Caldari makes it easier to NPC and so on but the other races ships will do the same. TBH I prefer Amarr in that specific field (we dont need ammo). In the PVP kingdom you dont see many Caldari Ships, in fleet battles they are quite rare when compared with the Amarr (Apocs + armageddons) and Gallentean Ships (Megatron) or Minmatar (Tempest).
Treitei	Posted - 2006.09.18 23:15:00 - [32] Originally by: Blanco Nino I started playing EVE earlier this summer, and being the gamer that I am, I spent the last 2 months training my learning skills. My intention when I completed my learning skills was to train and specialize in Gallente ships. I was very happy with this decision as I like the look of the Gallente ships... but as I read more and more on these forums I can't help but feel disheartened by the seeming lack of balance between the different races in EVE. General consensus seems to be that Amarr sucks, Gallente and Minmitar are ok, and Caldari are king. Further evidence of this seems to be the relative distribution of players playing each race... an overwhelming majority are in fact Caldari. So: Is there any truth to this? and Why does anyone fly anything other than Caldari? Partially: Caldari ships have an overwhelming advantage in PVE, PVP however I do not know as I do not have first-hand experience using their ships. They also have among the best characters attribute-wise, I think throughout the existence of Eve-Online. (Most recent incarnation being Caldari Achura Monks.) I'm guessing other people fly other ships, other than for aesthetic/rp values, because the other races' ships have a combat style that is more appealing to them, or is simply more effective than Caldari ships'. (Because missiles are slow as all hell for ex.) Trivia: IIRC ~40-50% of Eve-Online characters are Caldari.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.09.18 23:26:00 - [33] Originally by: prathe TBH it all boils down to one thing it's not the better ship that wins , it's the better pilot . period i like to think it too, but in the end is not that true, ship play an important part... i'm not saying that a certain ship is overpowered or that the ship do all the job, just tha the ship is an important factor in the equation and that give a big advantage to the pilot. i also think that eve in the end is quite balanced atm (for sure more than most game) but also i see caldari as an "easy" race with low sp requirement, a lot of versatility and not many drawbacks the mayor one was probably to not have a ship that shine in fleet engagement and we know that this is about to change. so to an extent i agree with the op, the fact that caldari is an easy race with almost no drawback makes it very noobfriendly. this is actually what i see with new player, as i "lurk" in my language channel it happens to ask to noobs why they chose a certain race and generally the reply of caldari players is something like "is the best race", "my friend told me to chose it" and so on... there are also some noobs that reroll a caldari pilot after a couple of days. so i disagree with ones who say... noobs chose caldari because is the first race, or they liked the BG and chose it... for my experience most noobs chose caldari because this is perceived (right or wrong) as the best race. also EvE is a world in constant evolution (even if sometimes a bit slowly) we also know that probably defenders are going to get revamped and maybe there will be an overall missile revamp in future... so we don't really know how things will evolve in the future. but as said, atm, the situation imo is like that, a race easy to play that is able to do almost everything very well.
Too Kind	Posted - 2006.09.18 23:32:00 - [34] Edited by: Too Kind on 18/09/2006 23:36:36 Like someone else already said, the rokh is coming soon (tm), at least soon enough for newbies that she(?) will be available, when it makes sense for them to use a BS in pvp. I think Gallente has the best mix of close-range, long-range, fleet and solo pvp ships/setups (snipertron, blastertron, domi, Ishtar, Deimos, Vexor, Ishkur, Taranis, Enyo .. etc., all good ships imho. ) and the BS are also good for PvE. At least with enough SP. My mate goes always ratting angels in 0.0 with his blasterthron with pvp fitting, doesn't even remove the scrambler. Currently I ususally fly Tempest in fleets, but might change a bit with the rokh. In gangs lately often a caldari missile boats with EW. (I can't fly Gallente) Tech-2 missiles are quite nice, except you try to kill a speedy interceptor. Last time I tried to kill a stiletto, I made only 6 damage with precision-cruise and 3 ballistic-controls-II. But on the other hand, large turrets can't track high transversal velocities at all. -------------------------- Post with your main !!!111
Blanco Nino	Posted - 2006.09.19 03:13:00 - [35] speaking of the new Caldari BS... does it get bonuses to just rail guns or hybrid turrets in general? If its both railguns and blasters I think my decision will be made... Caldari BlasteRohk
Blanco Nino	Posted - 2006.09.19 18:21:00 - [36] anyone know^^^^?
Kaiu Hinkledolph and K Associates The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.09.19 18:28:00 - [37] Gallente own quite a lot tbh Blasters+drones plus the ability to have super sick evil armour tanks makes them king all round imo Raven fanbois are dieing off slowly but surely or at least quietening down on the forums ____________________ MOGarmy
Hysenthlay Minmatar The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2006.09.19 18:40:00 - [38] Me I fly Minmatar and Caldari, as I find the Missile and Shield skill sets from Caldari compliment my Minnie ships :) ____________________________ Silflay Hraka U Embleer Rah
Jonas Darkstar Amarr Darkstar Services Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.19 18:43:00 - [39] I used to be Caldari but then i swaped to the Amarr race to be Unique.
ElCoCo Gallente KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.09.19 18:45:00 - [40] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: prathe TBH it all boils down to one thing it's not the better ship that wins , it's the better pilot . period QFT pilot > ship Yeah but if said pilot was fighting himself in another ship (with similar skills ofc), who would win?
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.19 18:48:00 - [41] Originally by: ElCoCo Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: prathe TBH it all boils down to one thing it's not the better ship that wins , it's the better pilot . period QFT pilot > ship Yeah but if said pilot was fighting himself in another ship (with similar skills ofc), who would win? He'd probably cause some sort of paradox and erase the universe.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2006.09.19 18:59:00 - [42] Originally by: Krulla He'd probably cause some sort of paradox and erase the universe. Quick! Nerf paradox! ----- Russell T Davies is my master now.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.19 19:02:00 - [43] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/09/2006 19:06:16 Originally by: Blanco Nino I started playing EVE earlier this summer, and being the gamer that I am, I spent the last 2 months training my learning skills. My intention when I completed my learning skills was to train and specialize in Gallente ships. I was very happy with this decision as I like the look of the Gallente ships... but as I read more and more on these forums I can't help but feel disheartened by the seeming lack of balance between the different races in EVE. General consensus seems to be that Amarr sucks, Gallente and Minmitar are ok, and Caldari are king. Further evidence of this seems to be the relative distribution of players playing each race... an overwhelming majority are in fact Caldari. So: Is there any truth to this? and Why does anyone fly anything other than Caldari? Caldari is pretty bad, but the Raven is very good. People will tell you they suck for pvp because they dont have instant damage, and often they use the example of being 160 km away to show how bad the ship is... all thats telling me is that the ship is bad for sniping. Nothing else. Most combat Im in is taking place at close to medium range, alone or in a small group. There the Raven rocks. The Mega have slightly higher damage, but will take a real beating while its closing distance so it can do damage with its guns. In the end, its the amount of time to close the distance that will decide the outcome between the two. The damage of t2 torpedoes is devestating vs large ships, and still hit pretty good vs small ships as well. Personally i think Raven is very, very good in small groups with combat at close to medium range. It has a superior tank and t2 torps give it very high damage as well. These are basicly facts that can be shown using NB's dps spreadsheet. When people do, generally the arguments become "stop playing the game on paper"...so I dont know, what arguments should a guy use to show inbalance? The gut feeling? :) There really is no point in arguing game balance, because people will use all sorts of strange arguments to support their own cause or race. Just trust ccp to balance the game and give up on trying to discuss it... thats my advice (which i dont follow unfortunantly). :) I feel that gallente and minmatar is currently the best pvp races, with Amarr as 3rd and Caldari as 4:th. Simply because its really only the Raven I respect in the caldari lineup. I respect basicly all gallente ships for example and I think most players do. Things will change for caldari though, with assault missiles coming in. Last patch buffed gallente and i think caldari is next. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Estelle Matsuko Caldari The Beiatch Corp Inc	Posted - 2006.09.19 19:46:00 - [44] Edited by: Estelle Matsuko on 19/09/2006 19:47:34 Originally by: Ralara heh are you kidding? Well it depends what type of player you are. For missions and ratting (NPS belt hunting) Ravens are the king, and thus caldari. For PVP something like a Thorax (gallante), a Dominix (gallante) or a cyclone are much more fun to play with. The only reason Caldari are so popular is the race descriptions (who wants to be a Slave (min), French (Gal) or a Relgious nutter (amarr) ??[quote Cleanup on monitor one please
coldplasma	Posted - 2006.09.19 19:53:00 - [45] Edited by: coldplasma on 19/09/2006 19:55:37 Caldari have great ships, but in terms of solo gankability, the ships are not nearly as good as maybe gallente or minmatar unless you are using T2 ships. I'm caldari and I started training Gallente ships for the sheer gankability. ____________________________ See you in 0.0 kids...
Roxors Caldari Solar Wind Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.19 20:33:00 - [46] Originally by: Blanco Nino Edited by: Blanco Nino on 18/09/2006 21:24:31 SonOTassadar: your reasoning is more or less what I had in mind when I started this thread. It seems to me like the fittings on Caldari allow extensive use of ECM, which is a huge advantage in PVP. Also not having to worry about tracking is a nice bonus too, and so to is the much lesser SP investment required for missiles compared to guns (+drones possibly). They just seem like THE elite race in terms of ships. I'd really like to hear from someone who has PVP'd extensively in Caldari ships and feels like they are screwed or at least at a major disadvantage. Anyone? well.. i wont say i've pvp'ed "extensivly" in caldari ships.. but im an all caldari pilot and i've done some pvp and here is what i found... the time it takes for my missiles to get from my launchers to my target is a serious liability.. ----------- Website Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected]) Originally by: jellybelly2 My alt has seen 9 titans.
Phalyssa Truixim	Posted - 2006.09.19 22:20:00 - [47] I am a new player (just under 3 weeks into the game). My brother had been playing the game awhile longer than I had. He really enjoys mining so we decided that it would be fun if I went combat to protect his mining ventures. The Caldari description sounded like it would be the correct race to do that. It would be nice if the descriptions actually stated what each race was good at (PvP/PvE). I know I can train the other ships, it is just a little disheartening to come here and read that I will be fairly ineffective at protecting my brother. Is this really the case? Can I be ok with Caldari ships or should I immediately focus elsewhere?
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.19 22:26:00 - [48] Thank God that CCP has not made all ships and weapons into cookie cutter copies of each other. Perfectly "equal" weapons would be the ultimate failure CCP could make. Even better, what is a great weapon now might not be popular six months from now. snip This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
Yarek Balear Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.19 22:36:00 - [49] Originally by: Phalyssa Truixim I am a new player (just under 3 weeks into the game). My brother had been playing the game awhile longer than I had. He really enjoys mining so we decided that it would be fun if I went combat to protect his mining ventures. The Caldari description sounded like it would be the correct race to do that. It would be nice if the descriptions actually stated what each race was good at (PvP/PvE). I know I can train the other ships, it is just a little disheartening to come here and read that I will be fairly ineffective at protecting my brother. Is this really the case? Can I be ok with Caldari ships or should I immediately focus elsewhere? Yes - you can be effective in this role particularly with Caldari ships. Caldari are the king of EW, so you could fit jammers and jam anything that attacked him (or try). Probably the most effective way of protecting him if that's what you're doing...
Torrence Osti A.W.M	Posted - 2006.09.19 22:57:00 - [50] I picked Gallente cause that chick on the character select screen is a hottie.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.09.19 23:28:00 - [51] Caldari pretty much suck tbh for solo PvP. Jamming is king, and you simply cannot fit a decent ammount of EW in your mids and have any sort of a decent tank. If you armor tank it, at high level's of skill points the dps disparity between missles and guns really start to show. Since most combat is very close range, lack of extra dps because of the tiny or non existant drone bays also hurts. You really got to be in a gang for caldari ships to be viable in PvP.
Andreask14 Sensus Numinis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.19 23:58:00 - [52] Everybody is Caldri because they have the most appealing description on the race selection screen and other races¦ pilots train for caldari later because they have the best PvE ships. I chose amarr because i was told they would have the best turrets combined with the best tank, focusing on pure might. Nowadays i wonder how i could fall for that. Just because you are not paranoid, it does not mean that they arent after you.

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