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Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2015.01.22 00:00:45 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote: So, if you bother to go thru all that trouble to move 5LY every hour using that method
I say give that person a friggin medal, you just made my point even more
Not an issue
Glad to see the thread is backsliding to absolute statements without support. Handwaving and insisting there is an issue without actually addressing the issue. Filling up three ships is a matter of a minute or two on each end of the trip. Not exactly a huge barrier to use.
And in the spirit of not having to back up anything, I propose my opinion to mirror your opinion states as fact.
There is an issue. The idea is bad. |

Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.01.22 01:39:16 -
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Anhenka wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote: So, if you bother to go thru all that trouble to move 5LY every hour using that method
I say give that person a friggin medal, you just made my point even more
Not an issue
Glad to see the thread is backsliding to absolute statements without support. Handwaving and insisting there is no issue without actually addressing why or why not. Filling up three ships is a matter of a minute or two on each end of the trip. Not exactly a huge barrier to use. And in the spirit of not having to back up anything, I propose my opinion to mirror your opinion stated as fact. There is an issue. The idea is bad.
Bad was moving this much 12LY every 15 seconds
Moving 5LY every hour is borderline suicidal |

Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2015.01.22 02:00:06 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:
Bad was moving this much 12LY every 15 seconds
Moving 5LY every hour is borderline suicidal
A: People run missions in highsec. I consider that suicidally boring, but apparently, a very large number of people disagree with me. B: Is that supposed to be a compelling reason there for introducing the ability to do so in the first place? That in the situation of long distance travel, you who already own a JF or have easy access to someone with one would rather use a JF cause it's easier?
C: I'm based in Delve. My staging system is 1-Smeb, off Sakht. I can go from Vehan (a convenient highsec border location in Aridria) to Sahkt next to my staging system with a 4 and a 4.24 LY jump, incurring roughly three and a half hours fatigue. I can jump to Vehan from Sakht, fill up, log off my spare carrier alt for a few hours, then be back in my staging system with very little hassle.
Even if I had to add say an additional 4.5 LY jump from out of nowhere (for a total of three jumps), I could do all three jumps in around 20 minutes, turn off the comp for the night, and be finished with jump fatigue by the time I got home from work the next day. You don't have to let jump fatigue burn down between each jump, especially on a suitcase alt you can shelve for a while. And if I have two carrier alts I don't need on standby with no jump fatigue (which I do have), I can do the whole trip in 35ish minutes or less.
But I'm totally sure that the pain and effort of logging off an account for the night or for a few hours will mean that people other than the uber-rich PL bourgeoisie will find the slight extra effort in using a carrier absolutely prohibitive.
And they they wont use and abuse the **** out of said system. Nope. No chance of that. |

Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.01.22 02:35:16 -
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Anhenka wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:
Bad was moving this much 12LY every 15 seconds
Moving 5LY every hour is borderline suicidal
A: People run missions in highsec. I consider that suicidally boring, but apparently, a very large number of people disagree with me. B: Is that supposed to be a compelling reason there for introducing the ability to do so in the first place? That in the situation of long distance travel, you who already own a JF or have easy access to someone with one would rather use a JF cause it's easier? C: I'm based in Delve. My staging system is 1-Smeb, off Sakht. I can go from Vehan (a convenient highsec border location in Aridria) to Sahkt next to my staging system with a 4 and a 4.24 LY jump, incurring roughly three and a half hours fatigue. I can jump to Vehan from Sakht, fill up, log off my spare carrier alt for a few hours, then be back in my staging system with very little hassle. Even if I had to add say an additional 4.5 LY jump from out of nowhere (for a total of three jumps), I could do all three jumps in around 20 minutes, turn off the comp for the night, and be finished with jump fatigue by the time I got home from work the next day. You don't have to let jump fatigue burn down between each jump, especially on a suitcase alt you can shelve for a while. And if I have two carrier alts I don't need on standby with no jump fatigue (which I do have), I can do the whole trip in 35ish minutes or less. But I'm totally sure that the pain and effort of logging off an account for the night or for a few hours will mean that people other than the uber-rich PL bourgeoisie will find the slight extra effort in using a carrier absolutely prohibitive.
And they they wont use and abuse the **** out of said system. Nope. No chance of that.
If anyone in PL is that friggin try-hard we would DD him for being stupid when we have literally 20 JF making runs every night
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Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2015.01.22 02:45:21 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote: If anyone in PL is that friggin try-hard we would DD him for being stupid when we have literally 20 JF making runs every night
This may be surprising, but the game does not revolve around PL. Nor are balancing decision made based solely on if PL has better ways to do it.
I never expected this to be overly useful for you. It would be used primarily by all the other non PL poors running around for whom a 1 bil isk carrier + spare carrier alt + spare time is far more easy to come by than 20 JF alts making daiy runs. |

Scuzzy Logic
Nightmare Machinery
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Posted - 2015.01.22 06:12:16 -
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+1
It annoys me greatly when people store their mining ships in my orca (mining ice in shattered holes ain't for the faint of heart) in a pinch and they have to waste a few seconds to store/jettison their mobile depots before swapping. |

Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.01.22 08:04:35 -
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Like i stated before - exclude specialized holds ( ore/fleet hangar etc) and carrier carrying capabilities are reduced by 1/3. |

Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.01.22 12:35:13 -
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Anhenka wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote: If anyone in PL is that friggin try-hard we would DD him for being stupid when we have literally 20 JF making runs every night
This may be surprising, but the game does not revolve around PL. Nor are balancing decision made based solely on if PL has better ways to do it. I never expected this to be overly useful for you. It would be used primarily by all the other non PL poors running around for whom a 1 bil isk carrier + spare carrier alt + spare time is far more easy to come by than 20 JF alts making daiy runs.
Anhenka wrote: But I'm totally sure that the pain and effort of logging off an account for the night or for a few hours will mean that people other than the uber-rich PL bourgeoisie will find the slight extra effort in using a carrier absolutely prohibitive.
Oh, I thought you meant PL would be exploiting this in your italics on your last post.
That is what i mean though. The people who you should be worried about abusing it won't cause they have JF, the people that will try and game the system aren't the ones you care if they do it.
But, hey, in the end, the loss mails would be friggin hilarious |

Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.01.22 13:05:44 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote: But, hey, in the end, the loss mails would be friggin hilarious
This is enough is reason we should go this way. |

Sentenced 1989
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Posted - 2015.02.11 09:17:40 -
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Lets get this up again.
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Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.02.19 21:29:29 -
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BTT
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Forlorn Wongraven
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.05.20 17:26:27 -
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BUMP.
ATXI winner, 3rd place ATXII - follow me on twitter: @ForlornW
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
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Posted - 2015.05.20 17:40:25 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Just exclude all industrial ships from this, so that you can keep depots and refits in combat ships inside SMAs, but not exploit this with haulers inside freighters.
This seems balanced
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
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Posted - 2015.05.21 18:40:20 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Just exclude all industrial ships from this, so that you can keep depots and refits in combat ships inside SMAs, but not exploit this with haulers inside freighters.
I think this is sensible, as the largest cargo you can get on a combat ship is marauder, and those are pretty pricey to be using as SMA cargo expanders..... it also removes the issue of people carrying hoarders full of charges
For posting an idea into F&I:
come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it.....
If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
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