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Saul Weintraub
Nyarlthotep Holdings Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.01.11 20:20:17 -
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So this is for PvE mission running only. PvP is a separate ball game and out of the scope of this post.
I run level 4 missions with a raven and equip it with cruise missiles. I find that the drones I bring along can wipe out the frigates and destroyers very easily, and my cruise missiles handle battlecruisers and above quite well.
So that leaves a soft spot. Cruisers.
I have typically used medium drones against them which I'm told is the correct thing to do, but man, they SUCK. If I left my medium drones on the cruisers, it would be several minutes until they got a kill.
Some quick notes on my skills: all my basic drone skills are level IV, though drones is V. Haven't gotten the faction specialization skills yet, but everything else that you would suggest I train for light and medium drones, I have trained to IV.
As for drone selection, I select the drone with the damage type best suited to attacking the enemy I am attacking. Explosive damage against weak to explosive targets, etc. I know that one suggestion might be to always use gallente drones as they have the highest damage multiplier, but there's some loss with using thermal damage against a target who isn't as weak to thermal damage as he may be to something else.
So, of course, you can supplement your drone damage with missile damage. But using cruise missiles against drones is incredibly inefficient.
So how do you guys deal with this conundrum? Probably the best suggestion I heard was to bring along cheap cruise missiles for use against the cruisers. But I'm open to suggestions... |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19191
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Posted - 2015.01.11 20:26:02 -
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Webs, target painters and precision cruise missiles.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
14912
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Posted - 2015.01.11 20:26:23 -
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This would fit better in the Missions subforum.
Just saying.
Ralph King-Griffin > **** you sol, years, ****ing years since thats happend
"don't want to lose my bling ship at first attempt on TQ" - Michael Jita, not an alt
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Debora Tsung
Die Woge des Wahnsinns
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1427
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Posted - 2015.01.11 20:26:35 -
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Either Use T2 drones with Faction Spec, or TP the cruisers you set your drones on, it also helps if you web them.
Once you can use T2 Missiles (need good support skills tho) you can use precision missiles on the cruisers so you'll need your drones only for the frigs.
EDIT: Isee, someone was faster than me. ^^
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> AFK Cloaking Collection Thread
Please stop making "fix afk cloaking!" threads, your idea is not new. Thanks in advance.
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Foxicity
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
93
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Posted - 2015.01.11 20:28:57 -
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Hmm I'm no mission runner but the T2 precision missiles are only twice as expensive as normals. You might try heavy drones as well against 'dumb' targets like NPC cruisers, they may have some luck applying their full DPS. And of course either of these proposals would be helped by a target painter. |
Sylveria Relden
Relden Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.01.11 20:31:49 -
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Saul Weintraub wrote:So this is for PvE mission running only. PvP is a separate ball game and out of the scope of this post.
I run level 4 missions with a raven and equip it with cruise missiles. I find that the drones I bring along can wipe out the frigates and destroyers very easily, and my cruise missiles handle battlecruisers and above quite well.
So that leaves a soft spot. Cruisers.
I have typically used medium drones against them which I'm told is the correct thing to do, but man, they SUCK. If I left my medium drones on the cruisers, it would be several minutes until they got a kill.
Some quick notes on my skills: all my basic drone skills are level IV, though drones is V. Haven't gotten the faction specialization skills yet, but everything else that you would suggest I train for light and medium drones, I have trained to IV.
As for drone selection, I select the drone with the damage type best suited to attacking the enemy I am attacking. Explosive damage against weak to explosive targets, etc. I know that one suggestion might be to always use gallente drones as they have the highest damage multiplier, but there's some loss with using thermal damage against a target who isn't as weak to thermal damage as he may be to something else.
So, of course, you can supplement your drone damage with missile damage. But using cruise missiles against drones is incredibly inefficient.
So how do you guys deal with this conundrum? Probably the best suggestion I heard was to bring along cheap cruise missiles for use against the cruisers. But I'm open to suggestions...
This game is all about choice, consequence and compromise. It's designed so you cannot possibly cover every single variable- you're going to be "strong" in some things and "weak" in others, no matter how meticulously you plan. Luck does not equate to skill, and vice versa.
For missile skills, make sure you've trained the supports- (as a few cover damage radius/signature radius, too- this helps with targeting smaller hull types than yours) and for drones, you said it already - that's what Medium Drones were designed for. You can also try Sentries, which will shoot anything (they don't care what the hull size is) but they've got drawbacks as well. (such as not being able to move, and limited to ranges)
The game mechanics were designed specifically so that "bigger doesn't always mean better", and with that, you leave yourself vulnerable to smaller ships when you use bigger ones. (not trying to state the obvious, just citing the point) Another alternative is to bring a friend with a smaller ship so they can help pick off frigates and cruisers- teamwork goes a long way. (not to sound cliche, but the "best ship" is "friendship")
It sounds like you're mitigating the damage as best you can, otherwise. Make sure you're fitting active hardeners specific to the mission (not passive hardeners designed for PvP) and dictate range as much as possible. MJD's were designed with BS in mind for that purpose, too. (I'm sure lots of others will have suggestions as well.) |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.01.11 21:43:33 -
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My light drones (T1 and 2) tear Cruisers a new one very very rapidly.
I suggest you simply train your drone skills better
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
264
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Posted - 2015.01.11 21:57:29 -
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Rigor Rigs help a lot.
My favorite Raven fit basically uses a MJD to pull range, 2 Rigor Rigs, target painter x2, and a sebo to make sure I can target past 100km.
Rigor rigs, flare catalyst and target painter work wonders for cruise missiles. Try it out. You'll be one shotting cruisers easily. |
Steppa Musana
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2015.01.11 22:01:15 -
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Ships with drone damage bonuses are great for missions because of this precisely. Light drones end up doing enough DPS to take out what you need. |
Slavealt
Sheep Can Hear A Zipper From A Mile Away
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Posted - 2015.01.11 22:38:23 -
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We would need to know your fit to give a really good answer. With proper skills and fit, cruise missiles work fine on cruisers. Just make sure you use T1/Faction/Precisions for them, as Furies are pretty bad at applied damage on smaller targets.
I have a feeling you aren't fitting rigors/target painters, which help a *lot* applying damage to smaller stuff with missiles. I'd generally suggest using 2 rigor/1 flare and at least 1 TP on any BC+ PVE missile boat. You'd be surprised the difference they make in applied damage. If you're already using these, it may just be a skill points issue. |
Rhatar Khurin
Happy Asteroid Ltd
755
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Posted - 2015.01.11 22:44:24 -
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Whilst i have never flown a regular Raven before, i do fly a Golem and Typhoons and i run 2 x RF Target painters and rigor/flare rigs and do not have any particular trouble with cruisers |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6052
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Posted - 2015.01.11 22:46:38 -
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I've noticed a rash of threads in GD that should be in other subforums lately.
I wonder if this is a cyclical thing.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
14994
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Posted - 2015.01.11 22:59:50 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I've noticed a rash of threads in GD that should be in other subforums lately.
I wonder if this is a cyclical thing.
My thought is that mods are deliberately slacking ...
... which helps them find out who needs to be banned.
Just a guess, though.
Ralph King-Griffin > **** you sol, years, ****ing years since thats happend
"don't want to lose my bling ship at first attempt on TQ" - Michael Jita, not an alt
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6053
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Posted - 2015.01.11 23:19:30 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I've noticed a rash of threads in GD that should be in other subforums lately.
I wonder if this is a cyclical thing. My thought is that mods are deliberately slacking ... ... which helps them find out who needs to be banned. Just a guess, though.
I'm wondering if the forums are so dead now that questions in the sub-forums simply go unanswered and hence they end up being asked in GD simply because there's more activity here.
(Joke's on them. WE are the activity here and we are terrible people)
Are the in-game chat channels for new players not meeting expectations as well?
Maybe Herr Wilkus was right..
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Sylveria Relden
Relden Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.01.11 23:24:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I'm wondering if the forums are so dead now that questions in the sub-forums simply go unanswered and hence they end up being asked in GD simply because there's more activity here.
Bingo, we have a winner.
Subforums are historically the place threads go to "die", simply because they won't garner an immediate or semi-immediate response typically. So people post in GD (or similar root-based thread) to get a response quicker.
My opinion, of course- but I think it's pretty substantiated.
As to the response time from mods- it's subjective and you have to remember most (if not all) of them are volunteers and probably not 24/7 eyeballing the forums. I'd say be patient and they'll get addressed eventually. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8432
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Posted - 2015.01.11 23:24:18 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I've noticed a rash of threads in GD that should be in other subforums lately.
I wonder if this is a cyclical thing. My thought is that mods are deliberately slacking ... ... which helps them find out who needs to be banned. Just a guess, though. I'm wondering if the forums are so dead now that questions in the sub-forums simply go unanswered and hence they end up being asked in GD simply because there's more activity here. (Joke's on them. WE are the activity here and we are terrible people) Are the in-game chat channels for new players not meeting expectations as well? Maybe Herr Wilkus was right..
Reddit.
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and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
893
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Posted - 2015.01.12 01:17:33 -
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Missions & complexes has plenty of traffic that can easily deal with these style topics.
this fit more or less deletes npc cruisers, maybe 2 shot with low skills.
[Raven, Le Liang]
Signal Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
[empty med slot]
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
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Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
868
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Posted - 2015.01.12 02:07:06 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Webs, target painters and precision cruise missiles.
This.
To see it in action, check out my YouTube channel (linked in my forum signature). It's not much, but I'll be back to uploading soon since the Christmas / New Year holidays are almost over.
Anti's PvE Video Guides - constantly updated
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Serene Repose
2053
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Posted - 2015.01.12 03:15:49 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I've noticed a rash of threads in GD that should be in other subforums lately.
I wonder if this is a cyclical thing. I have a rash. 
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6053
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Posted - 2015.01.12 04:51:33 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I've noticed a rash of threads in GD that should be in other subforums lately.
I wonder if this is a cyclical thing. I have a rash.
You better get it looked at and don't blame me.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs
Jovian Enterprises
15883
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Posted - 2015.01.12 04:54:50 -
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Honestly, I don't see how it's proving to be so difficult- with navy missiles and a TP, it only takes a couple of volleys to kill most cruisers- and with precisions, it isn't bad at all- what are your missile skills and application skills?
A City made of Wood is built in the forest
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains
But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven.
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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
669
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Posted - 2015.01.12 11:16:08 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I've noticed a rash of threads in GD that should be in other subforums lately.
I wonder if this is a cyclical thing. My thought is that mods are deliberately slacking ... ... which helps them find out who needs to be banned. Just a guess, though. I'm wondering if the forums are so dead now that questions in the sub-forums simply go unanswered and hence they end up being asked in GD simply because there's more activity here.
Alternately there are a LOT of relatively new player / new forum users who don't yet know the subtleties of reading what the forum sections are for |
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
741
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Posted - 2015.01.12 13:13:55 -
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Moved to Missions & Complexes from General Discussion
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
741
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Posted - 2015.01.12 13:13:55 -
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Moved to Missions & Complexes from General Discussion
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Bagatur I
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2015.01.12 15:42:49 -
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From my experience and calculations I have done while figuring out a fit for lvl 4 missions for a Raven, many battlecruisers and even some battleships need a little help in explosion and/or target sig radius department in order to apply 100% damage. In other words, get rigor catalysts mods and target painters. My raven has 2 rigor catalysts and 1 target painter (which I replace with something for more shield in higher DPS missions). Then medium drones with your missiles will finish off even elite cruisers rather quickly. |
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