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Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United	Posted - 2006.09.19 05:47:00 - [1] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 19/09/2006 05:50:14 I know some people may not like them, but I think it's hella tight ;) Click here. I'm going to maybe contract myself out for this kind of thing. What kind of rates do you think are fair? Per can used or per letter?
Liegus	Posted - 2006.09.19 05:54:00 - [2] I think most people would be enthusiastic except that more objects in space, is more server and client load, is more lag, is more node crashes, is more annoyance... Maybe in six months you will have a market, or at least an appreciative audience.
Alt Troll	Posted - 2006.09.19 06:11:00 - [3] well done i love can art ____________ FEED me! You know you want to -all posts made on this character represent the views of my main's corp, alliance, as well as the views of everyone else in EVE and in the universe.-
Jinx Barker Gallente Federal Bank	Posted - 2006.09.19 06:12:00 - [4] GMs generally frown upon 'can Art' - because it causes lag. I remember a thread few months ago, on this very forum, where GMs had the prospective 'can artist' remove and ananchor all the cans, or face a ban, specifically due to lag. It was a tearful thread, I tell ya. Looks Ok, though.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United	Posted - 2006.09.19 06:21:00 - [5] I like to call it cantype. Like, skytyping.. only with cans.
lofty29 Gallente Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.19 06:45:00 - [6] My One Was reported for 'lag' about an hour after I finished --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you. I pwnz0r your sig, muahaha - Tirg Noes i got beat by a girl >.< - Xorus
Tachy	Posted - 2006.09.19 06:46:00 - [7] 1x podding per ten stupid cans sounds fair? --==*-- No Thread with this ID This thread does not exist. Go back One page \| Go back to forums
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.19 07:43:00 - [8] If you place the cans in a place where few people ever go, such as a high sec moon in a system a bit off the beaten track, it's OK since you're not creating too much lag. If you place it near a station or stargate you are breaching the EULA. - Three years old
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.09.19 08:12:00 - [9] The funniest one I ever say had EVIL spelled out in cans. And just below it there was one can that was labeled: "Empire - Yeah I'm lazy" WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Moggs Gallente Twisted Attitude	Posted - 2006.09.19 08:12:00 - [10] you spelt NOOB wrong


GM Arkanon	Posted - 2006.09.19 08:55:00 - [11] Edited by: GM Arkanon on 19/09/2006 08:55:49 Hello everyone. I want to alert you to the fact that creating 'can art' is potentially a breach of our EULA. To whit: 7 - CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct 1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System. Leaving a large amount of containers in space can have serious implications for the entire system. I verified this the other day, while investigating a lag complaint. After we removed a can art piece located in the system, it stopped lagging, so I think it't safe to say that it contributed significantly to the lag in the system. We will shortly be publishing a policy regarding this issue, after it has been discussed internally. We would rather not have to take action against any player because of this, as we know that the intention of the players involved are not malicious, but please be aware that the creation of can murals is a breach of our EULA and potentially an actionable offense. GM Arkanon Senior Game Master EVE CSS

Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.19 09:11:00 - [12] I don't know where you operate, but I'm throwing my vote in for setting you to -10KOS for KD. Just in case we run into you. Seriously, do people like you not realize that there are other users on this server cluster? I should have taken Garreck more seriously when he originally said you were a moron. --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period. Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108! byahahahahaha!11 Sig Pwnt - Immy
Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.19 09:13:00 - [13] Originally by: GM Arkanon We would rather not have to take action against any player because of this, as we know that the intention of the players involved are not malicious Drunk drivers don't have malicious intentions when they lose control and smash into people, but that doesn't stop the cops from kicking a drunk's ass the moment he gets behind the wheel. Don't be afraid to *** down. --------------------- Originally by:** Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period. Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108! byahahahahaha!11 Sig Pwnt - Immy
Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.19 09:14:00 - [14] Goddamn filters. --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period. Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108! byahahahahaha!11 Sig Pwnt - Immy
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.09.19 09:21:00 - [15] Originally by: GM Arkanon Leaving a large amount of containers in space can have serious implications for the entire system. I verified this the other day, while investigating a lag complaint. After we removed a can art piece located in the system, it stopped lagging, so I think it't safe to say that it contributed significantly to the lag in the system. If that was the case has anyone (dev/gm/whoever) considered that a complete cleanup of the idle cans left lying around should be done? I remember it was mentioned they were going to do it after a while but nothing ever happened. Given the lag problems right now surely it couldn't hurt to clear up as much of the "junk" that is at least contributing to the current situation? WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United	Posted - 2006.09.19 09:29:00 - [16] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 19/09/2006 09:30:42 So, do you want me to take the cans down then? Also, Nikolai, I don't know what happened to you but you've turned into the biggest jerks around. I think you've probably trolled every other one of my posts and it's sort of old. edit: thanks for finally revealing the source of all this, btw.
Krexus Amarr Reunited	Posted - 2006.09.19 09:34:00 - [17] Yes, al my enemies please put can art near your stations, they make excellent warp in points --------- yes i kill topics They never got me Originally by: Red Knight Your forum-foo is strong
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.19 11:48:00 - [18] Originally by: GM Arkanon Leaving a large amount of containers in space can have serious implications for the entire system. I verified this the other day, while investigating a lag complaint. After we removed a can art piece located in the system, it stopped lagging, so I think it't safe to say that it contributed significantly to the lag in the system. Well put a life on anchored cans then! How many anchored cans haven't been visited for months/years? How many can owners have completely forgotten where they put cans? If a can is anchored, a countdown should start (1 month?). If the can isn't opened after a month, it deteriorates due to space debris impacts and pops. If it is opened, the timer resets. Simple, no?
Twilight Moon Minmatar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.19 11:51:00 - [19] Edited by: Twilight Moon on 19/09/2006 11:50:59 Originally by: Moggs you spelt NOOB wrong No, I think IIRC that their corp ticker is "NEWBY" ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative. Anyone Recruiting? 8m SP PvP Character looking for a new home, for a life as a pirate.
TheDeceit Minmatar Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.19 12:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I don't know where you operate, but I'm throwing my vote in for setting you to -10KOS for KD. Just in case we run into you. Seriously, do people like you not realize that there are other users on this server cluster? I should have taken Garreck more seriously when he originally said you were a moron. Bad day? My person favorite is Linkage. --------

Fr3nzi Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.19 12:16:00 - [21] Originally by: TheDeceit Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I don't know where you operate, but I'm throwing my vote in for setting you to -10KOS for KD. Just in case we run into you. Seriously, do people like you not realize that there are other users on this server cluster? I should have taken Garreck more seriously when he originally said you were a moron. Bad day? My person favorite is Linkage. ^^ That one was Photoshopped as was admitted by its creator
Julien Derida Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.19 12:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Fr3nzi ^^ That one was Photoshopped as was admitted by its creator Untrue. You can see the remains of the sculpture at Josameto 3 Moon 1. It doesn't look quite how it used to, as it was ineptly vandalised by a member of Big Blue during our war with them. <3 Hinik ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
hendo001 Caldari Quantum Tech Mining	Posted - 2006.09.19 12:26:00 - [23] QTM took down a huge K - O sign in cans in the arvasaras system in lonetrek, we got war dec'd by them then removed their cans and sent them a bill for removal. We had even asked them politly via evemail to remove it then a few days later we got a war dec. So we took em down, less lag in arvasaras. Visit the QTM forums Linkage
monoRAIL Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.19 12:28:00 - [24] Originally by: GM Arkanon I verified this the other day, while investigating a lag complaint. After we removed a can art piece located in the system, it stopped lagging, so I think it't safe to say that it contributed significantly to the lag in the system. Just because the lag reduced after the cans were removed does not prove that the cans caused the lag. It shows that cans MAY cause lag, but does not prove that they are the main cause. There may have been many other factors involved in the lag that you were not aware of. I have often left hundreds of cans in a system after ratting for a few hours and seen no appreciable lag develop. Sign art would only be a breach of the EULA if you can conclusively PROVE that the cans are responsible for the lag
Estelle Matsuko Caldari The Beiatch Corp Inc	Posted - 2006.09.19 12:34:00 - [25] Originally by: GM Arkanon Edited by: GM Arkanon on 19/09/2006 08:55:49 Hello everyone. I want to alert you to the fact that creating 'can art' is potentially a breach of our EULA. To whit: 7 - CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct 1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System. Leaving a large amount of containers in space can have serious implications for the entire system. I verified this the other day, while investigating a lag complaint. After we removed a can art piece located in the system, it stopped lagging, so I think it't safe to say that it contributed significantly to the lag in the system. We will shortly be publishing a policy regarding this issue, after it has been discussed internally. We would rather not have to take action against any player because of this, as we know that the intention of the players involved are not malicious, but please be aware that the creation of can murals is a breach of our EULA and potentially an actionable offense. Does this mean that the hundreds of pilots involved every weekend in attacking or defending POS¦s and systems in 0.0 thereby crashing nodes are in breach of the eula? Can we petition? They KNOW it¦s going to lag out or crash the servers, yet they still do it(against point 7.A.1)
Something Random Gallente Crusader Naval Technologies Lmtd	Posted - 2006.09.19 12:36:00 - [26] Originally by: Fr3nzi My person favorite is Linkage. ^^ That one was Photoshopped as was admitted by its creator No it wasnt, i visited it and saw it as it was just like that... except i saw white can markers of course.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.09.19 12:43:00 - [27] Originally by: Estelle Matsuko Does this mean that the hundreds of pilots involved every weekend in attacking or defending POS¦s and systems in 0.0 thereby crashing nodes are in breach of the eula? Can we petition? They KNOW it¦s going to lag out or crash the servers, yet they still do it(against point 7.A.1) The EULA is worded in such a way that logging on is a severe breach of the EULA. Thats typical for legal documents. If EULAs and contracts would be that conclusive and unquestionable as many people want you to believe, where do you think do those hordes of lawyers come from? ;)
Zaphod Jones Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.19 12:45:00 - [28] Originally by: Argenton Sayvers .... where do you think do those hordes of lawyers come from? ;) um...Corby or maybe Slough
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.19 12:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 19/09/2006 05:50:14 I know some people may not like them, but I think it's hella tight ;) Picture Click here. I'm going to maybe contract myself out for this kind of thing. What kind of rates do you think are fair? Per can used or per letter? Please don't post pictures on the forums - link them instead - Serathu ([email protected]) I fully endorse this product and/or service. ---------- Nerf Caldaro!
Rahn Sohwant	Posted - 2006.09.19 13:04:00 - [30] What I'd like to know is what kind of resources are being wasted on the thousands of abandoned drones scattered all over mission spots. Pick a system with a good abount of traffic and turn on combat drones on your scanner... literally hundreds of drones all over the place with no ships of any sort anywhere near them. After spotting 5 Hammerhead IIs yesterday I started thinking it might be worth training up scan probes to go retrieve them.

TheDeceit Minmatar Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.19 13:24:00 - [31] Originally by: Something Random Originally by: Fr3nzi My person favorite is Linkage. ^^ That one was Photoshopped as was admitted by its creator No it wasnt, i visited it and saw it as it was just like that... except i saw white can markers of course. Yeah they were blue to me, it was pretty sweet looking. Sorry about the small picture, I must've deleted the bigger one I had, but that is actually my old explorin' vigil. --------
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.09.19 13:40:00 - [32] Link Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Spaja Saist Gallente Isotope Industries	Posted - 2006.09.19 16:09:00 - [33] If you are so bored that you need to spend time making can art and lagging the rest of us out do the eve community a favor and quit.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden	Posted - 2006.09.19 17:36:00 - [34] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 19/09/2006 17:37:59 Originally by: Estelle Matsuko Originally by: GM Arkanon Edited by: GM Arkanon on 19/09/2006 08:55:49 Hello everyone. I want to alert you to the fact that creating 'can art' is potentially a breach of our EULA. To whit: 7 - CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct 1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System. Can Art is fun to be admired at. This is as useless as domino's falls :) Leaving a large amount of containers in space can have serious implications for the entire system. I verified this the other day, while investigating a lag complaint. After we removed a can art piece located in the system, it stopped lagging, so I think it't safe to say that it contributed significantly to the lag in the system. We will shortly be publishing a policy regarding this issue, after it has been discussed internally. We would rather not have to take action against any player because of this, as we know that the intention of the players involved are not malicious, but please be aware that the creation of can murals is a breach of our EULA and potentially an actionable offense. Does this mean that the hundreds of pilots involved every weekend in attacking or defending POS¦s and systems in 0.0 thereby crashing nodes are in breach of the eula? Can we petition? They KNOW it¦s going to lag out or crash the servers, yet they still do it(against point 7.A.1) +1 but that's how the game is meant to be played. Can Art is not. Like insta, anchoring cans was not game-designed to make pictures but players did... Anyway, I'd like to hear what ccp have to reply to you because the EULA is not clear about this particular point.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United	Posted - 2006.09.19 21:57:00 - [35] So, I just warped to where my cans are supposed to be, and they're invisible. I still see all of them on the scanner, but for some reason I can't visually see them. I saw them for a flash second and then they were gone.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United	Posted - 2006.09.19 22:04:00 - [36] Also, they're showing up as not in range. What's going on? I should be able to see them, but I can't. Wow I'm confused.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved	Posted - 2006.09.19 22:27:00 - [37] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Also, they're showing up as not in range. What's going on? I should be able to see them, but I can't. Wow I'm confused. Off grid =================================== Above comments are my personal views, and do not represent my corporation or alliance, unless otherwise indicated
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United	Posted - 2006.09.19 23:54:00 - [38] Originally by: hydraSlav Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Also, they're showing up as not in range. What's going on? I should be able to see them, but I can't. Wow I'm confused. Off grid Well, I have to say, that's weird. They're INVISIBLE. They show up on scanner in 500 but don't show up on the grid, but don't show up on the screen.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.09.20 00:01:00 - [39] Originally by: TheDeceit Originally by: Something Random Originally by: Fr3nzi My person favorite is Linkage. ^^ That one was Photoshopped as was admitted by its creator No it wasnt, i visited it and saw it as it was just like that... except i saw white can markers of course. Yeah they were blue to me, it was pretty sweet looking. Sorry about the small picture, I must've deleted the bigger one I had, but that is actually my old explorin' vigil. I wasn't blue to them at the time, but here's a bigger picture anyways. Linkage ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2006.09.20 00:13:00 - [40] Originally by: Rahn Sohwant What I'd like to know is what kind of resources are being wasted on the thousands of abandoned drones scattered all over mission spots. Pick a system with a good abount of traffic and turn on combat drones on your scanner... literally hundreds of drones all over the place with no ships of any sort anywhere near them. After spotting 5 Hammerhead IIs yesterday I started thinking it might be worth training up scan probes to go retrieve them. If scan probes would let you scan for drones, it would. Alas, they don't. This is actually one of my favorite salvage activities, though. If I scan a cluster of tech II drones that's not too far off the ecliptic, I can usually scan them down to a spot within a few hours fast microwarpdriving. Then I'll set a fast ship to it while I need to be AFK. It's hard to do, but a real rush when all that lovely salvage pops into view on the grid. However fun it may be, though, it's really not worth the time and effort economically, because at most you're usually chasing five tech II drones, and it can be hours of work to find 'em without scan probes.

DefJam101	Posted - 2006.09.20 00:19:00 - [41] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: GM Arkanon We would rather not have to take action against any player because of this, as we know that the intention of the players involved are not malicious Drunk drivers don't have malicious intentions when they lose control and smash into people, but that doesn't stop the cops from kicking a drunk's ass the moment he gets behind the wheel. Don't be afraid to ***** down. Are you defending drunk driving? >:( Nice job buddy
Drokar Gazer ChAoTiC UnDeRvErSe	Posted - 2006.09.20 00:28:00 - [42] This is EVE dammit. This is NOT MS Paint. Get over it. Im sick of this crap littered all over eve as it is.. it ruins the RP aspect of the game and looks lame. It should be banable offense for doing in the first place and lights are even worse idea. NO THANKS. ________________________________________ Drokar Gazer Chaotic Underverse [KURSE] Keep What You Kill.
Rajon Kelper Omacron Militia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.20 00:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Drokar Gazer This is EVE dammit. This is NOT MS Paint. Get over it. Im sick of this crap littered all over eve as it is.. it ruins the RP aspect of the game and looks lame. It should be banable offense for doing in the first place and lights are even worse idea. NO THANKS. Most EVE players arent RPers, thanks... not saying you guys dont matter, but what if can art is just as important an aspect of the game to someone as RPing is to you? --------------------------------------------------- "The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving."
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.20 01:03:00 - [44] Can art is fine as long as you don't put it at a station or gate. Put it at a moon instead, and the GMs are fine with it. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Phrixus Zephyr Singularity.	Posted - 2006.09.20 01:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: GM Arkanon We would rather not have to take action against any player because of this, as we know that the intention of the players involved are not malicious Drunk drivers don't have malicious intentions when they lose control and smash into people, but that doesn't stop the cops from kicking a drunk's ass the moment he gets behind the wheel. Don't be afraid to *** down. Yeah this analogy applies because he killed anyone? Get a ***** grip.
Audrea Widowmakers Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.09.20 01:54:00 - [46] There is an easy solution for Can art lag: Make the art in some safe spot, and then leave shuttle called Can Art Here nearby. Make it within 1.5AU of hub gate, and now people can use cheapest scan probes to have a look :) Will add nice part of exploration to eve ------------------ Tired of fleet combat lag? -Post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
Acinonyx Jubatus International Multi-Player Consortium	Posted - 2006.09.20 02:20:00 - [47] Originally by: Rahn Sohwant What I'd like to know is what kind of resources are being wasted on the thousands of abandoned drones scattered all over mission spots. Pick a system with a good abount of traffic and turn on combat drones on your scanner... literally hundreds of drones all over the place with no ships of any sort anywhere near them. After spotting 5 Hammerhead IIs yesterday I started thinking it might be worth training up scan probes to go retrieve them. Heh, this reminds me, one day I was out practically alone in a system, no real traffic, 3 people in local at the time and had been for awhile, I knew one was in a station, and wasn't sure where the other was, but never showed up on scanner. So, I hit scan, took awhile as it usually does... And what am I greeted by? around 20 or more combat drones, just sitting around in the middle of space.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United	Posted - 2006.09.20 03:13:00 - [48] OMGosh scan probes are SO MUCH FUN!
Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.20 03:33:00 - [49] Originally by: Spaja Saist If you are so bored that you need to spend time making can art and lagging the rest of us out do the eve community a favor and quit. am saddened and disgusted that you haven't been banned from eve yet for you immaturity... if it lags the servers that sucks. have always thought that there was something weird about how bm's in cans and mass cans off grid can affect people. why are all those packets being sent to client (bm's inside cans)? would be better if client just took the hit when they opened it. __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now Stealth Bomber Tweaks
Pika Boom	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:09:00 - [50] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Originally by: TheDeceit Originally by: Something Random Originally by: Fr3nzi My person favorite is Linkage. ^^ That one was Photoshopped as was admitted by its creator No it wasnt, i visited it and saw it as it was just like that... except i saw white can markers of course. Yeah they were blue to me, it was pretty sweet looking. Sorry about the small picture, I must've deleted the bigger one I had, but that is actually my old explorin' vigil. I wasn't blue to them at the time, but here's a bigger picture anyways. Linkage Amazing how after the postings about hey this is an eula violation and such that it's still there. although the head looks like pacman. now.

Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:14:00 - [51] Originally by: GM Arkanon Edited by: GM Arkanon on 19/09/2006 08:55:49 Hello everyone. I want to alert you to the fact that creating 'can art' is potentially a breach of our EULA. To whit: 7 - CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct 1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System. Leaving a large amount of containers in space can have serious implications for the entire system. I verified this the other day, while investigating a lag complaint. After we removed a can art piece located in the system, it stopped lagging, so I think it't safe to say that it contributed significantly to the lag in the system. We will shortly be publishing a policy regarding this issue, after it has been discussed internally. We would rather not have to take action against any player because of this, as we know that the intention of the players involved are not malicious, but please be aware that the creation of can murals is a breach of our EULA and potentially an actionable offense. Sooooo..... How will this apply to the many abandoned anchored cans in high-sec, where the players aren't even active anymore, and nobody can remove them? Drones are no big deal, you can scan/scoop them out no problem. But the cans are basically permanent lag bombs right now when you warp to a popular old belt.
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:18:00 - [52] Originally by: Marlenus Originally by: Rahn Sohwant What I'd like to know is what kind of resources are being wasted on the thousands of abandoned drones scattered all over mission spots. Pick a system with a good abount of traffic and turn on combat drones on your scanner... literally hundreds of drones all over the place with no ships of any sort anywhere near them. After spotting 5 Hammerhead IIs yesterday I started thinking it might be worth training up scan probes to go retrieve them. If scan probes would let you scan for drones, it would. Alas, they don't. This is actually one of my favorite salvage activities, though. If I scan a cluster of tech II drones that's not too far off the ecliptic, I can usually scan them down to a spot within a few hours fast microwarpdriving. Then I'll set a fast ship to it while I need to be AFK. It's hard to do, but a real rush when all that lovely salvage pops into view on the grid. However fun it may be, though, it's really not worth the time and effort economically, because at most you're usually chasing five tech II drones, and it can be hours of work to find 'em without scan probes. I haven't done it in a long time, but I USED to scan/scoop drones all the time. Used to get piles of them. When did it stop working?
Hack Causality	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:48:00 - [53] Originally by: GM Arkanon Edited by: GM Arkanon on 19/09/2006 08:55:49 Hello everyone. I want to alert you to the fact that creating 'can art' is potentially a breach of our EULA. To whit: 7 - CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct 1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System. Leaving a large amount of containers in space can have serious implications for the entire system. I verified this the other day, while investigating a lag complaint. After we removed a can art piece located in the system, it stopped lagging, so I think it't safe to say that it contributed significantly to the lag in the system. We will shortly be publishing a policy regarding this issue, after it has been discussed internally. We would rather not have to take action against any player because of this, as we know that the intention of the players involved are not malicious, but please be aware that the creation of can murals is a breach of our EULA and potentially an actionable offense. My personal favorite can art: (NSFW) http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0608/nasty_can_art.jpg Back when I first joined, there was a Dev-sponsored can art competition. Now that eve's strained servers can't keep up with the massive number of people online it suddenly goes from an amusing activity for all to a EULA violation. Gotta love that flexible legalese! If you spam a system with hundreds of cans in a completely random array, it's ignored. If you put hundreds of cans into a picture or words, it becomes a lag-creating eula violation. If I find a viewpoint from which the thousands of cans in these belts form a picture, can I get a GM to remove them? [/sarcasm]
Chaos Incarnate	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:50:00 - [54] Originally by: Pika Boom Amazing how after the postings about hey this is an eula violation and such that it's still there. although the head looks like pacman. now. Thread necros are a shameful practice.
Satsuki Kakuri	Posted - 2007.07.31 04:23:00 - [55] So when is CCP gonna do about all the 100s... if not 1000s of cans floating around the systems where they took out the asteriod belts. Or all the ones people forgot they knew they had. I bet those are causing more lag then some can art at an out of the way spot. (abandoned high sec ice fields to name one area)
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.31 04:46:00 - [56] Originally by: GM Arkanon Edited by: GM Arkanon on 19/09/2006 08:55:49 Hello everyone. I want to alert you to the fact that creating 'can art' is potentially a breach of our EULA. To whit: 7 - CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct 1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System. Leaving a large amount of containers in space can have serious implications for the entire system. I verified this the other day, while investigating a lag complaint. After we removed a can art piece located in the system, it stopped lagging, so I think it't safe to say that it contributed significantly to the lag in the system. We will shortly be publishing a policy regarding this issue, after it has been discussed internally. We would rather not have to take action against any player because of this, as we know that the intention of the players involved are not malicious, but please be aware that the creation of can murals is a breach of our EULA and potentially an actionable offense. If can art lags a system so horribly, then all the PERMANENTLY ANCHORED CANS in all the high sec areas need to be removed as well. There has to be a TON of old/unused, and even currently used secure cans anchored in all the different high sec systems being put to no good use in particular. Furthermore there are cans all over the place that amount to nothing more than space grafitti whos sole purpose is to display a message. If you're going to nerf can art, get rid of the rest of the cans as well. It's impacting my game play when I warp into a belt in a .5 system trying to engage a war target and I lag out because there are so many cans in the belt. Originally by: Goumindong it is at the point where it is impossible to determine whether or not you are trolling or if you area really out of your freaking mind.
Mad Maynard Figurehead Inc	Posted - 2007.07.31 05:10:00 - [57] To anyone who is interested, the can art in question is located in the EBO system, if memory serves.
Kylegar Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.31 05:18:00 - [58] Can Art is an Effective way to leave your mark upon EVE...as laggy as it is.
Zepher8062	Posted - 2007.08.24 06:14:00 - [59] Some of you mentioned that a cleanup of the cans would be useful. Well some of the cans are years old and soem are only hours old, how would we differentiate between them. How about a 30 day limit on the cans (or possibly 7 days) They are cheap enough as it is so its not like buying a can every week is gonna make you go broke We already have logs in most of the cans, just add something like that, that will pop the can after 7 days or so. (maybe a mail to be sent to you after 6 would even be cool)
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.24 06:21:00 - [60] very cool :) I think timers that would make them go down at downtime would let people make can art in the same way that people make ice sculptures :) ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...

Major Stallion Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.24 07:25:00 - [61] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 19/09/2006 05:50:14 I know some people may not like them, but I think it's hella tight ;) Picture Click here. I'm going to maybe contract myself out for this kind of thing. What kind of rates do you think are fair? Per can used or per letter? Please don't post pictures on the forums - link them instead - Serathu ([email protected]) this kind of stuff should be a bannable offense. ________________________________ High Sec PvP Originally by: "Wylker" CCP has finally mastered stupidity
Komen Gallente Industrial Services INC	Posted - 2007.08.24 07:54:00 - [62] Originally by: monoRAIL Originally by: GM Arkanon I verified this the other day, while investigating a lag complaint. After we removed a can art piece located in the system, it stopped lagging, so I think it't safe to say that it contributed significantly to the lag in the system. Just because the lag reduced after the cans were removed does not prove that the cans caused the lag. It shows that cans MAY cause lag, but does not prove that they are the main cause. There may have been many other factors involved in the lag that you were not aware of. I have often left hundreds of cans in a system after ratting for a few hours and seen no appreciable lag develop. Sign art would only be a breach of the EULA if you can conclusively PROVE that the cans are responsible for the lag Visit any ice belt in empire, I triple dog dare you. Witness the crushing lag as hundreds of anchored and probably mostly unused cans are on grid with you. That said, anywhere ELSE in the same system, it doesn't seem to have the same effect. But on-grid, you'll be lucky to see a slide show. ___________________________________ Wielder of the Trout of Doom(tm)! ___________________________________
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.08.24 08:10:00 - [63] Originally by: GM Arkanon Edited by: GM Arkanon on 19/09/2006 08:55:49 Hello everyone. I want to alert you to the fact that creating 'can art' is potentially a breach of our EULA. To whit: 7 - CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct 1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System. Leaving a large amount of containers in space can have serious implications for the entire system. I verified this the other day, while investigating a lag complaint. After we removed a can art piece located in the system, it stopped lagging, so I think it't safe to say that it contributed significantly to the lag in the system. We will shortly be publishing a policy regarding this issue, after it has been discussed internally. We would rather not have to take action against any player because of this, as we know that the intention of the players involved are not malicious, but please be aware that the creation of can murals is a breach of our EULA and potentially an actionable offense. please clean up all secure cans in high sec. please please please
NereSky Gallente Domination. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.24 08:21:00 - [64] Tbh some can art is well err art others well lets just say not so good the MC's shark was awesome before it was altered, maybe CCP could make 1 system where people can do their can art legal like or summat , could become a tourist point :) suppose its a bit like graffiti , you prob can never stop it but you can control it. anyway thats my 2 cents :)


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