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Ching Ling
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.19 19:33:00 -
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Hey, I've been doing a lot of lvl 3 missions without problems. Now I am getting prepared for lvl 4, and I heard that the Domi and Raven are the most popular ships for lvl 4 missions.
But I can't quite decide which path to go, I guess each ship has specific skill trees and mods (Raven: Caldari BS, Missiles, Shield) (Dominix: Gallente BS, Drones, Armor). Now I don't believe there's a "best ship for missions" but can you experienced vets give me a rundown of what to expect from each of these approaches?
Right now I have a Domi ship, Drones V, Gallente BS III and a faction set of armor tanking mods. But right now I am enjoying doing lvl 3 in my Ferox, I seem to like missiles better.
I would judge a ship according to the 3 factors: Risk (not loosing the ship to NPCs), economy (ISK/hour) and fun. Can someone tell me the pros and cons of using either ship? Thanks.
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tiller
Beer and Kebabs
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.19 19:38:00 -
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If you think your gonna stick with PVE then go raven. You can choose your range, choose your dmg type and make isk fast.
I suspect a dom is a fair bit slower and will be alot tougher to pilot.
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Onin Ra
Trail of Tears
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Posted - 2006.09.19 20:08:00 -
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 Originally by: tiller
If you think your gonna stick with PVE then go raven. You can choose your range, choose your dmg type and make isk fast.
I suspect a dom is a fair bit slower and will be alot tougher to pilot.
Well its not really much harder to pilot. Just have to watch your drones.
But Raven is defo better choice. Takes longer to do missions in Domi for me at leatst.
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Ching Ling
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.19 20:29:00 -
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I kinda like missiles, as long as you're in range you'll never miss (except for the NPC defenders). The downside with the Domi is you can use only guns. My gun skills suck and if I'm not in optimal or if my guns are not the right size I do zilch damage.
And I am biased towards shield tanking, although I believe armor tanking is as good if done properly.
I just trained for Drones V so I'll see how my drones are doing before I commit to a ship.
Another question: Is it good to change ships, or switch between shield/armor tanking based on rat damage types?
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Rhuu
Gallente
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2006.09.19 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ching Ling
...Another question: Is it good to change ships, or switch between shield/armor tanking based on rat damage types?
Absolutely. I shield tank angels in my dominix, and armor tank sanshas.
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Rannoc
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Posted - 2006.09.19 21:14:00 -
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I am currently flying a Domi for lvl4 missions. So far I have found only one mission I cannot do solo. From what I read every agent has a WTFPWNDU mission that you just need to turn down when it comes up. At times I think the Domi is slower then a Raven in completing missions but its not too bad.
One thing I like is for the most part I do not use up any ammo. My guns are just to get agro or help deal with named NPCs. The smart bomb removes frigs in no time. My drone skills are level 4 except for Drone which is 5. As you can see in my fitting bellow I am an armor tank and so far only the WTFPWNDU mission has been able to break it. Works well for me but its all in how you train your skills.
--Rannoc
==[ DOMINIX-CURRENT ]==
HIGH-SLOTS :
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- Small Tractor Beam I
- Large Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I
- Drone Link Augmentor I
- Drone Link Augmentor I
- 425mm Railgun I [40xLead Charge L]
- 425mm Railgun I [40xLead Charge L]
MED-SLOTS :
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- Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
- Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
- Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
- Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
- Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
LOW-SLOTS :
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- Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
- 1600mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I
- Radioisotope Kinetic Hardener I
- Radioisotope Kinetic Hardener I
- Radioisotope Thermic Hardener I
- Radioisotope Thermic Hardener I
- Radioisotope Adaptive Nano Membrane I
DRONE BAY :
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- Wasp I (Heavy Attack Drone)
- Garde I (Sentry Drone)
- Warrior I (Light Scout Drone)
- Hammerhead I (Medium Scout Drone)
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Ching Ling
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.19 23:01:00 -
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Very nice setup there Rannoc, so you are getting away with T1 fittings? Most mission runners I know use T2 or faction mods...
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Krav
Egad Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.19 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rannoc
==[ DOMINIX-CURRENT ]==
HIGH-SLOTS :
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- Small Tractor Beam I
- Large Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I
- Drone Link Augmentor I
- Drone Link Augmentor I
- 425mm Railgun I [40xLead Charge L]
- 425mm Railgun I [40xLead Charge L]
MED-SLOTS :
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- Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
- Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
- Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
- Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
- Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
LOW-SLOTS :
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- Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
- 1600mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I
- Radioisotope Kinetic Hardener I
- Radioisotope Kinetic Hardener I
- Radioisotope Thermic Hardener I
- Radioisotope Thermic Hardener I
- Radioisotope Adaptive Nano Membrane I
DRONE BAY :
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- Wasp I (Heavy Attack Drone)
- Garde I (Sentry Drone)
- Warrior I (Light Scout Drone)
- Hammerhead I (Medium Scout Drone)
You should, if you have not already, give serious thought to the use of one or two omnidirectional tracking links. They greatly enhance the effectiveness of my drones, especially my warden sentries, but somewhat also my medium scouts.
And remember, resists are always greater in pve than hp. Plates are a waste of space imo, because instead you can put a cap power relay in. Then you get an almost free 20% extra cap recharge (you do use a low slot), and you lose 18% per euclidic (which is better than what you are currently using) you drop for aforementioned drone tracking link-- you could (with 1 omni link), end up with more cap AND better dmging drones.
I have the suspicion you used a plate because sometimes the armor rep can't keep up with the incoming dmg, and wanted to buy extra time. But on the other hand you are fitted 2 active kin / therm each plus a passive bonus to all 4 dmg types. Fighting guristas you'd have to get some serious aggro to counteract those resists + a large rep. I know it happens when I armor tank angels for example, but guristas, not so much.
Some thoughts. Any fitting will probably require a change in tactics as you encounter different rats, beyond just using different hardeners. So there's always gotta be room for change.
Krav
P.S. the only time I've found a smartbomb helpful is fighting serpentis-- if that is what this setup is for, why do you need such a long drone control range? Their bs's are split between blasters and railguns. I don't remember what the railgun BS's orbit at, but 65 km (one augment) should be more than enough (+ extra drone range from ew drone skill) is my general feeling.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Nova Republic
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Posted - 2006.09.20 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ching Ling
Another question: Is it good to change ships, or switch between shield/armor tanking based on rat damage types?
Absolutely. When you need to go off-road a Dominix is your Jeep Cherokee. But if you need to drop the kids off at daycare, shop for groceries, take the dog for grooming, the Raven is your Lexus RS400.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.20 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ching Ling
Now I don't believe there's a "best ship for missions" but can you experienced vets give me a rundown of what to expect from each of these approaches?
Oh but there is. Raven is superior by quite a margin.
Originally by: Ching Ling
Very nice setup there Rannoc, so you are getting away with T1 fittings? Most mission runners I know use T2 or faction mods...
People don't use T2/faction because without it they couldn't do missions. I am fairly certain I could do any mission except EA 5/5 with T1 stuff too. The high end equipment just allows you to do the missions MUCH faster. And isk/time what it is all about for most. And in that regard the Raven is pretty much unbeatable. So if you intend to stick with missions for a while, the Raven route is definitely worth it, and it is pretty fast training too.
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Temppist
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Posted - 2006.09.20 10:47:00 -
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So what are all your drone skills??
If you only have Drones V and Gall-BS3 your not even close to what an Average Raven pilot has for drone skills.
No matter which ship you deside on you need to have drones skills higher (mainly support for Raven for frigates/cruisers).
I found that once CCP gave us Sentry drones the Domi really got better, still the Raven is designed as a great Mission ship (except damn cargo bay needs a little boost for all the ammo).
I fly the Domi for most missions and Raven when I need it or want a change of pace.
With medium or light drones out to kill off the frigates then dump the sentries to help you with the BSes you can clear a mission pretty fast compared to before the sentries were seeded.
I agree with getting the Omni on the Domi also, never had any problem with only 1 link Augmenter on the ship.
Also Dunp the tractor beam!! I mean why do loot pickup in a bus? You BM the spot seal the deal with the agent and head back with a cruiser/destroyer with 4 tractors fitted your pickup time is dropped to 1/3 the time. The high slot is better used for another weapon or Drone mod.
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Rannoc
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Posted - 2006.09.20 14:31:00 -
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To Krav:
"give serious thought to the use of one or two omnidirectional tracking links"
-- Yep I plan on it once I have Tracectory III.
"Plates are a waste of space imo, because instead you can put a cap power relay in"
-- Resist > HP but both is better then either. Having the plate gives me the HP to last long enough to turn fights around. I know this from experience and trying out MANY different fittings. If I need to add a CPR after putting in an Omni, I would sooner drop the Adeptive then the plate. Resists are 84.66% with it and 81.62 without.
"Fighting guristas you'd have to get some serious aggro to counteract those resists + a large rep."
-- As you have noted my resist would suck vs guristas but in fact I have never run into a guristas. Yes my current setup is for serpentis. And yes I change me fittings to fit the mission. I would think that would go without needing to say it.
"why do you need such a long drone control range?"
-- At first I had the second one for max Warden range and in some missions I swap my Garde for Wardens still. At times I found it useful to have the long drone range for pulling. In the mission Vengeance I can pull the named bos who MWD to me and have time to kill him before his private fleet can get into range.
--Rannoc
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Rannoc
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Posted - 2006.09.20 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Temppist
So what are all your drone skills??
If you only have Drones V and Gall-BS3 your not even close to what an Average Raven pilot has for drone skills.
No matter which ship you deside on you need to have drones skills higher (mainly support for Raven for frigates/cruisers).
I found that once CCP gave us Sentry drones the Domi really got better, still the Raven is designed as a great Mission ship (except damn cargo bay needs a little boost for all the ammo).
I fly the Domi for most missions and Raven when I need it or want a change of pace.
With medium or light drones out to kill off the frigates then dump the sentries to help you with the BSes you can clear a mission pretty fast compared to before the sentries were seeded.
I agree with getting the Omni on the Domi also, never had any problem with only 1 link Augmenter on the ship.
Also Dunp the tractor beam!! I mean why do loot pickup in a bus? You BM the spot seal the deal with the agent and head back with a cruiser/destroyer with 4 tractors fitted your pickup time is dropped to 1/3 the time. The high slot is better used for another weapon or Drone mod.
All tech1 drone skills are 4 except Drone which is 5. All in all folks I was just giving an example of a Domi that can do level4 mission. No tech2, no faction named gear. I am not claiming this to be uber or best of the best of the best. Just that with good skills even a tech1 fitted Domi can do lvl 4 mission.
Why loot in a Bus? because I want something to do while my drones fight. Extra gun really does not buy ME anything since I normally fire a few times then turn my guns off to save cap and ammo. Drones are my damage and I am there tank. Other then Drone Link I do not know of any Drone mod to fit in a BS high slot.
--Rannoc
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Areconus
Caldari
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:10:00 -
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"People don't use T2/faction because without it they couldn't do missions"
I think you meant, people don't use t2/faction because without it they could do missions
Gloria Stitz-
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aethyl
Minmatar
Dawnwalkers
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:45:00 -
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Ive done them in both, but I'd go with the raven since so many missions seem to have one part were you can't launch drones without agroing the rest of the stage.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.20 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Areconus
"People don't use T2/faction because without it they couldn't do missions"
I think you meant, people don't use t2/faction because without it they could do missions
No, I meant people dont use it because without it they couldn't do missions, but because without it they would take much longer to finish them. Probably badly put, it is much clearer in German and I was too lazy to come up with the proper way to put it in English at that time :P
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LogixCraft
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Posted - 2006.09.21 00:44:00 -
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I use my Domi for lvl 4 and it does great so far I'm still tweaking it but I'm happy with it.
my setup is as follows atm, (mordus headhunters lvl 4 solo setup)
High:
4 Heavy NOS, 3 E500 prototypes, 1 Knave.
2 Drone Links.
Med:
Sensor Booster 1
3 Eutectic 1 capacitor charge array
1 Capacitor recharger 1
Low:
Large "accommodation vestment reconstructer 1
True Sansha armour thermic hardener
Shadow Serpentis armour kinetic hardner
2 N-type Kinetic Hardeners
2 N-type Thermic hardeners
Drones:
5 hammerhead II
12 orge I
mhaw ha ha ha ha.....someone help my wallet please.....
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Areconus
Caldari
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.21 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Originally by: Areconus
"People don't use T2/faction because without it they couldn't do missions"
I think you meant, people don't use t2/faction because without it they could do missions
No, I meant people dont use it because without it they couldn't do missions, but because without it they would take much longer to finish them. Probably badly put, it is much clearer in German and I was too lazy to come up with the proper way to put it in English at that time :P
Lol, i see, but yea from an english perspective it basiically looks like your saying people dont use t2/faction, but they cant do missions without t2/faction....in other words they cant do missions lol
Gloria Stitz-
"Try not to bring reality in to these forums
Otherwise we might take the game seriously" |
Stylom
Gallente
Galactic Shipyards Inc
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.09.21 11:33:00 -
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If you want to fly a dom (or a raven for that matter) skills will be the key. Just looking at the drone skills you need to be think maybe 5 or 6 months of training time to really get the slow old dom skipping through the missions.
Specifically, in my opinion you really need Battleship V and Dorne Interfacing V to be able to run a drone boat set up well. In terms of training time you may get the same damge per drone by taking up some of the specialist skills level III... but sooner or later you need to take the plunge and get the big accross the board damage increases under your belt.
Maxing out the the secondary drone skills like; Navigation, Sharpshooter and Durability will potentially save you fitting drone upgrade mods for really tough missions when you need as many slots free for your tank as you can.
My high slots always have a question mark around them as I really have very limited gunnery skills, hence tend to juggle things like Nost, attention grabbing rails or some werid mixture of tractor beams, smartbombs, drone upgrades.
Not ideal advice I know.....I guess like most things in eve, if you want to do it well it takes time & once you decide try and train things that give you benefit fastest.
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