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tarin adur	Posted - 2006.09.19 23:07:00 - [1] need help getting a good brutix set-up going,any ideas at all would do as i have no idea what to do,also try to keep things cheap as i have a limited budget and not very good skills
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.19 23:18:00 - [2] Brutix is a very skill intensive ship, without good skills and Tech II it won't be very useful for anything but PVE. Join Tharsis! - Get Sexy Sigs
tarin adur	Posted - 2006.09.19 23:29:00 - [3] well regardless,still tell me any set-ups you can as i can train into them,and i my skills aren't all entirely bad,so just shoot
tarin adur	Posted - 2006.09.19 23:31:00 - [4] well regardless,still tell me any set-ups you can as i can train into them,and i my skills aren't all entirely bad,so just shoot
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.19 23:45:00 - [5] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xVoid M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xVoid M] 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I [1xCap Booster 800] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 5 x Medium T2 Drones Join Tharsis! - Get Sexy Sigs
Aegis Osiris Gallente Demonic Retribution Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.20 00:05:00 - [6] I think your idea of cheap and lower skills differs from the OP's there champ :) Good news is Tarin, that you can swap the fitting above for the best tech 1 you have/can afford, and it will work ok. Swap electrons for ions where possible for damage, and consider swapping a gun for a medium nos (if this is a pvp rig), though the medium booster will do the job cap wise. Have fun :) ________________________________________________ This thread does not exist
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.20 00:14:00 - [7] Originally by: tarin adur well regardless,still tell me any set-ups you can as i can train into them,and i my skills aren't all entirely bad,so just shoot I don't think so, I'm giving him something to train into, I don't consider that a non-skill intensive ship. Join Tharsis! - Get Sexy Sigs
CherniyVolk	Posted - 2006.09.20 00:31:00 - [8] [HIGH SLOTS] Heavy Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid M/Null M] Heavy Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid M/Null M] Heavy Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid M/Null M] Heavy Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid M/Null M] Heavy Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid M/Null M] Heavy Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid M/Null M] Small Diminishing NOS [MID SLOTS] Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II [LOW SLOTS] Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Tracking Enhancer II Magnetic Field Stabalizer II Magnetic Field Stabalizer II [DRONE BAY] 5xHammerhead II The above setup, is designed for 0.0 bubble camps with support. You park this puppy right there at the edge of the bubble, for the wise guys jumping in from wierd angles from 1000KM safe spots, or those that jump in from the gate, load up the Null M. The Null M will hit hard, 15KM away. Load up Void M, and someone get's caught by the bubble you just unload on them.
Xoduse Beasts of Burden Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.20 01:25:00 - [9] Edited by: Xoduse on 20/09/2006 01:26:08 Originally by: Aeaus Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xVoid M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xVoid M] 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I [1xCap Booster 800] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 5 x Medium T2 Drones my EXACT setup. If you can get into range then any ship in your class or below is dead (unless its another brutix :P) BTW you said low skills and not too expensive, take this setup and substitute in all the named items you can afford and your brutix will still be a very potent killer. Just make sure you get your BC skill up to at least III ---------------------
Tadis Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.20 13:11:00 - [10] May be better off using a 20k scrambler rather than a 7.5k with a ship with such low agility and manouverability. ___________________________________
Oyabun Nobunaga	Posted - 2006.09.21 20:03:00 - [11] I use 6x 250mm's (best named i can afford at the time) loaded in antimatter 1x small graviton smartbomb or 1x small nos (again best named for budget, get alotta knave's out of rat's) named ab named web tracking comp cap expander (friend found a nifty trick where with a expander where when at roughly 1/3 cap propperly managed the cap charges faster than it drains, works with all guns rep and tracking comp running) 2x rcu med arm rep II magstab overdrive or alternatively swap the rails for regulated neutrons, the ab for mwd, and then the cap expander for a recharger. if you know you need to get in close I prefer the rail setup for its versatility while on general guard duty. It has taken down everything from interceptor and assault frig up to other bc's. still needing to test it out on a hac tho. it does have a severe weakness ot being jammed. i tend to keep hammerheads in the drone bay. the entire fit should run you less than 3-4 mil and that is if you buy pricey. almost all of my skill points are in gunnery, so you may not need the 2x rcu also i have noticed that with jsut the rep II this is more durable than my megathron, and the cap endurance is noice anyone have ideas to improve on this? it's serving me well, but im sure there are things i have not thought of.
jbob2000 Gallente The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.09.21 20:19:00 - [12] Edited by: jbob2000 on 21/09/2006 20:19:36 Originally by: Oyabun Nobunaga I use 6x 250mm's (best named i can afford at the time) loaded in antimatter 1x small graviton smartbomb or 1x small nos (again best named for budget, get alotta knave's out of rat's) named ab named web tracking comp cap expander (friend found a nifty trick where with a expander where when at roughly 1/3 cap propperly managed the cap charges faster than it drains, works with all guns rep and tracking comp running) 2x rcu med arm rep II magstab overdrive terrible setup. Smartbombs will kill your drones so they are useless. Overdrive is a waste of a slot. When you are using rails, you don't need manueverability, you just need to park yourself and wait for targets. Web is useless because you're using rails. Doesn't need and explanation at all. Now, if this is for NPCing, ab/cap stuff might be usefull (however you have no armor tank on, so im doubting that). When you fit rails for pvp, you should go for the typical gank setup on anything higher then a frigate. That being said, mids should have 2 sensor booster IIs, 2x TRacking computer IIs. Never fitted a rail-brutix before, but 2 RCUs seem a bit over the top. With AWU 3 and 1 RCU II you should be ok, if you need it at all after taking out the AB. I'd stick with the med rep to repair after battle then fit the rest with damage mods (3 mag stab and 1 tracking comp if you have the slot left). You don't need to worry about your cap when you snipe because the ship will hopefully be dead before your cap runs out.
Yarek Balear Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.21 20:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Oyabun Nobunaga I use 6x 250mm's (best named i can afford at the time) loaded in antimatter 1x small graviton smartbomb or 1x small nos (again best named for budget, get alotta knave's out of rat's) named ab named web tracking comp cap expander (friend found a nifty trick where with a expander where when at roughly 1/3 cap propperly managed the cap charges faster than it drains, works with all guns rep and tracking comp running) 2x rcu med arm rep II magstab overdrive I want to meet this guy on a cold dark rainy night Go with the Blaster setups mentioned earlier if you're thinking of PVPing in it...
Oyabun Nobunaga	Posted - 2006.09.23 05:02:00 - [14] Now i will be among the first to admit that i am rather new on the pvp scene, however, because the setup has been effective more than ineffective im going to debate it being 'terrible' especially considering it is inexpensive, and works on limited skills, as the guy who started this thread had asked for. As i mentioned above, i like the rail set for versatility. the primary purpose and mentality behind the kit is to defend miner's against both belt rat's and player raids. the situation where i dont know what im going to be fighting and i dont know what range i will be fighting them at, so i elected to go for something that would be less effective in close range while still capable, yet still effective against targets at medium range. it's not meant to be a solo pwnmobile, it is meant to be just effective enough to do multiple jobs with a single kit, and as with most things made for versatility 'jack of all trade's master of none' -The web is to stop those pesky interceptor's and assault frig's that like to get to close. -The smartbomb is to kill the other guy's drones while my drones swarm on him and -The is still at range. or to add damage on when the target has closed and my drones are already dead. useing a smart while your own drones are in its range has the prerequisite skill of lvl V brain function defeciency -ab and od are to have some ability to control the range bracket, without them the brutix is just a slug with lots of guns. as the od reduces manuverability the only reason to have it is increase top speed meaning that it is there to close on the guy who is too far away, or to run from the guy who gets to close, and to maintain that range once you get there. I'm not a particularly aged player, atm i cannot use alot of the really shiny t2 gear. my fund's are limited, and my experience and choices on the ship are based off of running into problems and then fitting a module to solve that problem. and for balancing versatility with effectiveness in light pvp situations this kit has proven effective. it's not a heavy combat kit. and for the role i have set it up for it has worked. Of course if im going out for a a hunt im more likely to run a blaster kit. but if my m8's are mining and im guarding, or im doing some simple missions, the rail kit has proven capable of doing the job in many situations with relative ease and a solid endurance. It's not made to be immortal, its not made for instant kills, its made to do enough damage to kill the other guy, and do it over a broad range bracket. Now i do plan on adding tank soon as the skills train. but for what i have to work with it get's the job done. and seeing that this thread was started stating that skills and fund's were limited i figured throwing in something that i had found sucessful would not hurt. Now for doing the same job, fitting in the multirole mentality, i would love to hear ideas for improvement. The blaster setups mentioned above were quite welcome by the way and i will be getting some use out of them.
Benglada Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.23 06:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Xoduse Edited by: Xoduse on 20/09/2006 01:26:08 Originally by: Aeaus Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xVoid M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xVoid M] 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I [1xCap Booster 800] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 5 x Medium T2 Drones my EXACT setup. If you can get into range then any ship in your class or below is dead (unless its another brutix :P) BTW you said low skills and not too expensive, take this setup and substitute in all the named items you can afford and your brutix will still be a very potent killer. Just make sure you get your BC skill up to at least III Setup i use to, Its a BEAST...iv got like six solo battleship kills in it, and iv only lost 3(and i got one re imbursed because i got scan probed while offline with no aggro timer =( ) --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.09.23 06:16:00 - [16] Edited by: Samirol on 23/09/2006 06:19:25 Originally by: Aeaus Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xVoid M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xVoid M] 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I [1xCap Booster 800] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 5 x Medium T2 Drones tried and true, i prefer 3 active hardeners, but i tend to be taking sentry fire when using my brutixes @oyabun, my 1600RT thorax could kill that setup so easily, that is pretty much crap Maybe not herpes, but I'll give ya goat!-Tirg
Oyabun Nobunaga	Posted - 2006.09.23 08:43:00 - [17] SO then seeing as my "youll be instapwnd by anything" setup is obviously out. and the lot of you want to stubbornly preach the blaster kit's without answering either question this thread has posed, how about i put it in word's that are a bit more blatant and direct. As all kit's that have been listed seem to assume that everybody starts out with the ability to use T2 gear across the board, and that all new user's are granted 100m so that they can imeadiately purchase a fleet. 1. Useing T1 kit, and working with limited funds what effective brutix setups are there? 2. Are there efective rail setups for a brutix that do not suffer a severe vulnerability to small fast ships, while still being capable in combat against ships in the cruiser/BC classes? I understand that you have all been playing long enough to cart around the galaxy packin the roll's royce of a fit, but keep things in perspective and lets assume that someone is working with a budget of 5mil to fully fit their brand new brutix, and not instantly die the minute they fly into lowsec, give those people advice. It doesnt answer a single question to simply say youll get your ass kicked if you use that so dont bother. it doesnt answer the question that started this thread to drop a full t2 kit on someone that has specifically asked what they can do with limited skill/isk resources.
Cmdr Sy EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.09.23 09:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Oyabun Nobunaga 1. Useing T1 kit, and working with limited funds what effective brutix setups are there? 2. Are there efective rail setups for a brutix that do not suffer a severe vulnerability to small fast ships, while still being capable in combat against ships in the cruiser/BC classes? 1) Obviously, the exact same as T2, only using T1. Electron blasters with some ions or nos, MWD, warp disruptor, webifier, cap injector, and a low slot tank consisting of a pair of medium armor reps, a pair of energized adaptive nanos, and then a damage control or magentic field stab or whatever, is the way to go. Just remove that extra 'I' from all those setups. You are not changing the fact that the setup is fundamentally good, you are merely adjusting for skills. You seldom change the fundamentals of a T2 setup just because all you can use is T1. 2) No, there aren't. The blaster setup shreds cruisers and BCs, and a combination of warp disruptor, X5 web, a single medium nos if you choose to fit one, and 5 medium drones, will eat a frigate before it can do anything to you. If there are multiple frigates, you are stuffed, and that's just the way it is. A rail setup snipes NPCs nicely, but you will find the higher fitting requirements will work against your ability to fit dual medium armor reps. Plus, while drones and web will still work nicely against a lone frig, a larger ship which can dictate range of engagement, such as a MWD blaster Thorax or Brutix, will kill you with ease. So will a well-fitted AB Maller, to be honest. Put simply, don't bother with rails on a Brutix because you sacrifice a great deal of flexibility, introduce all sorts of weaknesses, and gain little. In this ship, you are better off closing range yourself in a fast supertank, than shooting from far away while hoping nothing closes range on you. The bonuses and layout pretty much dictate this.
Oyabun Nobunaga	Posted - 2006.09.23 10:10:00 - [19] Thank you, those were the breed of answer i was looking for.
Galen Silas Gallente Digital assassins	Posted - 2006.09.28 15:07:00 - [20] 6x Heavy Ion II's/7x Heavy Electron II's, 1 small Nos 1x 10mn ab 1x webby 1x 20km warp scram 1x Medium Cap Injector 3x EANM II's/2x EANM II's, and 1x energized reactive II 2x Medium Armor Repair II's and use Null ammo you get a very good range bonus and only lose 2 damage points plus your tracking stays the same, its an all around better ammo for blasters, Void is for capital and POS killing
R31D	Posted - 2006.09.28 17:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Aeaus Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xVoid M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xVoid M] 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I [1xCap Booster 800] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 5 x Medium T2 Drones Fit a DCU (either for mag stab or EANM) for added win Free bumpage for all
scar90	Posted - 2006.09.28 18:10:00 - [22] what i dont underand is.. why do you all use heavy nutron blasters II as your main weapon when it has a rubbish range ??
Cupdeez	Posted - 2006.09.28 18:21:00 - [23] I love my brutix and i use it as a support ship in fleet battles.. My setup (7) T2 Dual 150mm Guns (2) webbies, (1)20 Scram, and (1)Tracking CPU (1) 1600mm plate, (1) t2 armor repair (3) Hardners This thing is an uber killing machine!! Frigate and ceptors go by by.
Jack Canon	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:17:00 - [24] SO the only option in your opinions is blasters?
Wiggy69 Moarty Enterprises Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:52:00 - [25] Originally by: scar90 what i dont underand is.. why do you all use heavy nutron blasters II as your main weapon when it has a rubbish range ?? The whole point of the Brutix is that it gets up close, real fast, and deals massive damage from point-blank range. That's the reason why pretty much all the blaster setups mentioned above have Microwarpdrives fitted. ----- Wiggy's Bad Spelling and Grammar Complaints Department
MinTol Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.10 00:34:00 - [26] 4xNeutron blasters medium 3xElectron blasters medium 1xAB/MWD 1xWebbie 2xCap rechargers 1xtech2 Medium armor rep 1xPDU or cap relay 3xhardeners 5 medium drones This is what I use, I have a very limited budget and this works very well for npc hunting. Originally by: Cavazos for your info i'm 12 but in history ihave the brain of a highschooler but then i don't look like a 12 year old cause i'm 5'9 and i'm a pure jock
KaptnSparrow Caldari The Wailing Doom	Posted - 2007.01.10 01:29:00 - [27] Originally by: Aeaus Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xVoid M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xVoid M] 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I [1xCap Booster 800] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 5 x Medium T2 Drones and its my setup too. I love the Brutix, its just wounder full in damage and tank. Just everybody flies basically the same setup. Which means It's very predictable :( i do switch the magstab II to a damage control If I know I will engage 2+ ships :) ..sadly the only way you loose a brutix during the hunt is: getting jumped by several people, atacking something what you can't catch (vaga, give me a hardtime) get jumped by an astarte/eos :( otherwise this thing is stable enough to escape most gatecamps. i was used to be ceo and now I have nothing to say, this is so relaxing :)
Aaspa	Posted - 2007.02.02 22:43:00 - [28] I have a Brutix too, a very good ship, i love it! Here is the set-up i'll testing (i test several fitting and many fittings are good). ---HS--- 150 mm Railgun Tech2 [+Antimatter] 150 mm Railgun Tech2 [+Antimatter] 150 mm Railgun Tech2 [+Antimatter] 150 mm Railgun Tech2 [+Antimatter] 150 mm Railgun Tech2 [+Antimatter] Medium Nosferatu 1 Medium Nosferatu 1 ---MS--- MWD Tech 1 Targeting disruptor 2 webbifier ---LS--- 800 named armor plate Medium armor repairer 1 2 adapative nano Tech2 1 Capacitor recharger
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2007.02.02 22:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Aaspa I have a Brutix too, a very good ship, i love it! Here is the set-up i'll testing (i test several fitting and many fittings are good). ---HS--- 150 mm Railgun Tech2 [+Antimatter] 150 mm Railgun Tech2 [+Antimatter] 150 mm Railgun Tech2 [+Antimatter] 150 mm Railgun Tech2 [+Antimatter] 150 mm Railgun Tech2 [+Antimatter] Medium Nosferatu 1 Medium Nosferatu 1 ---MS--- MWD Tech 1 Targeting disruptor 2 webbifier ---LS--- 800 named armor plate Medium armor repairer 1 2 adapative nano Tech2 1 Capacitor recharger If you're fitting medium drones, I'd kill you with a taranis. --------------- PvP in EvE is not consentual.
Yarek Balear The Initiative SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.02 23:25:00 - [30] By the time he NOS's you and double Web's you I seriously doubt that...

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