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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.02.01 13:49:14 -
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If remote defense grid unit is hacked after the sentries are spawn in archive room additional can is spawning.
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BUS1NESSMAN
MMMONSTER ENERGY
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Posted - 2015.02.02 15:56:15 -
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Ling Gong Chen
ALL THE LONELY PEOPLE
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Posted - 2015.02.05 07:42:13 -
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i just found this video on YOUTUBE.
i used EFT to fit a same nestor and it has 30K raw armors. and don't forget this pilot used 2x Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer. even for a battleship like this one is insanely tough. and the result? the ealier few shockwaves didn't give his ship any more than scraches but when those colosal shockwaves arrived even his ship can hardly over repair the damage, and at the end he realized the damages have already overweight his repair amount so he warp out before his ship pods. seriously? damage amouts overweight a nestor with 2 deadspace top large repairers? who cames up a genius idea of that? |
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
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Posted - 2015.02.05 11:31:20 -
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Ling Gong Chen wrote: damage amouts overweight a nestor with 2 deadspace top large repairers? Use rewarp, Luke.
Ran a couple of these sites in past several days (was at work, so many distractions and thus usually screwed archives). Used an incursion leftover buffer legion with a single T2 rep and links (full armor + one skirmish for mwd speed). About 150k ehp and about 450 tank.
Used links to keep the site open (I've noticed it despawn after the very first hacked loot can in the solar room), so I could rewarp at will (there are reports that cloaking in site will make it disappear).
The room order is random (turrets and solar harvester), the warpin rift in the solar room is also random.
You get to the mines from the solar room (in fact they are on the same grid, just 250km away). To get there I used to first fix the solar harvester, loot all the cans, then jump to the farthest rift, hack the defence grid, jump back and use the "left" rift (you can guess the right one by tying to use it - it will tell you 250-270ish distance to warp). There are reports that mines can kill you midwarp (their position is random), and I certainly triggered a mine one time when warping, but didn't receive any damage (also you can get hit by the solar flare midwarp when warping between the "left" and the far rift, and it does hurt). Hacking the defence grid will reveal a random number of loot cans (i've had from 1 to 2) and a minefield. Then you either have to slowboat back some 270 km to the "right" rift or simply rewarp.
The turret room is strange. One time i've successfully got myself a friendly turret and a healer for it, but made a stray shot which spawned some turrets 150km away, and the friendly turret didn't touch them (still, half of them wasn't even shooting me). The other time I failed to hack the healing structure, and my little turret died But still the initial enemy turrets blew up on their own.
The archive room. You get spare parts from the barrels, and you don't have to use them all. You need only 3 fluids, and you usually get more from the barrels than you need. Failing any hack (including loot cans) will spawn sentries. They hit like a freight train unless you hack the defence grid.
Unlike the turret room, the invul cans appear to do nothing of value. They don't seem to rep you, they don't stop the sentries, they don't stop the shock waves. Looks like a waste of time.
My advice is to get the cans farthest from the warpin first. I was able to last up to the second colossal wave before warping out. And if you clear out the farthest cans first, you can rep up back, return to the site and grab the remaining closer cans in a couple of tries. Tanking 2 colossal waves is very much possible if you have good buffer (at least 100k EHP). Just mind the debris clouds - they are worse than massive waves. |
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
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Posted - 2015.02.12 13:04:17 -
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Did anybody test, what kind of damage the shockwaves do? Omni, or EM/Thermal? |
Sansh Leko
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.17 02:11:21 -
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Anyone tryed remote repping the final room?
So far I have been skipping Archive room because I dont have skills for any t3 or Nestor to try how much I can pick up in those ships.
My alt is 5 days from Amarr cruiser V, so I was thinking trying Augoror repping tanked Gnosis.
Atm I can pull out 70k EHP from Gnossy with data/relic MWD/Afterburner/Cap boosters.
Any suggestion on fitting Augoror for this test, what is the maxium range with him for remote medium repers.
I know collosal wawes dont hit as long you dont come close 20/40 km near the Archive ruins. |
BUS1NESSMAN
MMMONSTER ENERGY
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Posted - 2015.03.07 09:17:59 -
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Sansh Leko
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.07 17:35:43 -
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Great vids BUS1NESSMAN, thanks for uploading.
I am currently doing these with Astero and buffer Gnosis, also I tryed remote rep Archive but Augoror met his fate 60km away from ruins as soon waves started.
Reporting my highest loot from highsec Superior so far is 490mil not including blueprints. One can had 56 Drone AI
How much EHP that Legion fit have?
I am asking because that first hack in Mines room can be deadly as you allready know that.
Also there are allways one Pristine, Intact and Dented storages in Mines room, sometimes you just need to search for them.
I know that can take up some time, but I had nice loot surprises few times.
EVE Forever
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BUS1NESSMAN
MMMONSTER ENERGY
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Posted - 2015.03.08 08:18:46 -
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Sansh Leko wrote:Great vids BUS1NESSMAN, thanks for uploading. I am currently doing these with Astero and buffer Gnosis, also I tryed remote rep Archive but Augoror met his fate 60km away from ruins as soon waves started. Reporting my highest loot from highsec Superior so far is 490mil not including blueprints. One can had 56 Drone AI How much EHP that Legion fit have? I am asking because that first hack in Mines room can be deadly as you allready know that. Also there are allways one Pristine, Intact and Dented storages in Mines room, sometimes you just need to search for them. I know that can take up some time, but I had nice loot surprises few times.
My highest loot was 400mill not including bpc
Legion EHP: without links [52377] with links [68565]
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Alicia Aishai
League of Gentlemen SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.08 08:55:22 -
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Torgeir Hekard wrote:Ling Gong Chen wrote: damage amouts overweight a nestor with 2 deadspace top large repairers? You need only 3 fluids, and you usually get more from the barrels than you need. Failing any hack (including loot cans) will spawn sentries. They hit like a freight train unless you hack the defence grid.
I tried the archive room both yesterday and today. Each time, sentries spawned though I didn't fail any hack. Even with the remote defense grid hacked first, sentries do a lot of damage though they can be speed tanked. For me, sentries spawning make the room undoable. Their damage plus the shockwave is too high to handle.
I am not sure what I am doing wrong or whether this is a bug, because I did archive room before and the sentries didn't spawn. Or maybe it's the intend that the sentries always come and need to be destroyed while speed tanked.
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Sansh Leko
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.08 20:39:08 -
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Sentryes in Archive room will sometimes spawn even if you hack succesfully their targeting hack and those containers with fluids at the begining.
@BUS1NESSMAN
I think that Legion EHP without links would survive explosion if failing the hack in the Mines room but I am not sure. I run it with 76k EHP Gnosis and one time it left me with 20-30% armor.
Maybe it is random every time but just to be sure I wouldnt bother in that room with anything less than 60k EHP.
EVE Forever
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Sansh Leko
The Scope Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2015.03.09 02:38:10 -
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Alicia Aishai wrote:
I am not sure what I am doing wrong or whether this is a bug, because I did archive room before and the sentries didn't spawn. Or maybe it's the intend that the sentries always come and need to be destroyed while speed tanked.
Confirming it is random.
Just did Archive room, all 4 hacks at the begining done in first try and no sentry spawn.
Week ago I did the same in 2 sites and sentryes spawned.
Also if you cant rep yourself from first waves and sentryes, use one rejuveation unit hack.
That thing does insane reps for 60 seconds.
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Schmell
Russian Thunder Squad The Afterlife.
48
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Posted - 2015.03.11 08:17:43 -
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Just like 9 hours ago got instapopped in "sentry on duty" room by extra sentries, which suddenly appeared after succesfully hacking defensive grid |
Sansh Leko
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:31:35 -
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You failed first time that remote defense grid, sentryes spawned after 40 seconds?
In the meantime you hacked the grid but that dont deactivate new sentry spawn.
That would be my guess.
EVE Forever
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.11 18:55:07 -
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There has to be a pattern. Devs stated that Superior Sleeper Cache can be done in an Astero. |
Sansh Leko
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:33:08 -
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Yes it can be done in Astero if you are willing to risk remote defense grid hack in Mines room because if you fail that one you will lose it on sight.
Archive room can probably be done in Astero regardless the sentry spawn, speed tank them and I am sure they wont be able to hit you if you succesfully hacked their targeting system before touching other stuff.
Why I think that, because I did 30+ these sites on live server and I can see possibility for an Astero in the Archive, just didnt tryed the site completely with frigate.
Only one thing is left to figure out.
How much fluids and other material needs to be put in order to make all reajuveation vessel units workable.
When you use fluids and not those gears and patches, only one vessel repped me for 60 seconds. I hacked second one to test if it have some connection with gears and patches and it didnt repped me. Connection there, maybe.
Placing only 3 or 4 fluids and nothing else will make workers to eject cans and reajuveation vessel units and sometimes even completely functional sentry guardian not affected by your succesfull hack on sentry targeting system.
With AB Astero you can I am sure get all the good stuff out of the Archive before double waves start coming, no need to mention colosal ones against a frigate.
Speed tank and atleast use one repp for 60 seconds if things become suicidal. And as much data coherence you can get is recommended.
Also for those who do Sentry on Duty room first, dont. Do Solar room even if you spawn first in Sentry room, use that solar ray aligment so that rift for Archive later in Sentry room can be created without help of blowing off plasma chambers
If I figure out how to set up this new access on test server I will test it, and make a video.
Sorry for spelling mistakes if any.
EVE Forever
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Tavaron Morchant
Jenova Rising
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Posted - 2015.04.04 11:11:02 -
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I did a few of these sites succesfully by now.
The archive gives me a few worries.
There are those hackable restoration cans. The time for the rep is set for 90 secs by now, I think?
The first one works fine for me. But then I hack the 2 others ( I've seen so far) one after another, but they wont repair me. The hack was succesful and the "repair clouds" are there, but with no effect. Ofcourse I stay in range. With hundred meters.
Can someone confirm this (obvious?) bug ? |
William Hazard
Muthim Slightly Sexual
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Posted - 2015.04.06 18:31:51 -
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How many EHP should we have to tank the colossal wave ? My tengu is 60k EHP with some rep (375 EHP/sec) |
Sansh Leko
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.27 00:06:49 -
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After playing with various fits on EFT and Pyfa this is my final setup I wanted to share.
Tested allready on Standard cache and it is overkill. Only thing I changed in the hidden room is removing 2 plates and fitting MWD because of time limit.
Not tested Superior yet, Mines room will not be a problem anymore if you fail initial hack with that much EHP. Only Archive is left to test how much I can stay and tank, but with this much EHP I think it is enough to stick around long enough and loot all the good stuff.
Proteus
Also if you prefer MWD all the way then switch one 1600mm with 800mm plate. With lvl 4 subsystem skill it have 150k EHP.
This is kinda null fit just because Interdiction Nullifier but that align time is a no go.
Nullified
I mean there is so much time for someone to come and bump you on the gate even if you manage to cloak right after clicking warp so it would be better to go with some travel/align fit and refit when you find the site.
EVE Forever
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Traejun DiSanctis
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
139
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Posted - 2015.05.27 06:07:37 -
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Got one to 97.2%
That's the only one I've ever found and couldn't get it. |
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.27 16:02:43 -
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Had my first bad run in a superior sleeper today which leads to questions:
1) If you fail the hack in the turret room and the sentries spawn is it still possible to complete the room?
2) My 1600 plate Stratios was insta-popped in the mine room when I failed the first hack of the defense unit. Is it possible to find the mine units before hacking the defense unit to reduce damage in case the hack is failed?
3) Would a blast wave affect a jettisoned cargo container that is in range?
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Sansh Leko
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.28 02:05:53 -
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Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Got one to 97.2%
That's the only one I've ever found and couldn't get it.
You need I believe 107 Base Sensor Strength of your probes to be able to scan it down to 100%.
@ Shiloh Templeton
1. Never failed that hack while runing the site in Astero so I cant answer that but now that I run it in Proteus with less virus coherence there is a chance that I will fail at some point but probably with Stratios you can destroy them all with few warpouts then coming back.
2. I was using 76k EHP Gnosis just for that room so I would not bother coming and risking a ship if you dont have atleast 70k EHP. Dont know exact numbers but just to be safe than sorry.
3. My guess is no, it would not affect a jettisoned cargo, if you talk about archive room.
EVE Forever
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Shon Anzomi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.02 09:00:44 -
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I guess I will eventually try this and potentially lose that Astero, but before I do:
Did anyone actually do the archive room in Astero?
I found this site yesterday and surely the sentry room was easy enough, also the solar room. I did not bother with the mine due to the risk involved.
Since I do not completely understand the game mechanics in the archive room, I did not try it.
As far as I understand:
a) you hack the defense unit to make the sentries drunk b) you hack the other cans to get the 3 fluids and place them into chamber which in turn will start spewing cans
now what I dont know is:
How do I turn on the vessel rejuvenation unit and will it be enough to keep me alive through the shockwaves?
Someone mentioned other units do not repair after hack. Do I need to fuel them somehow?
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.06.02 09:16:01 -
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Shon Anzomi wrote:As far as I understand:
a) you hack the defense unit to make the sentries drunk b) you hack the other cans to get the 3 fluids and place them into chamber which in turn will start spewing cans
now what I dont know is:
How do I turn on the vessel rejuvenation unit and will it be enough to keep me alive through the shockwaves?
Someone mentioned other units do not repair after hack. Do I need to fuel them somehow?
Ad a) hack defense unit after then sentries are spawned. If you hack before it won't work. It will randomly happen after you start to hack siloses. Ad b) correct
My tactics for rejuvenation unit would be - start to hack it, find system core, wait till timer for wave goes off and then hack system core. It only one time use.
You will need cargo scanner there to save time.
Also mine room can still be possible if they weren't triggerd from jumping to the room (i read somewhere that could happen). I never did that part but I suppose they have some proximity range sensor to go boom.
"-What are you doing?"
"-Docking."(...)
-"It's not possible"
-"No, it's necessary."
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Traejun DiSanctis
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.03 07:18:09 -
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Sansh Leko wrote:Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Got one to 97.2%
That's the only one I've ever found and couldn't get it. You need I believe 107 Base Sensor Strength of your probes to be able to scan it down to 100%.
Yeah, I just so happened to be in a shitfit Heron without a Sisters Launcher and lower skills than I have now. I was surprised I even got it that high. |
Shon Anzomi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2015.06.03 07:45:42 -
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I was incredibly lucky yesterday - another superior site.
This time no fancy polarized torp launchers, but still 86 million in blue loot and skillbooks and the storyline crap I've got is actually worth building.
Since the loot was good, I thought I do the archive room and if worst things happen I will come out even losing my Astero but with the loot safely tucked away.
Site did not despawn after depositing the valuables, so I entered the archive room and started hacking at the chamber maintenance cans. I did hack the defence thing too, the chat message said that the sentries will have hard time hitting me.
Unfortunately I failed the hack and got shot by the two sentries that spawned. That threw my 6,9kEHP ship with 60%omni resists to about 40% hull. I bailed as there was no way I could survive another wolley.
I tend to think that the archive is not doable with Astero but I will try again if I get the chance as I screwed the hack this time.
But I have my doubts about the shockwaves, they will probably be too much to handle for frigate. |
Beatrix Dacella
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.07 03:07:06 -
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Hey,
I normally do null sec exploration in my buzzard for relic/data sites, however I've been tempted to reship to a Stratios to have a bash at the superior sites I've come across.
From the previous posts it sounds like I should be able to handle the Turret room and the Solar room, however the Mine and Archive room sound too dangerous without T3 tank. Can you still get decent loot from the first two rooms to make it worth the time?
I was reading the thread on the Standard site which seemed a bit more confusing, could the Stratios handle them as well and are they worth doing? |
Sansh Leko
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.07 03:59:26 -
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Astero can complete full Standard so Stratios can handle it easily, just follow the steps in the thread and avoid the cloud when
exterminators spawn and you will be fine.
As for Superior and the loot from only 2 rooms, it depends on loot fairy but you can get out with 100+ mill minimum.
EVE Forever
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
296
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Posted - 2015.06.07 14:25:30 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:There has to be a pattern. Devs stated that Superior Sleeper Cache can be done in an Astero. Maybe its just bugged. Theres a lot going on in these sites compared to other pve content. Im sure bugs are highly likely. |
Shon Anzomi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2015.06.08 11:13:27 -
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Beatrix Dacella wrote:Hey,
I normally do null sec exploration in my buzzard for relic/data sites, however I've been tempted to reship to a Stratios to have a bash at the superior sites I've come across.
From the previous posts it sounds like I should be able to handle the Turret room and the Solar room, however the Mine and Archive room sound too dangerous without T3 tank. Can you still get decent loot from the first two rooms to make it worth the time?
I was reading the thread on the Standard site which seemed a bit more confusing, could the Stratios handle them as well and are they worth doing?
Once I made it out with 86 million in blue loot + assortment of BPC's
First time I found it, I had around 60 million in blue loot, but around 300 million in the BPC stuff as the stuff was actually marketable.
As with any other site you have to have luck when you have luck :) |
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