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Dinilysia
Interregional Market Watch
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Posted - 2006.09.20 03:35:00 -
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This feature will be an additional sub.
If it is, I can see no end to the troubles arising from trying to get pilots in a gang on the same voice com if they dont all sub to the VOIP feature. To avoid these kinda issues, it wont be hard to imagine ppl sticking to the free alternatives.
Then again, I dont know it was meant to be a free of charge thing or not.
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DigitalCommunist
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.20 04:16:00 -
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The alternatives aren't free, theres always someone paying for the bandwidth needed to host a voip server. They're only free for you, but one person is fronting the bill for everyone else. Afaik you can still do that with corporation deals (vivox - eve voice).. or so they say.
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2006.09.20 04:52:00 -
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That depends if the person hosting it has their own TS/Vent server (old PC anyone?), and even if they don't it tends to be very cheap for renting TS/Vent servers.
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Dinilysia
Interregional Market Watch
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Posted - 2006.09.20 04:58:00 -
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 Originally by: DigitalCommunist
The alternatives aren't free, theres always someone paying for the bandwidth needed to host a voip server. They're only free for you, but one person is fronting the bill for everyone else. Afaik you can still do that with corporation deals (vivox - eve voice).. or so they say.
Aye, 'free'.
External voip hosting still leaves you with more options how to finance and set it up. Having every pilot pay for his own voice com's in this manner, will no doubtedly be a more expnsive option unless it beats $0.5 p/s for a vent/ts server sub
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.20 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
The alternatives aren't free, theres always someone paying for the bandwidth needed to host a voip server. They're only free for you, but one person is fronting the bill for everyone else. Afaik you can still do that with corporation deals (vivox - eve voice).. or so they say.
For alot of people running a Vent or TS server from their home PC is more than enough, and if any of them are living in college dorms, they've got all the bandwidth their alliance will need.
The EVE VoIP will need to kick some ass to get people to use it.
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Xeoz
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.20 07:18:00 -
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I have to agree. I really hope this feature will be free. If the voice service is anything but free (or near free), I wont be signing up. TeamSpeak works just fine. It is cheap for the administrator and free for the users.
If CCP decides to charge even $5/mo for voice service it will create a problem. It would either get ignored because half the corp refuses to pay the fee, or, it would get those people kicked out of events completely.
How many people in your corp would be willing to take a 33% increase in the cost of playing? Especially considering that they already have basic voice service for free. Imagine if/when your corp/alliance decides this service is mandatory!
The reason TS works so perfectly for games is because there is usually someone in the group who already has access to a high speed line or server facilities. I know of people who host TS out of their college, or pay isk to any of the sites offering TS for isk.
Do the math for your corp. Just 1 administrator paying $0-15/mo for TS, or 15-250 people paying $5/mo for eve voice service. What will happen to the people who wont (or cant) pay the extra fee?
I realize that we're talking about what is sure to be a tiny amount of money for what will be an amazingly helpful service. But it is still increasing the cost of game play for what is already seen as an absolutely necessary service.
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Grainsalt
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.20 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: Grainsalt on 20/09/2006 07:53:51
Only issue that I have about client based VOIP/Comms is that when the EVE client crashes .. (which it does).. What happens to the comm's? Becuase with Vent and TS you can still organise yourselves out of game, which comes in handy when a node goes down or your client dies.
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evistin
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.20 08:01:00 -
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While I do not know about Voip staying when the client crashes, I do know that there will be a fee for the service. I was recently cacualting that a 200 man server sees a $ 0.29 per person cost per month. So the client must be this cheap, or offer something extremely good to justify their price point.
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Hoshi
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.20 08:28:00 -
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My major concern are about multiple accounts. So am I going to need to pay the fee for all accounts to be able to talk on all of them?
There is also the known problems with running multiple accounts and having sound active on all of them. Are the VOIP going to be integrated with the rest of the eve sound so we are forced to have that on to use it?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.20 10:22:00 -
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While I have no doubt there are many problems with the upcoming VOIP, what many people seem to forget is that it will (supposedly) have fancy gang/fleet stuff, so it will not be the same as TS/Vent.
If you stick to the 'free' product you will get what you pay for, because the Eve VOIP will have extra capabilities in-game that you won't have.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.20 10:47:00 -
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CCP assure us it will be cost minimal and also useful (keeping em to their word here)
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Dinilysia
Interregional Market Watch
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Grainsalt
Only issue that I have about client based VOIP/Comms is that when the EVE client crashes .. (which it does).. What happens to the comm's? Becuase with Vent and TS you can still organise yourselves out of game, which comes in handy when a node goes down or your client dies.
Thats definatly an important aspect of having the voip separate from the eve client.
However, as I understand it, CCP is not intending on soley implmenting just a simple voip chat thing into the game but a coordination tool which also has a visual aspect to it as well. From what I ve heard you can see whos actually talking on the HUD/new starmap itself.
If this bcomes neccessary to stay on top of things in game, we'll see people forced onto it, or fall away from engaging in activities requring it.
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Estelle Matsuko
Caldari
The Beiatch Corp Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.20 13:03:00 -
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Obviously not making as much money in China as they expected.
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