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CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 744	Posted - 2015.01.14 16:45:20 - [1] - Quote Check out what CSM9 has to say about their busy year! This time around as their term comes to an end, we decided that CSM members should speak directly to you about how 2014 has progressed in the form of a guest blog. With almost no edits made, we are releasing it into your hands to provide the most clear and comprehensive look at the CSMGÇÖs year from some of those who were on the council. Please feel free to leave your feedback in this thread. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 4683	Posted - 2015.01.14 17:01:08 - [2] - Quote First! Woo! CSM 9! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 551	Posted - 2015.01.14 17:20:19 - [3] - Quote allears dot gif
Freelancer117 So you want to be a Hero 242	Posted - 2015.01.14 17:23:19 - [4] - Quote Quote: Council members are in constant contact with the EVE Online dev team in order to have a front line, up to date view on features and improvements that are currently being developed for EVE. They are also responsible for bringing the opinions, concerns, suggestions and ideas of their constituents to CCP for consideration. They sign a non-disclosure agreement so we can bring even more ideas to them, many of which we may not take beyond the initial design phases. Sometimes I wish as a small part of the constituents they represent the reverse also holds true: The EVE Online dev teams are in constant contact with the Council members. The long-distance-travel-changes-inbound dev blog is a very poor reflection of CCPgames working with the CSM to bring "up to date view on features and improvements", the CSM was updated less than 24 hours before CCP published the dev blog. The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans. http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1679	Posted - 2015.01.14 17:26:56 - [5] - Quote It is nice to be able to get the unfiltered versions directly from CSM reps. I don't mean this version. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Alain Colcer Agiolet Security and Logistics 123	Posted - 2015.01.14 17:39:37 - [6] - Quote Great to hear the experience told directly by the CSM members themselves, thank you for this CCP.
Dramaticus GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 613	Posted - 2015.01.14 18:38:51 - [7] - Quote how many new players were helped personally by CSM members and what are their thoughts The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 333	Posted - 2015.01.14 18:40:17 - [8] - Quote The sad thing is that CSM should actually be a huge tool for development, provided that qualified players were on it and not just random elects. Instead, each group of CSM elects pulls in their own direction and thus the CSM leads effectively nowhere except for small victories, like the "rookie channel" (??) It is painfully evident that CCP does not actually play their game at even half the capacity that their players do. This is demonstrated in repeated design decisions that are released and have tens or hundreds of players come constructively post how said idea is awful and needs to be changed (Like the original 5ly range max nerf on Jump Freighters? Are you kidding me?) It would be nice if qualified CSM members actually were able to work with CCP to jointly solve issues instead of CCP just using a development dartboard and presenting what they are going to do to the CSM. CCP has been getting on track the past multiple releases, but there is so much more potential to be had.
Two step Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred 4852	Posted - 2015.01.14 19:17:58 - [9] - Quote Why are there only messages from 7 of the 14 members? Is it coincidence that the 7 that wrote something are the only ones running for re-election? CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1679	Posted - 2015.01.14 19:32:39 - [10] - Quote Two step wrote: Why are there only messages from 7 of the 14 members? Is it coincidence that the 7 that wrote something are the only ones running for re-election? I was more entertained by the fact that one bragged about being given tools to do more free work and another that CSM is essentially just another checkbox on their EVE career path. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

DaReaper Net 7 1696	Posted - 2015.01.14 19:36:41 - [11] - Quote Mr Omniblivion wrote: The sad thing is that CSM should actually be a huge tool for development, provided that qualified players were on it and not just random elects. Instead, each group of CSM elects pulls in their own direction and thus the CSM leads effectively nowhere except for small victories, like the "rookie channel" (??) It is painfully evident that CCP does not actually play their game at even half the capacity that their players do. This is demonstrated in repeated design decisions that are released and have tens or hundreds of players come constructively post how said idea is awful and needs to be changed (Like the original 5ly range max nerf on Jump Freighters? Are you kidding me?) It would be nice if qualified CSM members actually were able to work with CCP to jointly solve issues instead of CCP just using a development dartboard and presenting what they are going to do to the CSM. CCP has been getting on track the past multiple releases, but there is so much more potential to be had. You do relaze that all the CSM is is an advisory council right? they can't pull or push ccp into any direction it doesnlt wish to go. All they can do is bring to the attention of ccp our issues and desires. they can yell at ccp or argue all they want. but in the end of the day, ccp can tell them to go away. It doesn't matter WHO is on the csm, the organization is the same. CCP and CCP alone can decided to listen and take into account what the CSM gives them. The advantage to this, is you have a focused voice for the players, and a way for ccp to tell them stuff they don't want getting out, that the csm might already be able to say is a crappy idea, or work withen the confinds to get the info that its a crappy idea. But even then, ccp may still move ahead. They solve issues, but its CCP's world. And they can chose how to handle it. The Jump Fatigue was how ccp decided to respond to everyone whining about force projection. So the old adage goes, be careful what you ask for. And based on numbers, jump fatigue is working perfectly how intended. A better example would be the ESS which is never bloody used, and even the CSM told CCP it would never be bloody used (based on the discusstion forum) yet ccp made it anyway, and guess what... its never bloody used. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
jason hill Caldari Provisions Caldari State 737	Posted - 2015.01.14 19:41:04 - [12] - Quote meet the new team..... same as the old team
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 333	Posted - 2015.01.14 19:53:59 - [13] - Quote DaReaper wrote: dumb You should probably re-read what I wrote
Zappity Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 1732	Posted - 2015.01.14 20:05:37 - [14] - Quote I would very much like to see a CCP response to Sion's post. Everyone has observed the lack of significant involvement of CSM on important changes (e.g. jump fatigue, nullsec). Does CCP actually see a useful role for CSM under the new release schedule? If so, what will be done to increase the relevance and inclusion of the CSM? Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Marlona Sky Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 5857	Posted - 2015.01.14 20:38:29 - [15] - Quote @Sion - The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs. Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. The Paradox
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 551	Posted - 2015.01.14 20:47:40 - [16] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: @Sion - The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs. Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. [citation needed]
EvilweaselFinance BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation 398	Posted - 2015.01.14 20:48:03 - [17] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: @Sion - The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs. Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. look the paranoid nutjob is making unsubstantiated accusations what a suprise
Dramaticus GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 613	Posted - 2015.01.14 20:48:23 - [18] - Quote loose lips sink ****** ideas The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 551	Posted - 2015.01.14 20:56:08 - [19] - Quote when people accuse csm members of malfeasance it always baffles me because their reaction is not "how can i get in on this by leveraging one of the largest renter alliances in the game to our favor," it's "grr those elected officials must be up to no good"
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 333	Posted - 2015.01.14 21:01:12 - [20] - Quote Have you actually read emails from their rental alliance? HOW CAN ANYONE FROM THE RENTAL ALLIANCE VOTE WHEN ALL OF HER ALLIANCE EMAILS LOOK LIKE THIS!????

Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 11	Posted - 2015.01.14 21:04:29 - [21] - Quote Promiscuous Female wrote: when people accuse csm members of malfeasance it always baffles me because their reaction is not "how can i get in on this by leveraging one of the largest renter alliances in the game to our favor," it's "grr those elected officials must be up to no good" Maybe that's because people expect elected officials to hold themselves to a higher standard. Given the history of the human race, I have no idea why they would still think that - politicians and elected officials are about two steps below the Black Death on my list of things to avoid at all costs. But you know...some people's kids.
Aryndel Vyst GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 908	Posted - 2015.01.14 21:24:29 - [22] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: @Sion - The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs. Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. Just FYI no matter how deep you can get CCP inside your mouth they won't hire you.
Arkady Romanov Hole Violence Whole Squid 565	Posted - 2015.01.14 22:06:38 - [23] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: @Sion - We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Anybody who claims to have had the depth and breadth of experience across all aspects of the game so that they might, with an informed opinion, represent the entire playerbase is an outright liar. An ideal CSM should be a collection of subject matter experts who, combined, represent as much of the playerbase as possible. The CSM should cheerlead for CCP when they do things that are praiseworthy. But a CSM that does nothing but cheerlead is just a mouthpiece with no value. Something that they've been criticized for being many times. Also this: Aryndel Vyst wrote: Just FYI no matter how deep you can get CCP inside your mouth they won't hire you. Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Pathogen Ascention GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 29	Posted - 2015.01.14 22:20:34 - [24] - Quote Elenahina wrote: Promiscuous Female wrote: when people accuse csm members of malfeasance it always baffles me because their reaction is not "how can i get in on this by leveraging one of the largest renter alliances in the game to our favor," it's "grr those elected officials must be up to no good" Maybe that's because people expect elected officials to hold themselves to a higher standard. Given the history of the human race, I have no idea why they would still think that - politicians and elected officials are about two steps below the Black Death on my list of things to avoid at all costs. But you know...some people's kids. Thank you for pointing out that these politicians who are paid real money should hold themselves to a "higher standard" in their lives. Wait. I think you're posting on the wrong website, this thread is about an oversight committee for a spaceship game.
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3604	Posted - 2015.01.14 22:24:33 - [25] - Quote I have removed some rule breaking posts. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Marlona Sky Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 5857	Posted - 2015.01.14 22:25:05 - [26] - Quote Arkady Romanov wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: @Sion - We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Anybody who claims to have had the depth and breadth of experience across all aspects of the game so that they might, with an informed opinion, represent the entire playerbase is an outright liar. An ideal CSM should be a collection of subject matter experts who, combined, represent as much of the playerbase as possible. The CSM should cheerlead for CCP when they do things that are praiseworthy. But a CSM that does nothing but cheerlead is just a mouthpiece with no value. Something that they've been criticized for being many times. Snip Removed a reply to a deleted post. ISD Ezwal. You really should reread what I wrote. The Paradox
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 336	Posted - 2015.01.14 22:29:08 - [27] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Mr Omniblivion wrote: The sad thing is that CSM should actually be a huge tool for development, provided that qualified players were on it and not just random elects. Instead, each group of CSM elects pulls in their own direction and thus the CSM leads effectively nowhere except for small victories, like the "rookie channel" (??) It is painfully evident that CCP does not actually play their game at even half the capacity that their players do. This is demonstrated in repeated design decisions that are released and have tens or hundreds of players come constructively post how said idea is awful and needs to be changed (Like the original 5ly range max nerf on Jump Freighters? Are you kidding me?) It would be nice if qualified CSM members actually were able to work with CCP to jointly solve issues instead of CCP just using a development dartboard and presenting what they are going to do to the CSM. CCP has been getting on track the past multiple releases, but there is so much more potential to be had. You do relaze that all the CSM is is an advisory council right? they can't pull or push ccp into any direction it doesnlt wish to go. All they can do is bring to the attention of ccp our issues and desires. they can yell at ccp or argue all they want. but in the end of the day, ccp can tell them to go away. It doesn't matter WHO is on the csm, the organization is the same. CCP and CCP alone can decided to listen and take into account what the CSM gives them. The advantage to this, is you have a focused voice for the players, and a way for ccp to tell them stuff they don't want getting out, that the csm might already be able to say is a crappy idea, or work withen the confinds to get the info that its a crappy idea. But even then, ccp may still move ahead. They solve issues, but its CCP's world. And they can chose how to handle it. The Jump Fatigue was how ccp decided to respond to everyone whining about force projection. So the old adage goes, be careful what you ask for. And based on numbers, jump fatigue is working perfectly how intended. A better example would be the ESS which is never bloody used, and even the CSM told CCP it would never be bloody used (based on the discusstion forum) yet ccp made it anyway, and guess what... its never bloody used. In the words of the wise and intelligible Marlona Sky: Marlona Sky wrote: You really should reread what I wrote.
Marlona Sky Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 5857	Posted - 2015.01.14 23:57:52 - [28] - Quote DaReaper wrote: A better example would be the ESS which is never bloody used, and even the CSM told CCP it would never be bloody used (based on the discusstion forum) yet ccp made it anyway, and guess what... its never bloody used. It's not used very much because most people know it is anchored at a terrible anomaly. So what was intended to be a nice conflict driver was DOA because of that. All CCP has to do is not allow it to be placed in anomalies. Maybe not allow any form of instant payout either. But I would wait and see on that. The Paradox
Aryndel Vyst GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 909	Posted - 2015.01.15 00:05:04 - [29] - Quote Remember that one time you were really mad at goons and leaked TMC logs on failheap? But hey it's not loose lips unless it's attacking those dirty, rotten Goons though right?
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 336	Posted - 2015.01.15 00:05:21 - [30] - Quote ouch burn

Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 2312	Posted - 2015.01.15 00:23:58 - [31] - Quote I liked it. I also think that you should ask Leeloo why only seven of the fourteen members wrote. Anyone thinking of running in the upcoming election would be well served to read between the lines and know what they are getting into. Both the good and the bad. I am amazed at how many of the candidates are campaigin for the type of council that is a thing of the past or never existed at all. Read, research, learn, plan. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Hendrick Tallardar Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 337	Posted - 2015.01.15 02:37:32 - [32] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: there is some loose lips on the CSM. This is pretty ironic coming from you, who leaked a years worth of TMC's private jabber logs on FailHeapChallenge and then went on to act as though it wasn't your responsibility to scrub out people's mentioned and listed IRL info in said logs. EVE Online Weekly & Monthly Nullsec Recaps \| EVE 101 Tutorial Series
Arkady Romanov Hole Violence Whole Squid 565	Posted - 2015.01.15 02:41:50 - [33] - Quote You really should reread what I wrote. [/quote] I read many things that you write. Like this: Someone Named Marlona Sky wrote: You will not find private chat logs. These are only from the Jabber channel that everyone chatted in. To be frank, logs from this channel have been leaked to places for as long as it was started, but for the most part only to leadership type people of alliances or whatever. I really don't know who exactly, just that this is nothing ground breaking. The other thing is this does not cover every moment. Simply the times I was logged into Jabber. So we are talking US time zone and early Australian time zone for the week days and for the weekend the same thing along with late Euro time zone stuff. Of course thinking back I should have just let my PC run 24/7, but whatever. The other thing is I do not expect minds to be seriously blown away. There are some days were nothing is really happening. Boring days. Pretty much echoing what was going on in EVE that day. Also there might be a few days sprinkled in where I did not log into Jabber at all. I imagine there is most likely going to be some things in there that does not show me in the best light, but to go in and delete such things would be not just a lot of searching, but in a way water down the logs. I'm sure no one is going to be running up patting me on the back or cheering for me either. lol ... I also recognize when people cheerlead CCP to try to push their own person agenda or the agenda of their alliance dressed up as altruism and I'll keep calling you out on it. By all means; keep doing it. Just do the needful and be transparent about why you're doing it though. Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Marlona Sky Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 5858	Posted - 2015.01.15 02:44:04 - [34] - Quote Aryndel Vyst wrote: Remember that one time you were really mad at goons and leaked TMC logs on failheap? But hey it's not loose lips unless it's attacking those dirty, rotten Goons though right? I don't think it's appropriate to make your argument regarding loose lips, when there are situations that you have found yourself guilty of the same acts. It's hypocritical, and degrades your argument. Degrades? Not a chance! The Paradox
Sion Kumitomo GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 273	Posted - 2015.01.15 03:28:25 - [35] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: @Sion - The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs. Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. If you have evidence of this, I would be grateful if you'd pass it my way. Or probably even better, pass it to CCP. On twitter @siggonK
Xander Phoena Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 545	Posted - 2015.01.15 08:28:18 - [36] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: I liked it. I also think that you should ask Leeloo why only seven of the fourteen members wrote. Anyone thinking of running in the upcoming election would be well served to read between the lines and know what they are getting into. Both the good and the bad. I am amazed at how many of the candidates are campaigin for the type of council that is a thing of the past or never existed at all. Read, research, learn, plan. m So much this. Also Marlona, as Sion mentions, if you have evidence of CSM impropriety, it is your duty to get that evidence to CCP as soon as possible. www.crossingzebras.com

CCP Falcon 10274	Posted - 2015.01.15 10:21:09 - [37] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: @Sion - The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs. Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. Have something you want to tell us? If so, be a responsible adult and send us an email to [email protected] instead of crowing about it on the forums. If not, feel free to take your completely unsubstantiated rumors somewhere else, most likely to a third party bittervet forum for further discussion and conspiracy theory-crafting. We have rules against rumor mongering and ranting here, fyi. CCP Falcon \|\| Community Manager \|\| @CCP_Falcon Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3


CCP Leeloo C C P C C P Alliance 530	Posted - 2015.01.15 10:24:38 - [38] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: I liked it. I also think that you should ask Leeloo why only seven of the fourteen members wrote. I hope nobody thought that some parts of the blog were deleted here This was not an obligatory task for all 14 members of the council. Not everybody is a writer on the CSM as well. I think I am not the right person to ask why only seven wrote, my crystal ball is in repair CCP Leeloo \| CSM Coordinator \| @ccp_leeloo

Freelancer117 So you want to be a Hero 242	Posted - 2015.01.15 11:26:57 - [39] - Quote CCP Leeloo wrote: Mike Azariah wrote: I liked it. I also think that you should ask Leeloo why only seven of the fourteen members wrote. I hope nobody thought that some parts of the blog were deleted here This was not an obligatory task for all 14 members of the council. Not everybody is a writer on the CSM as well. I think I am not the right person to ask why only seven wrote, my crystal ball is in repair Since neither of you want to give any information about this subject maybe we should ask another Dear DJ Funkybacon, do you know why only seven of the fourteen members wrote in the devblog ? The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans. http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
corbexx eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred 1170	Posted - 2015.01.15 12:44:24 - [40] - Quote Freelancer117 wrote: CCP Leeloo wrote: Mike Azariah wrote: I liked it. I also think that you should ask Leeloo why only seven of the fourteen members wrote. I hope nobody thought that some parts of the blog were deleted here This was not an obligatory task for all 14 members of the council. Not everybody is a writer on the CSM as well. I think I am not the right person to ask why only seven wrote, my crystal ball is in repair Since neither of you want to give any information about this subject maybe we should ask another Dear DJ Funkybacon, do you know why only seven of the fourteen members wrote in the devblog ? some people are hardworking and active, others................................less so. Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better

Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 554	Posted - 2015.01.15 14:48:24 - [41] - Quote i put on my tinfoil robe and wizard hat
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3876	Posted - 2015.01.15 16:03:25 - [42] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: @Sion - The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs. Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. Have something you want to tell us? If so, be a responsible adult and send us an email to [email protected] instead of crowing about it on the forums. If not, feel free to take your completely unsubstantiated rumors somewhere else, most likely to a third party bittervet forum for further discussion and conspiracy theory-crafting. We have rules against rumor mongering and ranting here, fyi. This post is why we need multi-likes. Freelancer117 wrote: CCP Leeloo wrote: Mike Azariah wrote: I liked it. I also think that you should ask Leeloo why only seven of the fourteen members wrote. I hope nobody thought that some parts of the blog were deleted here This was not an obligatory task for all 14 members of the council. Not everybody is a writer on the CSM as well. I think I am not the right person to ask why only seven wrote, my crystal ball is in repair Since neither of you want to give any information about this subject maybe we should ask another Dear DJ Funkybacon, do you know why only seven of the fourteen members wrote in the devblog ? For my part, I burned out about halfway through this term due to real life and realistically if I wrote anything it'd just be "What Sion said." While being engaged is ultimately on me, the issues Sion speaks to have made it a struggle to want to. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Aiyshimin Shiva Furnace 330	Posted - 2015.01.15 16:54:20 - [43] - Quote Sion Kumimoto wrote: So that's what I've been doing. I spent the first half of my term trying to illuminate player psychology from my unique position, and I spent the rest of it trying to figure out how to get the CSM and CCP in a place where such input from myself and others on various topics wouldn't be summarily dismissed out of hand. What kind of player psychology, and what sort of unique position? The others wrote about tremendous amounts of stuff they've worked very hard on and accomplished, while you mostly just criticized somethingsomething. From outside, this makes your term look like a personal failure, and not really issues with the CSM as an organisation.
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 338	Posted - 2015.01.15 17:14:28 - [44] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: @Sion - The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs. Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. Have something you want to tell us? If so, be a responsible adult and send us an email to [email protected] instead of crowing about it on the forums. If not, feel free to take your completely unsubstantiated rumors somewhere else, most likely to a third party bittervet forum for further discussion and conspiracy theory-crafting. We have rules against rumor mongering and ranting here, fyi. Goddamn, you're my CCP hero.
Hendrick Tallardar Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 341	Posted - 2015.01.15 17:25:26 - [45] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: @Sion - The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs. Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. Have something you want to tell us? If so, be a responsible adult and send us an email to [email protected] instead of crowing about it on the forums. If not, feel free to take your completely unsubstantiated rumors somewhere else, most likely to a third party bittervet forum for further discussion and conspiracy theory-crafting. We have rules against rumor mongering and ranting here, fyi. This seems appropriate - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOYJhax5ssI EVE Online Weekly & Monthly Nullsec Recaps \| EVE 101 Tutorial Series
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 554	Posted - 2015.01.15 17:29:39 - [46] - Quote Hendrick Tallardar wrote: This seems appropriate - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOYJhax5ssI more like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_wEs9x7G3w
Alundil Isogen 5 835	Posted - 2015.01.15 18:43:09 - [47] - Quote Aryndel Vyst wrote: Remember that one time you were really mad at goons and leaked TMC logs on failheap? But hey it's not loose lips unless it's attacking those dirty, rotten Goons though right? I don't think it's appropriate to make your argument regarding loose lips, when there are situations that you have found yourself guilty of the same acts. It's hypocritical, and degrades your argument. It's equally funny/hypocritical to hear about "dirty so and so leaked logs that included PERSONAL information" when that complaint is lobbed from the "Home of Digi" Something, something cleaning your own house first something something ...ah the hypocrisy, SMH I'm right behind you
Marlona Sky Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 5863	Posted - 2015.01.15 19:53:44 - [48] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: @Sion - The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs. Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. Have something you want to tell us? If so, be a responsible adult and send us an email to [email protected] instead of crowing about it on the forums. If not, feel free to take your completely unsubstantiated rumors somewhere else, most likely to a third party bittervet forum for further discussion and conspiracy theory-crafting. We have rules against rumor mongering and ranting here, fyi. Ah you are right. I'll send the information I have and point out why it is obvious at least one CSM member is sharing information they shouldn't be. In the mean time I'll stop rocking the boat for you. The Paradox
Katrina Bekers Rim Collection RC Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 235	Posted - 2015.01.15 21:49:30 - [49] - Quote And yet not a single grateful word on Dolan and Xhagen, and their legacy - on top of which everything was built. A bit sad. The show must go on. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >>
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 2317	Posted - 2015.01.15 22:06:15 - [50] - Quote Katrina Bekers wrote: And yet not a single grateful word on Dolan and Xhagen, and their legacy - on top of which everything was built. A bit sad. The show must go on. We were asked about what went on this year. We also did not mention previous CSM people, many of whom helped the CSM grow and become what it is today. If you want a historical look at the CSM that could be done but that is not what this post was about. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9

Nolak Ataru Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC 584	Posted - 2015.01.15 22:39:25 - [51] - Quote Hey corebloodbrothers, what first-hand experience do you have with ISBoxer? Have you talked to any ISBoxers, smacktalk and crying in local nonwithstanding? Did you even attempt to integrate anti-bomber ships into your fleet doctrines, including defensive DIC/HICs? Never forget: CCP Seagull and other Devs LIED to everyone during Fanfest and EVE Vegas: "Multiboxers have nothing to worry about" and "Nothing's changing regarding multiboxing". If CCP is willing to lie about that, what's next?
Lolmer OMG-Ponies Caffeine Nicotine and Hate 124	Posted - 2015.01.15 23:38:58 - [52] - Quote Nolak Ataru wrote: Hey corebloodbrothers, what first-hand experience do you have with ISBoxer? Have you talked to any ISBoxers, smacktalk and crying in local nonwithstanding? Did you even attempt to integrate anti-bomber ships into your fleet doctrines, including defensive DIC/HICs? e: And Falcon, you're one to talk about acting like an adult after refusing to discuss this with the ISBoxer community before Jan1. -1 Here is an example of why we want a "Dislike" button. :)
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 140	Posted - 2015.01.16 00:58:40 - [53] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: @Sion - The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs. Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. Have something you want to tell us? If so, be a responsible adult and send us an email to [email protected] instead of crowing about it on the forums. If not, feel free to take your completely unsubstantiated rumors somewhere else, most likely to a third party bittervet forum for further discussion and conspiracy theory-crafting. We have rules against rumor mongering and ranting here, fyi. mr. falcon if someone were to post the past csm scandals it would only get blotted out cause you know you don't want the bad stuff out there. so to speak honestly about it would get completely censored.. both you and I and everyone knows it. your response was proper but also has a sting of guilt associated with it. im for a complete new CSM where they're not used as test mice or puppets and look to provide better for all of the game not just certain parts (cough cough null sec).. which seems to be the entirety of it lately only about null sec and the rest is blah.. I hope ccp can do a great job in retaining new players and expand and make the game balance and fair for all.. oops I said a bad word fair.. fair play is good right?? then rid the game of its issues and move onward into the future! good day to you falcon spread your wings or cloak up and dodge the trolls mate o7
Nolak Ataru Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC 584	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:53:13 - [54] - Quote Lolmer wrote: Nolak Ataru wrote: Hey corebloodbrothers, what first-hand experience do you have with ISBoxer? Have you talked to any ISBoxers, smacktalk and crying in local nonwithstanding? Did you even attempt to integrate anti-bomber ships into your fleet doctrines, including defensive DIC/HICs? e: And Falcon, you're one to talk about acting like an adult after refusing to discuss this with the ISBoxer community before Jan1. -1 Here is an example of why we want a "Dislike" button. :) Why, because I want to know whether or not a CSM has experience with something he vehemently attempted to remove from the game? Because I wanted to hold him to a higher standard than a scammer in Jita local? When CCP was changing the wormhole mechanics regarding spawn distance vs mass, we saw everyone and their mother who had not stepped foot inside a wormhole attempt to dictate changes to the wormhole community. (BTW Fozzie, where are those graphs you promised us?). Thankfully, they were ridiculed as they should be. If holding a CSM member to a higher standard than those... people... is a bad thing, then what's the point of a CSM? Never forget: CCP Seagull and other Devs LIED to everyone during Fanfest and EVE Vegas: "Multiboxers have nothing to worry about" and "Nothing's changing regarding multiboxing". If CCP is willing to lie about that, what's next?
Montgomery Black Awakened Ones 67	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:54:23 - [55] - Quote shout out to Corebexx The work you, the other wormhole reps and CCP did this year have made wormhole space a better place. The buffs to income in low class wormholes has had great benefits for activity in those wormhole classes. For me I now have more targets to shoot at. For PVE people there is now more income and a reason to live in low class holes. The Addition of faction Relic and Data sites to Wormhole space has seen many new players coming into wormhole space in their herons and asteros. Before new players generally avoided wormholes. anyway.. good job

CCP Leeloo C C P C C P Alliance 536	Posted - 2015.01.16 12:11:50 - [56] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: so to speak honestly about it would get completely censored.. I will repeat, in case you missed: CCP Falcon wrote: send us an email to [email protected]instead of crowing about it on the forums. CCP Leeloo \| CSM Coordinator \| @ccp_leeloo

Aiyshimin Shiva Furnace 335	Posted - 2015.01.16 13:14:41 - [57] - Quote Nolak Ataru wrote: Hey corebloodbrothers, what first-hand experience do you have with ISBoxer? Have you talked to any ISBoxers, smacktalk and crying in local nonwithstanding? Did you even attempt to integrate anti-bomber ships into your fleet doctrines, including defensive DIC/HICs? e: And Falcon, you're one to talk about acting like an adult after refusing to discuss this with the ISBoxer community before Jan1. Nobody negotiated with the macro miner "community" when they were banned Nobody negotiated with RMT "community" when they were banned Nobody negotiated with ISBotter "community" when replication was banned If it's bad for the game, it is and you happened to be part of the problem, when ban was the solution. Deal with it.
XeX Znndstrup Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2015.01.16 14:17:39 - [58] - Quote Stop to cry like children ! Whatever you would be proposed, it would be bad. Do you know a lot of game company proposing to vote for a customers council ? Do you know a lot of game company paying for summits so that this council may express our opinion ? Did you read a little the numerous threads where CCP ask for our opinion about changes ? Do you understand that it's not always possible to build and change everything for budget or conception reasons ? You want to propose changes for CSM ? Open a thread and let's talk. I didn't ask a lot to CSM members. But when i did, they answered (thanks Mike). They do this on their game time. The minimum is to respect their work. Thanks. About what i read in the blog : candidates should do like coreblood. Try to introduce yourself in your real life also. It's a good way to see how mature you could be to take in fact a real life position as CSM member. To be a hardcore gamer isn't the only best reason. "Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise. Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions. _The Law_channel
Laura Gosh Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.01.16 14:27:40 - [59] - Quote XeX Znndstrup wrote: Stop to cry like children ! Whatever you would be proposed, it would be bad. Do you know a lot of game company proposing to vote for a customers council ? Do you know a lot of game company paying for summits so that this council may express our opinion ? Did you read a little the numerous threads where CCP ask for our opinion about changes ? Do you understand that it's not always possible to build and change everything for budget or conception reasons ? You want to propose changes for CSM ? Open a thread and let's talk. I didn't ask a lot to CSM members. But when i did, they answered (thanks Mike). They do this on their game time. The minimum is to respect their work. Thanks. About what i read in the blog : candidates should do like coreblood. Try to introduce yourself in your real life also. It's a good way to see how mature you could be to take in fact a real life position as CSM member. To be a hardcore gamer isn't the only best reason. Easily one of the best posts in this thread so far CCP and the CSM do a fantastic job under alot of pressure, and for that I respect them. Keep up the good work guys o/
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3636	Posted - 2015.01.16 14:42:28 - [60] - Quote Houm... maybe I got the intent wrong, but wasn't that devblog like an attempt to "sell" the CSM to unaware readers/non-voters? If that was the intent, I think that it fails to do the job because it's too long. Anyone comitted enough to read it, will have a high chance of wanting to vote the CSM anyway, with or without devblog (FAI, I read it). But a interested yet uncomited prospect voter will flee in horror after he sees that there's a wall of text after the first one.. and then another... and another... Maybe I got it wrong and the devblog was targetted at the commited 31,000 voters from last year, so I apologyze if that's the case as it does a good job in letting us know why should we vote again. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar

Nolak Ataru Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC 584	Posted - 2015.01.16 16:52:15 - [61] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: Nolak Ataru wrote: Hey corebloodbrothers, what first-hand experience do you have with ISBoxer? Have you talked to any ISBoxers, smacktalk and crying in local nonwithstanding? Did you even attempt to integrate anti-bomber ships into your fleet doctrines, including defensive DIC/HICs? e: And Falcon, you're one to talk about acting like an adult after refusing to discuss this with the ISBoxer community before Jan1. Nobody negotiated with the macro miner "community" when they were banned Nobody negotiated with RMT "community" when they were banned Nobody negotiated with ISBotter "community" when replication was banned If it's bad for the game, it is and you happened to be part of the problem, when ban was the solution. Deal with it. Macros are and have always been a gray area, but I assume you mean the more complicated macros that no longer require human interaction. Those are and have always been against the EULA under the botting clause, and the accelerated gameplay clause. RMT is and has always been in violation of the EULA under the RMT clause and the clause regarding CCP's control over the game. Your pitiful attempt at wordplay aside, ISBoxer was not in violation of the EULA, 6A3, the macro clause, or the control clause, and that fact had been repeatedly reinforced by CCP and GM responses to the troll threads on the forums. Lax worked with CCP in order to remove as much chance and possibility of turning ISBoxer into a botting program. Now corebloodbrother comes along and makes claims that broadcasting was somehow in violation of the EULA, or that ISBoxer was some instant-win button with no counters, or that (and this is my favorite) it's somehow the sole cause of problems in the game. I want to know what qualifications and experience he has with the product in question, much as an average Joe would want to know how much experience the dude he'll be electing to Congress, or the presidency. Not even negotiation in the pure sense, but ISBoxers were willing to come to the table and discuss actual changes to the gameplay that would have a greater effect on their ability to box than the broadcast ban, which was recently laughed at by a video posted by Shadowandlight where he demonstrated a way to control a theoretically unlimited number of bombers that fell within the new EULA. And we're not even talking about how the boxing community was treated by CCP before the ban with reimbursements of ganked ships being handed out like condoms in a brothel, and then with CCP's refusal to talk to any ISBoxer seriously until after Jan1, even when they pointed out a dozen or more ways to attack ISBoxers with changes to gameplay mechanics (let alone fleet doctrines, EWAR, or ganks) that would have had a greater effect on ISBoxers.

CCP Leeloo C C P C C P Alliance 536	Posted - 2015.01.16 19:12:20 - [62] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Houm... maybe I got the intent wrong, but wasn't that devblog like an attempt to "sell" the CSM to unaware readers/non-voters? Not at all. Last time I checked the dev blog was called "CSM 9 - The Year In Review". Which, in my opinion describes the purpose of this blog :) CCP Leeloo \| CSM Coordinator \| @ccp_leeloo

Indahmawar Fazmarai 3636	Posted - 2015.01.16 20:04:46 - [63] - Quote CCP Leeloo wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Houm... maybe I got the intent wrong, but wasn't that devblog like an attempt to "sell" the CSM to unaware readers/non-voters? Not at all. Last time I checked the dev blog was called "CSM 9 - The Year In Review". Which, in my opinion describes the purpose of this blog :) Oh nice, then i'll wait for the actual efforts to get more people caring/involved/voting. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 15950	Posted - 2015.01.16 22:38:54 - [64] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: CCP Leeloo wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Houm... maybe I got the intent wrong, but wasn't that devblog like an attempt to "sell" the CSM to unaware readers/non-voters? Not at all. Last time I checked the dev blog was called "CSM 9 - The Year In Review". Which, in my opinion describes the purpose of this blog :) Oh nice, then i'll wait for the actual efforts to get more people caring/involved/voting. You put more energy into not caring about voting than most voters put into voting. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 15950	Posted - 2015.01.16 22:42:19 - [65] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: im for a complete new CSM where they're not used as test mice or puppets and look to provide better for all of the game not just certain parts (cough cough null sec).. which seems to be the entirety of it lately only about null sec and the rest is blah.. Whenever good quality "hi-sec" candidates run, they don't seem to have much trouble getting elected. CSM 9 seems to be 'mostly about null' because 0.0 is finally getting some attention after being almost wholly neglected between Dominion (2009) and Kronos (2014). "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Aiyshimin Shiva Furnace 350	Posted - 2015.01.17 10:12:33 - [66] - Quote Nolak Ataru wrote: Aiyshimin wrote: Nolak Ataru wrote: Hey corebloodbrothers, what first-hand experience do you have with ISBoxer? Have you talked to any ISBoxers, smacktalk and crying in local nonwithstanding? Did you even attempt to integrate anti-bomber ships into your fleet doctrines, including defensive DIC/HICs? e: And Falcon, you're one to talk about acting like an adult after refusing to discuss this with the ISBoxer community before Jan1. Nobody negotiated with the macro miner "community" when they were banned Nobody negotiated with RMT "community" when they were banned Nobody negotiated with ISBotter "community" when replication was banned If it's bad for the game, it is and you happened to be part of the problem, when ban was the solution. Deal with it. Macros are and have always been a gray area, but I assume you mean the more complicated macros that no longer require human interaction. Those are and have always been against the EULA under the botting clause, and the accelerated gameplay clause. RMT is and has always been in violation of the EULA under the RMT clause and the clause regarding CCP's control over the game. Your pitiful attempt at wordplay aside, ISBoxer was not in violation of the EULA, 6A3, the macro clause, or the control clause, and that fact had been repeatedly reinforced by CCP and GM responses to the troll threads on the forums. Lax worked with CCP in order to remove as much chance and possibility of turning ISBoxer into a botting program. Now corebloodbrother comes along and makes claims that broadcasting was somehow in violation of the EULA, or that ISBoxer was some instant-win button with no counters, or that (and this is my favorite) it's somehow the sole cause of problems in the game. I want to know what qualifications and experience he has with the product in question, much as an average Joe would want to know how much experience the dude he'll be electing to Congress, or the presidency. Not even negotiation in the pure sense, but ISBoxers were willing to come to the table and discuss actual changes to the gameplay that would have a greater effect on their ability to box than the broadcast ban, which was recently laughed at by a video posted by Shadowandlight where he demonstrated a way to control a theoretically unlimited number of bombers that fell within the new EULA. And we're not even talking about how the boxing community was treated by CCP before the ban with reimbursements of ganked ships being handed out like condoms in a brothel, and then with CCP's refusal to talk to any ISBoxer seriously until after Jan1, even when they pointed out a dozen or more ways to attack ISBoxers with changes to gameplay mechanics (let alone fleet doctrines, EWAR, or ganks) that would have had a greater effect on ISBoxers. Input broadcasting is currently treated equal to input automation and is bannable, if you are aware of a way to use a 3rd party program to simulate either behaviour, your duty is to report it. Your ISBotting habits garner no sympathy from the players nor the developers, so you are free to go bot in some other game.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3638	Posted - 2015.01.17 11:29:50 - [67] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: CCP Leeloo wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Houm... maybe I got the intent wrong, but wasn't that devblog like an attempt to "sell" the CSM to unaware readers/non-voters? Not at all. Last time I checked the dev blog was called "CSM 9 - The Year In Review". Which, in my opinion describes the purpose of this blog :) Oh nice, then i'll wait for the actual efforts to get more people caring/involved/voting. You put more energy into not caring about voting than most voters put into voting. Oh, I have that sllly agenda of mine about CCP stop preaching to the choir as first step into doing something for outlanders like me. The CSM election plays a role into getting more people who do as Sugar and corbexx and actually step out and reach to the player base in search of answers to questions nobody asked before. Like, "what do you think about avatar customization?" The day someone asks "why do carebears carebear in EVE?", the eye opening at CCP will be epic. Meanwhile, CCP will keep doing things like the structures poll, where a player can say "No, I don't use structures" and "no, I never used them" and "no, I will never use them" and the next question is "what is the most important gameplay element that should be improved" rather than "why oh WHY you don't use, never used and never will use structures?" Preaching to the choir is such a great way to improve attendance to the mass... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Nolak Ataru Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC 585	Posted - 2015.01.17 15:44:44 - [68] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: Nolak Ataru wrote: Aiyshimin wrote: Nolak Ataru wrote: Hey corebloodbrothers, what first-hand experience do you have with ISBoxer? Have you talked to any ISBoxers, smacktalk and crying in local nonwithstanding? Did you even attempt to integrate anti-bomber ships into your fleet doctrines, including defensive DIC/HICs? e: And Falcon, you're one to talk about acting like an adult after refusing to discuss this with the ISBoxer community before Jan1. Nobody negotiated with the macro miner "community" when they were banned Nobody negotiated with RMT "community" when they were banned Nobody negotiated with ISBotter "community" when replication was banned If it's bad for the game, it is and you happened to be part of the problem, when ban was the solution. Deal with it. Macros are and have always been a gray area, but I assume you mean the more complicated macros that no longer require human interaction. Those are and have always been against the EULA under the botting clause, and the accelerated gameplay clause. RMT is and has always been in violation of the EULA under the RMT clause and the clause regarding CCP's control over the game. Your pitiful attempt at wordplay aside, ISBoxer was not in violation of the EULA, 6A3, the macro clause, or the control clause, and that fact had been repeatedly reinforced by CCP and GM responses to the troll threads on the forums. Lax worked with CCP in order to remove as much chance and possibility of turning ISBoxer into a botting program. Now corebloodbrother comes along and makes claims that broadcasting was somehow in violation of the EULA, or that ISBoxer was some instant-win button with no counters, or that (and this is my favorite) it's somehow the sole cause of problems in the game. I want to know what qualifications and experience he has with the product in question, much as an average Joe would want to know how much experience the dude he'll be electing to Congress, or the presidency. Not even negotiation in the pure sense, but ISBoxers were willing to come to the table and discuss actual changes to the gameplay that would have a greater effect on their ability to box than the broadcast ban, which was recently laughed at by a video posted by Shadowandlight where he demonstrated a way to control a theoretically unlimited number of bombers that fell within the new EULA. And we're not even talking about how the boxing community was treated by CCP before the ban with reimbursements of ganked ships being handed out like condoms in a brothel, and then with CCP's refusal to talk to any ISBoxer seriously until after Jan1, even when they pointed out a dozen or more ways to attack ISBoxers with changes to gameplay mechanics (let alone fleet doctrines, EWAR, or ganks) that would have had a greater effect on ISBoxers. Input broadcasting is currently treated equal to input automation and is bannable, if you are aware of a way to use a 3rd party program to simulate either behaviour, your duty is to report it. Your ISBotting habits garner no sympathy from the players nor the developers, so you are free to go bot in some other game. You don't know what I'm saying, so I'll try to say it slower. ISBoxer. Is. Not. Banned. I couldn't give two hoots about some whiner in local who doesn't dare get a catalyst and do something in a player-built universe. Shadowandlight showed the EVE community a nice simple way around the broadcast ban, and there's at least a half-dozen other ways to circumvent the ban. I ask you to re-read the second paragraph as well.
Duckslayer Anatidae Rising FEARLESS. 46	Posted - 2015.01.17 16:50:25 - [69] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Have something you want to tell us? If so, be a responsible adult and send us an email to [email protected] instead of crowing about it on the forums. If not, feel free to take your completely unsubstantiated rumors somewhere else, most likely to a third party bittervet forum for further discussion and conspiracy theory-crafting. We have rules against rumor mongering and ranting here, fyi. Let us remember your last comments on unsubstantiated rumors, to give some balance to this discussion Responsible adult CCP Falcon says, about WOD studio closing "rumors" "This is nothing more than a rumor with no basis of fact. Hope that's enough of a confirmation for you guys. :) " Two days before the studio closes, which Community manager CCP Falcon later admits to knowing about when making this statement to the community. Cant even bring himself to mention the name Failheap. Fearless no more
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 15955	Posted - 2015.01.17 17:58:54 - [70] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Preaching to the choir is such a great way to improve attendance to the mass... So how do you feel that refusing to participate in the process to advance your interests in any way at all and just sitting in a corner complaining you never get anything you want is working out for you? From memory, you have been conducting your campaign of intensive sulking and this-time-I'm-qutting-forever-I-REALLY-MEAN-IT for... how long? 3 years now? Or is it 4? Let's review what you think are the greatest things you've achieved in this way, shall we? While you work on that list, I'll be re-reading the previous year's worth of patch notes that include industry reform, sov structures rebalancing, and of course the epic long distance travel changes. My oh my, I think I need an umbrella: it's just raining actual results on my poor little head. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"

Salem Aivo 0	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:34:48 - [71] - Quote CCP Leeloo wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: so to speak honestly about it would get completely censored.. I will repeat, in case you missed: CCP Falcon wrote: send us an email to [email protected]instead of crowing about it on the forums. I don't think his intention was to "crow about it", but was to explain that the issue most people have with mailing to a CCP address is that the general feeling is that it will get swept under the rug. If it's anything like every other report ever made, the reporter usually gets a message back saying "We're looking at it, honest" and then nothing happens. You can hardly blame people for having no faith that the correct process is followed behind the scenes when that is what happens. Personally I believe the CSM has run it's course. While there's little traceable evidence to rely on, many people get the feeling that things discussed in the CSM affect the decisions those people make, and with many of them being in significant positions within groups in the game, those decisions have huge effects. Whether they mean to or not, upcoming changes they discuss changes the way their groups play. Since the CSM also seem to be getting left out of the loop and questions from the community are still going unanswered, it leaves the question: what are they there for?
marly cortez Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance 65	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:25:39 - [72] - Quote A Vote for the CSM is in the view of a lot of players a wasted vote. Instead players should use the best version of the CSM they have and vote with there feet.
Katrina Bekers Rim Collection RC Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 236	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:06:15 - [73] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: Katrina Bekers wrote: And yet not a single grateful word on Dolan and Xhagen, and their legacy - on top of which everything was built. We were asked about what went on this year. Yes, Mike, you're right. Dolan left after fanfest, beginning of may 2014, a mere nine months ago. I think it could have been a good chance to thank him, in reviewing what happened this year. But that's me. And I still have tons of pics to send you. Shame on me. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >>
Xenuria Tackled In Belt xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx 984	Posted - 2015.02.01 16:41:37 - [74] - Quote jason hill wrote: meet the new team..... same as the old team Not if I have anything to say about it. CSM 10 Candidate
Michael Ruckert Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando 267	Posted - 2015.02.01 17:57:52 - [75] - Quote I read the blog in it's entirety. I thank each of the CSM members who did contribute for their well-written summaries, honesty and candor. I have a much better appreciation for the time and effort CSM members spend working with CCP and the player community. Each of you who worked so hard as volunteers can be proud of your achievements. o7! And a request to the CCP BIG BOSS. Give CCP Falcon a raise, a bonus, and a paid vacation to a warm, tropical environment. He deserves it! "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
Dave Stark 7343	Posted - 2015.02.01 20:34:04 - [76] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: we decided that CSM members should speak directly to you CCP Logibro wrote: With almost no edits made after reading about the slapfight on twitter between funkybacon, and leeloo, then seeing that... **** me, this is comedy gold.
BadAssMcKill ElitistOps 955	Posted - 2015.02.01 20:54:20 - [77] - Quote Just get rid of the CSM and crowdsource your ideas from Reddit
Azami Nevinyrall Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 2219	Posted - 2015.02.01 23:28:56 - [78] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: @Sion - The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs. Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. Have something you want to tell us? If so, be a responsible adult and send us an email to [email protected] instead of crowing about it on the forums. If not, feel free to take your completely unsubstantiated rumors somewhere else, most likely to a third party bittervet forum for further discussion and conspiracy theory-crafting. We have rules against rumor mongering and ranting here, fyi. I really should pay more attention to the forums, there's a bit of stuff going on between CCP and the CSM. grabs popcorn also, Bravo Falcon! Free internet like for you! ....and the only warning was the last line of the patch notes, which said. "Oh yeah, we also shuffled Moon Goo around!" Show your support, move Moon Goo with Power Projection changes!-á


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